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1 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL JULY 15, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00112079 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: OTHER APPEARANCES: NONE EFTA00112080 3 1 MR. This is Special Agent 2 Today is Thursday, July 15, 3 2021. The time is 2:15 p.m. My name is 4 I'm a Special Agent with the U.S. 5 Department of Justice Office of the Inspector 6 General New York Field Office. And these are 7 my credentials. This interview is with Federal 8 Bureau of Prisons Mr. Daniels. 9 MR. Hmph. 10 MR. And it is being conducted 11 as part of an official U.S. Department of 12 Justice Office of the Inspector General 13 investigation. Today is July 15, 2021. The 14 time is 2:16 p.m. The interview is being 15 conducted at Metropolitan Correctional Center 16 located at 150 Park Row. We are in the 17 executive assistant's office. Also present is 18 DOJ OIG Senior Special Agent 19 And the - also this interview will be recorded 20 by me, Special Agent Could 21 everyone please identify themselves for the 22 record and spell your last name. To start, 23 again I am Special Agent 24 25 MR. My name is Senior Special EFTA00112081 4 1 Agent 2 And these are my credentials. Okay. 3 MR. Mr. can you, if 4 you can, state your first and last name and 5 spell them both for the record. 6 MR. : My first name 7 And the last name ism 8 And my title is electronics 9 technician. 10 MR. So it'sillillffithout the 11 S. 12 MR. : Without the S. No S. 13 MR. : Okay. I apologize for 14 that. This is an official DOJ OIG 15 investigation into the death of Inmate Jeffrey 16 Epstein and the surrounding circumstances. You 17 are being asked to voluntarily provide answers 18 to our questions. Will you agree to a 19 voluntary interview? 20 MR. Yes. 21 MR. Please review DOJ OIG Form 22 3-26226-2. The form states, U.S. Department of 23 Justice Office of the Inspector General 24 Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested 25 to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. EFTA00112082 5 1 You are being asked to provide information as 2 part of an investigation being conducted by the 3 Office of the Inspector General. This 4 investigation is being conducted pursuant to 5 the Inspector General Act of 1978 as amended. 6 This investigation pertains to job performance 7 failure and security failure. I'm writing that 8 in here. 9 MR. And that doesn't' mean 10 your job performance failure. That means 11 that's what the investigation is involving. 12 MR. This is a voluntary 13 interview. Accordingly, you do not have to 14 answer any questions. No disciplinary action 15 will be taken against you if you choose not to 16 answer any questions. Any statement you 17 furnish may be used as evidence in any future 18 criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary 19 proceedings or both. The waiver states I 20 understand the warnings and assurances stated 21 above and I am willing to make a statement and 22 answer questions. No promises or threats have 23 been made to me. And no pressure or coercion 24 of any kind has been used against me. Please 25 review the form. And if you understand it, EFTA00112083 6 1 please sign where it says employee signature. 2 And print your name below it. Do you 3 understand the form? 4 MR. •: Yes. I understand the 5 form. 6 MR. : Okay. is 7 signing the form. All right. Special Agent 8 a is signing under line for signature of 9 the Office of Inspector General Special Agent. 10 MR. : And I'm Senior Special 11 Agent and I am signing as a 12 signature of witness and I will write the date 13 as July 15, 2021, and the time is 2:19 p.m. at 14 the MCC New York. 15 MR. Before starting the 16 interview, I would like to place you under 17 oath. can you please raise your 18 right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth and 19 nothing but the truth during this interview? 20 MR. Yes. 21 MR. During the interview if 22 you don't understand any of the questions I 23 ask, please ask me. Please let me know. I'll 24 rephrase it or I'll try to repeat it for you. 25 MR. Okay. EFTA00112084 7 1 MR. I want to clarify. This 2 interview is specifically regarding Inmate 3 Jeffrey Epstein on August 9th and 10th and the 4 circumstances that surround it. What is your 5 current home address? 6 MR. Uh 7 8 MR. What's your date of birth? 9 MR. IIIIIIIIIIIIIII Date of 10 birth is 11 MR. Your Social Security 12 number? 13 MR. Uh 14 MR. What is your current cell 15 phone number? 16 MR. Uh 17 MR. What is the highest level 18 of educa 19 MR. Uh some college. 20 MR. What college? 21 MR. Community college. Like a 22 first year. 23 MR. Do you know the name of 24 the college? 25 MR. La Guardia Community EFTA00112085 8 1 College. 2 MR. Okay. Is that in New 3 York City? 4 MR. Yes. 5 MR. 6 major you were -? 7 MR. Electrical engineer. And was there a specific 8 MR. Okay. What did you do 9 prior to working for the BOP? 10 mR. I worked at TSA. I was a 11 transportation security officer. 12 MR. Okay. And do you have any 13 military service? 14 MR. Yes. Four years. Active 15 duty from 2000 to 2004. United States Marine 16 Corps. I was a 2846 Regular Repairman. 17 MR. : And was it an honorable 18 discharge? 19 MR. Yes. 20 MR. How long have you served 21 with the Federal Bureau of Prisons? 22 MR Uh since March 24, 2013 to 23 present. 24 MR. March 24, 2013. And you 25 were working at TSA directly before this? EFTA00112086 9 1 MR. Yes. 2 MR. All right. What was your 3 Enter on Duty Date? 4 MR. To here is March 24, 2013 5 I believe. 6 MR. When did you graduate from 7 BOP training? 8 MR. don't know. That was 9 probably, I don't know. Probably the following 10 March. So maybe March of 2014. 11 MR. Okay. And were you with 12 the MCC the whole time? 13 MR. Uh no. I started off in 14 Brooklyn as a correctional officer from 2013 to 15 2015. And in 2015 to about 2017, I went to 16 Terre Haute. And that's when I became an 17 electronics technician. 18 MR. Where did you go? 19 MR. Uh Terre Haute, Indiana. 20 So Federal complex. 21 MR. Okay. 22 MR. Another prison. And 23 that's where I became an electronics technician 24 and I stayed there for about a year and a half. 25 Then I moved back to New York City. EFTA00112087 10 1 MR Did you come back to the 2 MCC? 3 MR MCC New York as an 4 electron' ' 'an. 5 MR. What year did you come 6 back to the MCC? 7 MR. : I believe four or five 8 years ago, so 2016 around that time - 2017. 9 MR. : Okay. 10 MR. : I'm not too sure of the 11 dates. 12 MR. And you've been here at 13 the MCC since then? 14 MR. Yes. I've been here since 15 then. 16 MR. And what was your - what's 17 your current position? 18 MR. Electronics technician. 19 MR. Okay. And what shift were 20 you on? 21 MR. Uh. 22 MR. Normally. What's your 23 normal? 24 MR. My normal day is 6:00 to 25 2:00. EFTA00112088 11 1 MR. 6:00 to 2:00? 2 MR. Day watch. 3 MR. Okay. 4 MR. Just before we go on. As 5 an electronics technician, when did you 6 actually become that? 7 MR. Um of 2015 - in March of 8 2015. 9 MR. And does that involve 10 like specialized training? 11 mR Uh yes. What the Bureau 12 gives you and my background because I did a - 13 before I started with the Bureau I had about 15 14 years in electronics with the military and 15 government contractor and in the private 16 sector. I did electronics for about 15 years 17 before. 18 MR. Okay. So what training 19 did you receive specifically in that field? 20 MR. IN the Bureau? Or -? 21 MR. Just overall. 22 MR. Oh. 23 MR. Since you said you only 24 did - you did college. I mean it doesn't' have 25 to be specifically. EFTA00112089 12 1 MR. Oh. 2 MR. I mean just like in 3 general. 4 MR. Well I could troubleshoot 5 certain cores at component level like a 6 starter. Use hand tools. 7 MR. So are you talking about 8 like on the job experience? 9 MR. Yes. Everything's pretty 10 much on the job. And then in the Marine Corps 11 I went for training for about a year in 12 electronics. 13 MR. Oh. So one electronic - 14 one year with the Marine Corps and then what 15 about with the BOP? Did they provide training? 16 MR. Um it's pretty much on the 17 job. 18 MR. Okay. 19 MR. I went to one telephone 20 school and that was about it. And a fire alarm 21 training. 22 MR. Okay. 23 MR. But everything is pretty 24 much on the job. 25 MR. Thank you. EFTA00112090 13 1 MR. Anything else on that? 2 MR. Hm-mm. 3 MR. On August 9, 2019, were 4 you working? 5 MR. Yeah. August 9th. That's 6 the Friday or the Saturday? 7 MR. Friday. 8 MR. Yes. 9 MR. And what was your position 10 on that day? 11 MR. Electronics Technician. 12 MR. What schedule were you on? 13 MR. I believe 6:00 to 2:00. 14 MR. 6:00 to 2:00 meaning 15 morning watch? 16 MR. 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. 17 That's day watch. Or - yeah. Day watch. 18 MR. Okay. And what does your 19 position entail? What's your daily duties? 20 MR. I just well I make sure 21 anything in the building as far as 22 communication is working. So the first thing 23 you do is check the phones, radios, telephones, 24 radios I said, make sure the cameras are 25 recording if they're working. And what ese. EFTA00112091 14 1 Anything communication-wise. If anybody's 2 having a problem, they usually get to me. Even 3 something as simple as a voice mail. They'll 4 say hey my machine isn't working and I go take 5 a look at it. And where somebody's computer is 6 not working. So. 7 MR. And since you mentioned 8 also daily when you come on the job at 6:00 9 a.m., you check to see if the phone, cameras, 10 everything is working? 11 MR. I don't have to check. 12 It's - there's no set standard or like okay you 13 should come in and check it. You just like 14 kind of look to see what's going on. You kind 15 of know what hasn't been working and what's 16 been working. You kind of make a checklist for 17 yourself. There's no set standard of what you 18 should do at that time. Now there is more stuff 19 that you do. Day to day. Where before there 20 was really no standard of okay you come in, you 21 start, and this is the first thing you've got 22 to go and do. And no. There was never 23 anything written down as far as what should be 24 done during your shift. 25 MR When did that change? EFTA00112092 15 1 MR. : After Epstein pretty much. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 MR. : Yeah. 4 MR. So that day when you came 5 in, do you recall - I know it's been two years. 6 Do you recall doing a checklist? Trying to see 7 if everything was working. 8 MR. I usually - because I 9 don't get a radio in the morning. I usually - 10 first thing I do is I call for the elevator so 11 I know the phones are working. 12 MR. Okay. 13 MR. And then I go downstairs, 14 turn on the radio, listen to radio traffic so I 15 know the radios are working. And as far as the 16 camera goes, I have - that time I had like the 17 old system that had a, I had a screen at my 18 desk. And make sure the um -. Because it went 19 to analog matrix. It's going to sound a little 20 confusing when I say analog matrix and digital 21 matrix because the old system we had was a 22 mixture of both. And kind of like the new 23 system too. It takes the old analog cameras 24 because we had a lot of old analog cameras. It 25 takes all of that. And then it transfers it to EFTA00112093 16 1 make it digital so you can start recording. 2 And that's how you - we'll get a video and look 3 back for video. But everything was analog. So 4 I would have the analog system in my office. 5 And I would pretty much look and see if that's 6 working. If that was working I know I was 7 pretty much good. 8 Ma= Now the analog - if - 9 before it was converted over to digital. 10 MR. Mm-hmm. 11 MR. How would the analog be 12 recorded? 13 MR. Um the analog -. I wasn't 14 here -. Well it's -. It's not really - well 15 it is converted. It's used - well they use the 16 encoder to take the analog signal and make it a 17 digital signal and put it on a recorder. 18 MR. Okay. And what was it 19 recorded on? 20 MR. The old hard drives. It 21 was two of them - two hard drives. 22 MR. Was it on a server or -? 23 MR. It was pretty much like a 24 server. Yeah. It was two computers pretty 25 much. EFTA00112094 17 1 MR. Okay. And once it was 2 recorded, do you remember checking the cameras 3 that day? Seeing if it was working? 4 MR. I checked them later in 5 the day. I went up to the video room. Because 6 we were having - the thing about this whole 7 process was when I came here, the first thing I 8 saw was the video room. And the biggest thing 9 was all the equipment in that room was out of 10 date. It was old. It was - I came from 11 another institution. Like I said before where 12 everything kind of wasn't modern but it was 13 more up to date than this. And so like the 14 camera system I had was maybe five to ten years 15 old. And when I came here, this one was over 16 ten years old and it was on 365 a day. Like 24 17 hours for the like the last 12 years. The 18 system was always on. And something as simple 19 as shutting down the time and change - because 20 you got to get recording times right. When the 21 seasons change, you would have to wait like a 22 whole day to shut down a recorder. It takes a 23 whole day for it to come back up after shutting 24 it down. And where I came from, that was not 25 the standard. Like it should be like an hour EFTA00112095 18 1 maybe thirty minutes. Maybe even ten minutes 2 if it's a newer system. You shouldn't even 3 have that much down time as far as the 4 recording. So one of the first things I did 5 when I came here was I addressed that - the 6 recorders needed to be upgraded. And -. 7 MR. Who did you address that 8 with? 9 MR.IIIIIIIIIk: Um my Facility Manager. I 10 talked to upper management. 11 But like during this whole time I was 12 doing -. I actually started the camera project 13 and that's why I was doing overtime around this 14 time. And we had people come from other 15 institutions. There was a camera project to 16 upgrade the cameras. Everybody's fear was the 17 actual cameras not the recording software of 18 the cameras. But I stated over and over again 19 the problem you're going to have is the 20 recorders. And we even had the new recorders. 21 They were in the warehouse. We have them 22 stockpiled. They was ordered. But we were on 23 the bottom of the list as far as install. So 24 even though we had the new equipment, we 25 weren't a priority to get anything installed. EFTA00112096 19 1 So we had to wait until something happened. 2 MR.-: And you said there was a - 3 you mentioned that to your Facilities Manager. 4 Who was that? 5 MR. When I first got here it 6 was (Phonetic Sp. *00:13:22) 7 and as a facility manager. I 8 think we were in between facility managers when 9 this happened because we didn't really have 10 anybody. 11 MR. So there was no one during 12 August 9th and 10th there was nobody? 13 MR. I'm not too sure if my new 14 facility manager took over at that time. But I 15 don't believe he was here. I think he came 16 after. He was here visiting but I don't think 17 he took the job. 18 MR. And you mentioned it to 19 upper management too? 20 MR Yeah. 21 MR Who in upper management 22 did you mention it to? 23 MR. My old AW - my Associate 24 Warden - still - he's no longer - he's returned 25 from the Bureau. EFTA00112097 20 1 MR. Who is the old AW? 2 MR. Associate Warden IIIII 3 (Phonetic Sp. *00:13:53). That was his last 4 name. I forgot the first name. But I 5 mentioned to him and of course I talked to the 6 wardens about it. 7 MR. Who was the warden at that 8 point? 9 MR. Um it was And 10 before it was 'lig' (Phonetic Sp. 11 *00:14:04). Because they wanted me like to add 12 more cameras and do upgrades. And I'm like, 13 well you've got to spend money because this 14 stuff is old. Like you can't just start adding 15 cameras to old systems. It's not going to 16 work. 17 MR. And you said there was as 18 project started around that time. Before 19 Epstein's death? 20 MR. Before Epstein's death. 21 Yeah. 22 MR. How far before? 23 MR. I would have to look at 24 documents. I'm not too sure. Me and pretty 25 much - we have an engineering tech - EFTA00112098 21 1 (Phonetic Sp. *00:14:25) - when we 2 started. Because we had problems with the 3 recorders before where we submitted paperwork 4 to the regional office saying hey the recorders 5 are going down. It's end of life. What can we 6 do to upgrade? What's the steps? And that's 7 why we got funded all the money that we got to 8 start the project. 9 MR. : Before Epstein's death, do 10 you recall what exactly the project entailed? 11 What were you guys upgrading? 12 MR. Uh we were trying to go 13 from analog cameras to IP cameras and trying to 14 upgrade the recorders. The recorders were like 15 the main thing. Upgrading the recording 16 system. 17 MR. But not the cameras 18 itself? 19 MR. Not the cameras itself. 20 Because they can still work. And they still 21 work now. 22 MR. Were majority of the 23 cameras working during that time? 24 MR. Yes. Pretty much all the 25 cameras were working. Maybe we had maybe ten EFTA00112099 22 1 probably that weren't working. But for the 2 majority all of the cameras were working. They 3 weren't being recorded - that was the problem. 4 MR. So the cameras were 5 working but it wasn't actually -- 6 MR. Recording yeah. 7 MR. -- recording into the -. 8 MR. Yes. 9 MR. Now think. I know it's 10 been two years. Do you recall which were the 11 ten cameras were that weren't working. 12 MR. M.: I have no idea. I would 13 have to look at that list there. 14 MR. How about during that time 15 in the SHU. Were the cameras working? 16 MR. Yes. The cameras in SHU 17 were working. They were recording. Well they 18 were working. They weren't recoding. But they 19 were working. 20 MR. So what is that? Explain 21 that to me. 22 MR. : Okay. So you like - if 23 so like I said. We had an analog system and a 24 digital system. The old system would never 25 show me like the recorders failed. Like if EFTA00112100 23 1 there was an error on the old software. Like I 2 would have to physically be in the room to say 3 hey. Because the room was upstairs on the 4 third floor. Which I didn't have access for. 5 You would have to go in the room and then you 6 go see like - because there's a redundant 7 drive. So you have like an A side and a B 8 side. And say if the A side isn't working, you 9 have one drive goes bad. That's not a problem. 10 As soon as the second drive goes bad, that's 11 when you run into problems. And after the 12 second drive runs into problems, that's when 13 you stop recording. And once that happens, you 14 have to take the drive out, and we have to 15 scrounge around for old drives and see if those 16 will work. During that time I actually - prior 17 to that I actually purchased maybe 24 drives to 18 actually redo a whole bay - like A or the B 19 side. I was actually going to do that. 20 MR. Did you know at that point 21 that SHU cameras weren't recording? 22 MR. At that point towards the 23 end of the day I did. I believe I did know at 24 the end of the day. 25 MR. On August 9th during the EFTA00112101 24 1 day? 2 MR. Yeah. And I called -- 3 MR. It wasn't the 10th? 4 MR. SigNet. That's my 5 point of contact. I usually - any time I have 6 a problem or something's not working because I 7 wasn't really familiar with the whole system. 8 I had like a newer system. It kind of worked 9 the same, as far as the software side goes, as 10 far like as like the hardware, it was 11 different. So I would always have to call them 12 for like tech support. Like okay I'm having a 13 problem today. Can you document it? You know 14 it builds our case when I have to submit stuff 15 to Regional Office. Me just saying it's not 16 going to work, that's not going to fly. And 17 usually they help me troubleshoot through the 18 whole process of what I should have to do - A, 19 B, C, okay take this drive out, put that drive 20 in. And like previously, probably six months 21 before that, we actually had a mother board - 22 which was my main computer - like go out. And 23 I had to actually replace that and they had to 24 walk me through it over the phone. I went to 25 scrounge round parts from another institution EFTA00112102 25 1 to get it working. I know I'm giving you like 2 a lot of stuff but -. 3 MR. So let's step back. So 4 you said the - it wasn't working. There was 5 possibly a work order already created. Right? 6 MR. 7 MR. 8 order? 9 MR. Yes. Possibly. Yes. Who approved the work Um that has to go through 10 my general foreman or facility manager. 11 Whoever's in charge. 12 MR. Do you think - do you 13 recall if this was before Epstein's death or 14 after? 15 MR. This was probably before 16 Epstein's death. There was a few work orders 17 before Epstein's death. 18 MR. And if these work orders - 19 . Are these work orders still maintained? A 20 copy anywhere? 21 MR._: They should be in the 22 facilities folder somewhere. 23 MR. : Who would have access to 24 it now? 25 MR. Um my facility manager, EFTA00112103 26 1 she'll know where they're at. And the 2 engineering tech would pretty much. Well I'm 3 not saying engineering tech. But the facility 4 manager should know if those records are kept 5 or they're maintained. 6 MR. And when this work order 7 was created, this work order specifically 8 addressed the fact that the SHU cameras weren't 9 recording? 10 MR. o. No. All of the 11 cameras. It's not going to just be SHU. It's 12 going to be all the cameras. 13 MR All the (Indiscernible 14 *00:18:28) cameras. 15 MR. : Yeah. 16 MR. : Okay. So at that point, 17 how come some cameras recorded? He said 18 there's redundancy. So there's either going to 19 -- 20 MR. A side and B side. 21 MR. -- A drive or B drive? 22 MR. Yeah. 23 MR. How come some recorded on 24 -? 25 MR. : Okay. Oh there's going to EFTA00112104 27 1 be another problem too. Okay. So there's an A 2 side and a B side. And it's supposed to be 3 redundant but it's not redundant because it's 4 not really redundant when one side goes bad so 5 it just knows to record channels. Let's say 6 one through 50 is on this side. And 51 through 7 100 is on this side. Everything is working. 8 It doesn't work. Okay. I can take over for 9 this one because it's not working. But as soon 10 as that one goes, I can kind of record over 11 here. As soon as the second drive goes, I have 12 to just record what I'm recording. I can't no 13 longer help out the other drives. 14 MR. Okay. So some channels 15 inside the SHU were recording on one drive? 16 MR. Yes. 17 MR. Some were on the other 18 drive? 19 MR. Yes. 20 MR. So the ones - which drive 21 was the one that stopped recording altogether? 22 MR. I believe it was the first 23 drive. So like the A side. Like the first. 24 Because the SHU cameras are on the first - 25 they're like the first 50-some cameras. Well EFTA00112105 28 1 not the whole 50 but they're on that side. In 2 this string. 3 MR. But some were also on the 4 B side? 5 MR. Yeah. On the B side. 6 Yeah. And that's just because they wired it 7 the way they wired it. 8 MR. Okay. I'm going to show 9 you a map of the SHU. I know this is kind of 10 old. I'm not sure if this is still exactly how 11 it is. 12 MR. You have the updated one 13 right in front of him. 14 MR. Updated one. Okay. I 15 kind of wanted you to mark off where the 16 cameras were (Indiscernible *00:19:47) right 17 here on the -- 18 MR. : Oh. 19 MR. : -- big one. So let's - 20 I'll give you both. 21 MR. : Oh that's fine. 22 MR. : See if - let's point it 23 over here. 24 MR Okay. So. 25 MR You recognize this? Where EFTA00112106 29 1 this is? 2 MR. Yes. That's the Special 3 Housing Unit. 4 MR. MM Is this -? How many 5 levels are there? 6 MR. L: There's an upper tier and 7 a bottom tier. 8 MR. MM .: The one you're looking at. 9 Is that the upper tier or lower tier? 10 MR. This is 9 South upper 11 tier. Yeah. 12 MR. Upper tier. Can you point 13 out -? Do you -? I know you were 14 MR. Approximately. I know 15 where all the cameras are. Okay. So at the 16 end of each tier there's a camera here. 17 MR. So which tier is that? 18 MR. Uh G tier. 19 MR. You said at the end of 20 each tier? 21 MR. Each tier. There's one 22 camera looking this way - looking to the front 23 of the grill. This is the grill. 24 MR. So G tier. J tier. 25 MR. J Tier. L Tier. And M EFTA00112107 30 1 should be. 2 MR. En And that camera. What 3 would it have shown? 4 MR. Um it would just show 5 whoever's coming on to the Tier to do rounds or 6 whatever they're doing on the Tier. 7 MR. EM Okay. And as per your 8 recollection, on August 9th, were those cameras 9 actually working? Running? 10 MR. The cameras were working. 11 The recording no. 12 MR. Okay. Where else in the 13 SHU are there cameras? 14 MR. Also there's one in the 15 common area I think. Oh the - let me see. 16 Okay. So you have one over here like looking 17 at the common area over here. And then you 18 have another two like looking this way. 19 MR. So you're pointing to the 20 right of L Tier? 21 MR. 22 MR. o the right of L Tier. Yes. 23 And that would oversee -? 24 MR. Like the common area this 25 way. Yeah. EFTA00112108 31 1 MR. And would that also -? 2 What's over here? 3 MR. That's the officer's 4 station. 5 MR. Use this and just have 6 him mark on there. So if you could, these 7 numbers don't match up but the tier - the 8 letters should be the same. So can you just -? 9 MR. Here. So this is L Tier. 10 MR. And can you just mark -? 11 MR. M Tier is the top tier. 12 So. 13 MR. Can you mark maybe like a 14 circle and then point like an arrow toward the 15 direction that it would be recording? 16 MR. Oh. 17 MR. That it would be viewing. 18 MR. Uh. 19 MR. And this is on August 9th 20 and 10th we're talking about. 21 MR. Just um. Okay. So. 22 MR. So if you said at the end 23 of each tier, just where they were actually 24 Just maybe you can put like a star or whatever 25 you decide to make for the camera. And then EFTA00112109 32 1 like an arrow pointing in the direction that 2 they would be recording. 3 MR. Okay. So (Indiscernible 4 *00:21:53). Second one (Indiscernible 5 *00:21:55). 6 MR. Keeping the (Indiscernible 7 *00:21:55) by arrow pointing in the direction. 8 MR. Yep. 9 MR. Okay. 10 MR. The common area. This is 11 H. And I believe they're on top of this tier. 12 There's a camera over here looking this way. 13 MR. Is that the upper tier or 14 lower tier? 15 MR. Uh upper tier. There's a 16 camera on the upper tier - on the outside of 17 the upper tier looking that way. 18 MR. Is that the one that's 19 like outside of 10 South? 20 MR. Yes. 21 MR. And -. 22 MR. Do you mind, on that 23 camera that you just said that's outside of 10 24 South. Can you just put 10 S there so we know 25 what you're talking about?" EFTA00112110 33 1 MR. 10 S. Um before you get 2 to 10 South, there's actually - that's the 3 camera that you guys probably saw the 4 recording. That's the 46 door. 5 MR. That's the one that you 6 just wrote 10 S next to? 7 MR. h no. It's actually -- 8 MR. Oh. 9 MR. - up the stair. There's 10 not one 11 MR. So that's not that one. 12 MR. 'eah. You can't put it on 13 the drawing because of where it's at. 14 MR. Okay. So the one that 15 you just drew actually - where is that in real 16 - relation to 10 South? 17 MR. Urn that would be like the 18 top of H Tier I believe. 19 MR Okay. So can you maybe - 20 hm. How are we going to differentiate the fact 21 that you said a different one is 10 S. Uh the 22 one that we have - that's recording? 23 MR. Oh. 24 MR. Can you write -- 25 MR. That's not 10 South then. EFTA00112111 34 1 MR. -- that? 2 MR. That's not 10 South. I 3 crossed it out. So that's going to be - so 4 let's say H Tier number one. And this will be 5 H Tier number two. And this would be K Tier 6 number one. And I'm not sure where the second 7 one is. I don't' think it's this one. I think 8 it's maybe this one on this side. That's one 9 I'm saying is K two. On this one. And this 10 will be M Tier number one. Looking that way. 11 And the - so this would be L Tier. One. Let 12 me get G on there. 13 MR. Where would the officers' 14 station be? 15 MR. Uh the officers' station 16 will be next to M Tier like right in this area. 17 MR. Can you put a box there? 18 MR. I believe it's right here. 19 MR. And put OS for Officers' 20 Station? 21 MR. Was there a camera pointed 22 directly at the officers' station? 23 MR. Yes. I believe there is 24 one out here in the common area. 25 MR. And this is on August 9th EFTA00112112 35 1 and 10th. Right? 2 MR. Yes. I'll just write uh 3 common area. And that's there. And for the 46 4 camera. Because it's not on the drawing, I'll 5 just write it up here. Top of 10 South. 6 MR. That's perfect. And 7 that's the one you're going to mark as 10 S? 8 MR. Yeah. Ten. 9 MR. And that's the one and 10 only that we have that was actually working? 11 MR. Yeah. That's the 46 door. 12 MR. Now where would the 13 entrance be? Where inmates are moved in and 14 out of the SHU? 15 MR. Uh that's the um - the 16 front entrance right here by the elevators. 17 MR. Was there a camera there? 18 MR. Uh no. There's only a 19 camera in the hallway. There was no cameras in 20 there when they're moving back and forth. 21 MR. If someone had to come in 22 and out of the SHU and control had to buzz 23 them, was there a way control buzzes who was -- 24 MR. Uh yeah. 25 MR. -- coming in and out? EFTA00112113 36 1 MR. The way that the doors 2 worked at that time was - because we changed 3 some of the cameras. But before control pops 4 the door, they pretty much acknowledge that -. 5 Well before - especially with 9 South. 9 South 6 is different because the officer has the key on 7 their hip to - there's an inner door inside 8 here. And they won't even - well they're not 9 supposed to - crack the outer door without 10 somebody in SHU calling for that door. So I 11 can't go up to 10 South - or 9 South - right 12 now and say hey, let me get the 27 door. 13 Somebody from SHU has to call for the 27 door. 14 Because the inner door they have the key before 15 you come inside of 9 South. 16 MR. But there was no cameras 17 at that point? 18 MR. No. There was a live 19 feed. There's always a live feed. 20 MR. But nothing recording? 21 MR. Nothing recording. I mean 22 the live feed goes to the control center. And 23 the control center officer sees who is at the 24 door. And they will pop the door. 25 MR. Where would that camera EFTA00112114 37 1 be? 2 MR. Um that camera would be 3 ... in the hallway. I think that camera was 4 looking this way. So 9 Sally. I just labeled 5 it 9 Sally. And it just like looks down this 6 way. 7 MR. Okay. So you pointed out 8 there's one on each tier. That would make it 9 six cameras. 10 MR. Yeah. 11 MR. There is one in the corner 12 -- 13 MR. In the corner. 14 MR. -- of H tier? 15 MR. Yeah I believe so. 16 MR. That would make it seven. 17 There's one in the corner of -. 18 MR. I'm not too sure about 19 that one. I think there's one in that corner. 20 But I know there's one definitely in the common 21 area. I know these two are definitely here. 22 That other one I'm not too sure about. Because 23 I don't remember seeing that. 24 MR. Okay. That's eight 25 cameras and then there's one in the Sally. EFTA00112115 38 1 MRS Yes. 2 MR And where's the 10 S 3 camera? 4 MR It's up here. 5 MR Okay. So nine cameras 6 total that you're aware of. That should have 7 been recording? 8 MR. Um. Recording, yes. All 9 the cameras were working though. Because you 10 could see. 11 MR. Where could you see it 12 from? 13 MR. Uh the live matrix. 14 MR. On a matrix? 15 MR. Yes. 16 MR. Who had access to the live 17 matrix? 18 MR. Um whoever would have a 19 keypad. Not a lot of people have access to 20 that. So like SIS would have it - at the time. 21 Um control center would have it. And um 22 lieutenant's office don't have it. So it's 23 SIS, SIA, I have access, and that's pretty much 24 about it. And then our command center. 25 MR. Is there something that EFTA00112116 39 1 they would have to key in to see? Or is it 2 just running? 3 MR. No. You would have to key 4 in the cameras to see the actual camera call 5 up. You have to call up and hit the button and 6 know what camera it is to call up. 7 MR. Did anyone like the SIS 8 office or even the control have like the 9 cameras - you know like the feed just running 10 on their screen at all times? 11 MR. Yeah. But they would have 12 to go through all the cameras. They usually 13 just - it just sits on one camera. It doesn't' 14 keep scrolling through all the cameras. 15 MR. : Okay. Do you have 16 anything on that? 17 MR. A lot. Yes. A lot. 18 MR. o ahead. 19 MR. Um. And maybe you 20 answered some of this and maybe just being a 21 layman I didn't understand. But so going back 22 to the beginning. How many cameras are in the 23 MCC? Or were there in August 9th and 10th? 24 MR. I would have to look 25 through those right now. EFTA00112117 40 1 MR Well approximately. 2 MR Old partner would always 3 tell me there's like 200. I probably think 4 like 150 if that. 5 MR. All right. 6 MR. I don't even think it was 7 150. 8 MR. And you said at the time 9 there were approximately ten that were not 10 working? 11 MR. Yes. 12 MR. What does that mean - 13 "not working"? 14 MR. It probably needs to get 15 re-, umm out of focus, just the video is 16 probably grainy - not the best video. 17 MR. Okay. 18 MR. Yeah. 19 MR. So they're on but they 20 were So differentiate for me, because you 21 said that there are cameras in the SHU were 22 working but they weren't recording. 23 MR. Uh-huh. 24 MR. So what's the difference 25 between working and not working when you're EFTA00112118 41 1 talking about that? 2 MR. Okay. So if you have a 3 camera working, you can see the video, but it's 4 not recording. That's a totally different 5 problem. 6 MR. Okay. So the ones that 7 you say that are not working. There's a 8 problem with what you're seeing. 9 MR Yeah. 10 MR But they are recording or 11 they're not recording? 12 MR It could possibly they could 13 be recording or can't be recording. 14 MR. All right. And then when 15 we just talked about the SHU. There's 16 approximately ten -- 17 MR. Ten, ten cameras. 18 MR. -- cameras in the SHU? 19 MR. Yeah. 20 MR. And the cameras in the 21 SHU. Only one out of ten was not re - only one 22 was recording? 23 MR. Only one. Yes. Because 24 it was on a different recorder at the time. 25 Yes. EFTA00112119 42 1 MR And on August 9th you 2 said that you knew some were not recording. Is 3 that what you were saying? 4 MR. I knew yeah something was 5 going on. I went up to the room and I was 6 about to change everything out and I didn't 7 have access. So I had to leave for the day. 8 MR. And that is on August 9 9th? 10 MR. August 9th. The end of 11 the day. 12 MR. And that was the very 13 first time you knew that they were not 14 recording? 15 MR. m. That day, yes. 16 MR. Okay. 17 MR. owards the end of the 18 day. 19 MR. And did you know all of 20 them were not recording at that time? Aside 21 from the one? 22 MR. 23 what wasn't recording on the recorder. 24 I don't know exactly. Which ones weren't 25 working. I just knew that a recorder was down. I didn't know exactly EFTA00112120 43 1 MR. And how did you know 2 that? 3 MR. As soon as I went in I saw 4 the drives. Because the drives, usually 5 they're green when everything is working and 6 amber like when there's an emergency or 7 something's wrong. And I saw that there was a 8 few ambers. So like it wasn't recording. Then 9 I called SigNet, the company. And they said I 10 have to start rebuilding. And what start 11 rebuilding means is I have to pull that hard 12 drive out and start putting fresh hard drives 13 in. And then the system knows like it put a 14 new hard drive in, it starts to sync up, and 15 does this thing where it starts to go through. 16 It does it all of its checks and starts 17 recording. And that would pretty much take a 18 day. 19 MR. That takes like a whole 20 day to do that? 21 MR. A day, yes. And I was at 22 the stage of pulling everything out. That was 23 probably going to take a couple days to pull 24 all the drives out and start recording again. 25 MR. And did you make that EFTA00112121 44 1 notification that the cameras in the SHU were 2 not recording to anyone? 3 MR. I believe I told my 4 supervis 5 MR. And who would have been 6 your supervisor at the time? 7 MR Uh - there was really - 8 like I don't think there was nobody here. 9 Because we were in like the middle of a project 10 and that was kind of chaos. So . 11 MR. Okay. Did you - but at 12 that time though you knew basically all the SHU 13 cameras were down but one. 14 MR. : No I didn't know anything 15 about the SHU cameras. 16 MR. No-no-no. I'm talking 17 about the SHU cameras specifically. 18 MR. No. I didn't - I don't 19 know what's on the recorders. At that time I 20 didn't know what was on the recorders. I just 21 knew -. 22 MR. All right. So when you 23 went in, you knew that some recorders - some 24 cameras weren't recording and you didn't know 25 which ones. EFTA00112122 45 1 MR. Ones, yeah. 2 MR. All right. So about how 3 many were amber where it was showing you that 4 they weren't recording? 5 MR. That was like half of 6 them. So I'll say 50 to 60 cameras are 7 probably not recording. 8 MR. : So there were a ton in 9 that 10 MR. Mm-hmm. In that slot that 11 weren't working. 12 MR. And is there anything 13 that - was that - that just all happened on 14 that one day on August 9th? 15 MR. It happened before. 16 Multiple times before. 17 MR. It had happened before. 18 MR. Before. Yes. 19 MR. So you have actually 20 troubleshot it in the past? 21 MR. Yes. Before yes. Same 22 problem. I have to rebuild drives and I mean 23 hey this isn't working. I've got to rebuild 24 the drive. There's really nothing I can do. I 25 just put the drive in and wait. EFTA00112123 46 1 MR. Okay. 2 MR. Make sure it comes back 3 up. 4 MR. So this was the end day 5 you said so around like 2:00 p.m. you're 6 thinking? 7 MR. Um. 1:00 something. 8 MR. One something? 9 MR. One something, yeah. 10 MR. All right. And then 11 being that it happened before, was there 12 anything that you're supposed to do if like 13 hey, I've got to notify like the captain -. 14 MR. There was no -. At my old 15 jail, I'm not trying to throw anybody under the 16 bus but at my old jail, if anything wasn't 17 working and I was the contact, I couldn't leave 18 the jail. Like if the fence - because we had a 19 fence system - or cameras aren't recording. I 20 would have to fix - stay there until okay, I 21 need a part. This is what we're doing. Send 22 notification. This place is run a lot 23 differently. And I've said stuff from before. 24 And my old supervisor, but just like oh go home 25 Daniel, don't worry about it. And I'm like EFTA00112124 47 1 well if I go home, nobody's going to fix it. 2 And at that time I was the only person that 3 knew what was going on. It was bad practice 4 when I got to this jail. 5 MR. So did someone tell you 6 not to fix it and to go home on August 9th? 7 MR. Um I'm not too sure. I 8 believe so. I'm not going to say yes or no 9 because I don't really remember that day too 10 much. 11 MR. : Were you -? 12 MR. : But I did make a 13 notification that it wasn't working. 14 MR. To who? 15 MR. And I was going to be back 16 the next day because I was doing overtime. 17 MR. All right. So you were 18 coming back on August 10th? 19 MR. Yeah. The next morning. 20 Because I came at 6:00 a.m. the next morning to 21 do overtime. 22 MR. and is that when you 23 were planning to fix it? 24 MR. Fix it yes. 25 MR. So you were going to EFTA00112125 48 1 start the next day and fix -. 2 MR. And I had the drive too at 3 that time. I do remember that. 4 MR. And you said you made the 5 notification. Who did you make the 6 notification to? 7 MR. To my supervisor. I don't 8 know exactly which supervisor it was but I know 9 I made a notification. 10 MR. So you're positive you 11 made it? 12 MR. Yes. 13 MR. And how would that 14 notification have been made? 15 MR. Probably verbally. 16 MR. Okay. 17 MR. Because it's not something 18 I would broadcast over the radio or like go on 19 a phone. I would like call you in a room 20 because I don't want anybody to know that. 21 MR. Okay. 22 MR. Can't record video. 23 That's not a good thing. 24 MR. And I apologize. I think 25 when I asked this question, I'm not exactly EFTA00112126 49 1 sure what you meant by this. But were you 2 supposed to advise somebody like the captain or 3 the warden that the cameras were down? 4 MR. Uh you -. Because the way 5 the recorders work, the cameras are the 6 captain's property. So you have to notify the 7 captain. Hey, the cameras aren't recording. 8 MR And was that your job to 9 notify him? 10 MR. No. I notified my 11 supervisor and they notify the captain. If I 12 see the captain, I'll say something to him or 13 I'll tell the lieutenants. But other than 14 that, I don't say anything about cameras being 15 down. 16 MR. Okay. So as far - so 17 you're positive you did notify your supervisor? 18 MR. Yes. I notified somebody. 19 Because they have to know because I told them I 20 was going to come back the next day. 21 MR. : You just don't know who 22 it was. 23 MR. I'm not too sure, no. I 24 don't want to say -. 25 MR. Is there ? How can we EFTA00112127 50 1 find out who would have been your supervisor at 2 that time? 3 MR. It's documented somewhere. 4 Whoever my supervisor at the time. 5 MR. All right. So that 6 person would have then been responsible to 7 notify someone such as the captain 8 MR. Captain. 9 MR. -- or the warden? 10 MR. Yes. 11 MR. Because if the captain 12 was out, or no, he did work on the 9th. Right? 13 MR. Mm-hmm. 14 MR. So that means that around 15 1:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m., if you notified your 16 supervisor -- 17 MR. Supervisor. 18 MR. -- that supervisor should 19 have then notified the captain. 20 MR. Yes. And then I got 21 approved for overtime for the next day. So 22 somebody knew I was coming back. 23 MR. Oh and is that 24 specifically why you were approved for 25 overtime? EFTA00112128 51 1 MR. Uh no I was coming back to 2 do the project. But they knew I had the drives 3 because I was going back and forth with my 4 computer service guy. Because he knows more 5 about hard drives than I do. So he was - we're 6 getting parts in. Why don't I just do this, 7 and I remember that part of the day. 8 MR. Now what would cause all 9 of those cameras to actually fail like that? 10 The recorders. 11 MR. Uh the recording. The 12 system was old. And it needed to be upgraded. 13 It was very old. 14 MR. Was it - could it have 15 anything to do with people tampering with the 16 system? 17 MR. No. 18 They can't tamper with it. You have to go 19 in a room it's behind a locked key - a photo 20 (Indiscernible *00:35:34) key in the door. 21 MR. So there's no reasons to 22 believe 23 MR. There's two doors too. 24 MR. -- that those cameras? 25 MR. Because you go thought the EFTA00112129 52 1 front door and then there's a secondary door to 2 go in the room. 3 MR. All right. So you said 4 the cameras are working and they're in this 5 room. Is anyone actually in that room looking 6 at the cameras? 7 MR. There used to be and 8 that's an SIS tech. I think maybe Tay was 9 there as the SIS tech for that day. 10 MR. Now when you're - so 11 would he have known that they weren't 12 recording? 13 MR. No. um his job is pretty 14 much to look at like the live feed and um maybe 15 look at the recording. But they do stuff a 16 little bit different here so I'm not too sure 17 exactly what his function was. 18 MR. iNow would they also have 19 seen this amber -? 20 MR. No. they don't go back in 21 the room. 22 MR So there's a different 23 room? 24 MR. : Yeah. It's a different 25 room altogether. They just look at the EFTA00112130 53 1 monitors in the room at the time. 2 MR. So by looking at the 3 monitor, would they be able to have known that 4 the cameras were down? 5 MR. No. As far as recording, 6 no. they would just have the live feed. 7 MR. Okay. 8 MR. And everything looks good. 9 MR. So for them they would 10 have no idea that there was actually -- 11 MR. Oh yeah a problem. 12 MR. : -- no SHU cameras -- 13 MR. Yeah. 14 MR. : -- weren't recording? 15 MR. And then the software too. 16 Even if you look at the software at the time, 17 it wasn't even telling you that there was a 18 problem. You would think it was actually 19 working. 20 MR Right. So to your 21 knowledge the only people that definitively 22 knew that the cameras were down were you and 23 your supervisor? 24 MR. The supervisor. Yes. 25 MR. And do you know if your EFTA00112131 54 1 supervisor actually made the notification to 2 anyone else? 3 MR. : I don't recall. I don't 4 know who you talk to. 5 MR. a: After the fact did you 6 ever find out if he did or didn't? 7 MR. I don't remember. There 8 was a lot going on. 9 MR. : Were you ever questioned 10 with regard to what happened with the cameras? 11 MR. Yes. 12 MR. : Who questioned you? 13 MR. Um oh the next day because 14 I was here. I had to talk to the warden about 15 what was going on with the cameras. 16 MR. And do you remember what 17 -? 18 MR. And then the FBI too. The 19 next day 20 MR. Okay. And otherwise he 21 was not present for that? 22 MR. The next day? 23 MR. : Yeah. 24 MR. No. There was nobody 25 here. EFTA00112132 55 1 MR. So you have spoken to 2 both the warden as well as the FBI with regard 3 to the camera situation? 4 MR. : The next day. Yes I did. 5 What was going on. 6 MR. : And did you -? 7 MR. And then I had to get in 8 contact with the vendor. And they had to 9 explain stuff to the FBI too. Because what I 10 was saying wasn't making any sense. 11 MR. They weren't following 12 what you were telling them? 13 MR. Yes. Because they just 14 sent like a regular field officer. They didn't 15 send anybody technical. So what I was saying 16 was kind of just a little bit overboard. And 17 dry. 18 MR. And possibly when you 19 were talking and I wasn't - maybe all these 20 questions were answered but I'm not sure. 21 MR. Yes. 22 MR. So that's why I'm trying 23 to put it into layman's terms. All right. So 24 it You said it happened before. Do you 25 know if it ever happened before whereas all but EFTA00112133 56 1 one camera in the SHU went down? 2 MR. I don't even know what 3 would have went down. 4 MR. : No? 5 MR. It would have been a whole 6 bunch of cameras not recording. 7 MR. At the time that you knew 8 that the approximately 50 to potentially 75 9 cameras weren't working, did you know what 10 cameras weren't' working? Or just that a lot 11 of cameras weren't working? 12 MR. Just a lot of cameras 13 weren't. And I wasn't going to sit there and 14 try to figure out what's -. 15 MR. Sure. 16 MR. Yeah. 17 MR. So when you're making 18 that notification to your supervisor, you're 19 just saying like hey half the cameras are down? 20 MR. : Was down. Yeah. You've 21 got to decide what you're going to do. 22 MR. Okay. And they, at that 23 time, said don't worry about it. Go home. You 24 can fix it tomorrow? 25 MR. That was the standard EFTA00112134 57 1 practice. So I believe it went along those 2 lines. 3 MR. Okay. 4 MR. Yeah. 5 MR. And you said at another 6 institution that would have never -. 7 MR. That would never fly. No. 8 No. Can't have that. You've got to fix it. 9 If it's not working then you have to stay. 10 MR. No do you believe that 11 you should have had to have stayed? 12 MR. Yes. I believe so. 13 MR. And did you request to 14 stay to fix it? 15 MR. Um. I think I did but I 16 think I pretty much made a notification but 17 since I was going to be back the next day, it 18 didn't make sense for me to stay. Because 19 there was really nothing I could fix that day 20 anyway. Even if - and I think I - before I 21 left, the two drives that were bad, I started 22 replacing them. I think I might have taken 23 them out to let them start rebuilding. 24 MR. Okay. So was there 25 anyone in the SHU that could have known that EFTA00112135 58 1 those cameras were down? 2 MR. No. 3 MR. No? 4 MR. Because I don't talk to 5 anybody in custody as far as the cameras go 6 out. That's why I go directly to my 7 supervisor. 8 MR. So the fact that - you 9 know, Epstein, you're most notorious 10 MR. Mm-hmm. 11 MR. -- inmate at that time 12 is, you know, dies the night that the cameras 13 are down. Is there any - reasonably if there's 14 any kind of - is there any suspicion 15 surrounding the circumstances? 16 MR. No. It was just whatever 17 happened - happened. It was really no 18 tampering with the devices or somebody turned 19 off the power or -. No. 20 MR. So to you it's just 21 completely coincidental? 22 MR. Just coincidental. 23 MR. All right. And again you 24 said that no one could have tampered with those 25 cameras to made them go down? EFTA00112136 59 1 MR. ■ 2 MR. 3 one could have? 4 MR. Yes. That's correct? That no No one could have. No. 5 MR. : Okay. All right. 6 MR. And because - another 7 thing about the cameras too they're - the way 8 the SHU cameras are they're - the power supply 9 is for the old analog cameras are in a - one of 10 my closets. You would have to go in there, 11 kill the power, and then go into mess with the 12 recorder. Like it's too much stuff to try to - 13 one person to think about trying to tamper with 14 it. It's just a lot. 15 MR. Okay. 16 MR. And like as soon as I put 17 in the new recorders, all the cameras came up. 18 So the cameras weren't tampered with at all. 19 MR. Right. The cameras 20 themselves. But what about that room that you 21 said that's where you fix them at. Who had 22 access to that room? 23 MR. I would have -. It would 24 be SIS because that was their room. At that 25 time, I really didn't have access. And that EFTA00112137 60 1 was part of the problem too. Because they were 2 leaving for the day and I didn't' have access 3 to the room. I didn't have a key at that time 4 to go in the room. 5 MR. Okay. So. 6 MR. Because it's their 7 property room also. 8 MR. But you went in to be 9 able to see that they weren't recording? 10 MR. Yeah. Because somebody 11 was in the room. SIS was upstairs. Yes. 12 MR. So SIS allowed you in the 13 room? 14 MR. Yes. 15 MR. Were they in the room at 16 the time 17 MR. ah. I usually just go in 18 the back room y myself. I don't -. 19 MR And then you just ask 20 them if they can go in? Or is it - what do you 21 mean? There's like an SIS office and then 22 there's a room within the SIS office. 23 MR. The SIS office. Yeah. 24 They have the main room but then it has a video 25 room and behind the video room, that's where EFTA00112138 61 1 the recorders are. 2 MR. Okay. So is that room 3 that you're talking about where the recorders 4 are - is that also secured? 5 MR. Yes. 6 MR. Or is it just -? 7 MR. It's secured. Yes. 8 MR. So there's the SIS room 9 that's secured. And then there's also the TV 10 monitor room that's also secured? 11 MR. Yes. 12 MR. Where the recordings? So 13 did you have access to the -? Who would have 14 had access I guess to the - where the 15 recordings would have been stored? 16 MR. I guess anybody in SIS 17 with a key for SIS. 18 MR. But only SIS? 19 MR. Yes. Only SIS. 20 MR. All right. Is there any 21 reason to believe anyone in SIS could have 22 manipulated those - that system? Or taken the 23 cameras? 24 MR. You'd have to know what 25 you're doing and I would kind of know if EFTA00112139 62 1 somebody messed with it. It's not really 2 something you go in there and start 3 disconnecting. Like the only way to really do 4 anything in that room is to start disconnecting 5 stuff. And it's a spaghetti mess. 6 MR. Okay. 7 MR. Starting to disconnect the 8 stuff is not going to - it's going to be 9 tampered with, and you'll see somebody did 10 something. 11 MR. Is there anyone other 12 than SIS who could have gotten into there? 13 MR. I don't believe so. No. 14 MR. Does the captain, AWs, 15 and the warden have access to that room? 16 MR. They don't probably even 17 know anything that goes on in that room. The 18 only time I will tell them is like to do 19 maintenance. I'll complain and show them the 20 room. Hey, you've got to clean this up or -. 21 MR. : But do they have access? 22 Can they get into the room? 23 MR. Uh they would have to get 24 24 hour keys from SIS or somebody would have to 25 give them access to get into that room. EFTA00112140 63 1 MR. : But only SIS has it? 2 MR. From what I know, yes. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MR. Only SIS can get in that 5 room. 6 MR. : Okay. 7 MR. Why did you happen to go 8 in that room that day? 9 MR. I don't know. I just make 10 rounds and I do stuff. Somebody said something 11 to me or I was thinking about it. Because I 12 think I ordered the drive and I just wanted to 13 see where I was at to see what I was going to 14 get started on. And plus we were doing a 15 camera project, so I was just trying to get a 16 lot of things like organized and see where we 17 were at. And what I was actually going to do. 18 MR. So I have to ask as part 19 of it. Did you happen to stop doing upgrade 20 work on it, unplug, or take down the 21 redundancy, or anything that worked -- 22 MR. No. 23 MR. -- that happened to stop 24 working at that point? 25 MR. No. I just - it - because EFTA00112141 64 1 we were having problems from before. And the 2 problem just happened again. Like just 3 coincidence. 4 MR. And nothing to do with the 5 work you were oing on it? 6 MR. No. Because I didn't 7 touch the recorders. 8 MR. So not just the work you 9 were doing on it. Did anything you do cause 10 the cameras to go down? 11 MR. No. Not that day. No. 12 MR. Okay. In the past it had 13 though? 14 MR. If I'm messing with a 15 recorder, it can throw some stuff off. Or if 16 I'm - yeah - moving drives around - that's why 17 I don't have to notify. Hey, the drives are 18 bad. Because if I start moving stuff, I don't 19 know what's going to go down or not work or -. 20 Yeah. 21 MR Okay. 22 MR The system is very old. 23 MR But that day on August 24 9th when all the SHU cameras went down, that 25 had nothing to do with you? It was just EFTA00112142 65 1 2 3 4 coincidental that they went down? MR. As far as the recording, yes. MR. Okay. So when you 5 specified as far as the recording, can you tell 6 me why you said that? Is there anything else? 7 MR. Because people believe 8 that when cameras don't work, like the camera's 9 not working. The camera could be throwing out 10 video because the live feed - like I said - 11 goes to the control center. They see the live 12 video when they're popping the door. So 13 there's live video going - getting fed. It's 14 just the digital side of it. The recording 15 side is not working. 16 MR. Okay. 17 18 MR. the back Was there a camera towards 19 MR. What back room? 20 MR. Is there a camera in the 21 SIS offi • 22 MR. Uh no. Now there is. 23 There's a camera going towards SIS. But before 24 there was no camera. It would just be the 25 third floor - 3 Sally is someone was going in EFTA00112143 66 1 that general direction. But you can't even 2 make out who's going by there - the video room. 3 MR. Was there anyway to know 4 who went in and out of that room? 5 MR. No. 6 MR. There's a key entry or -? 7 MR. No. 8 MR. : Two follow-up questions. 9 One, has Is pro ble been rectified? 10 MR. Yes. 11 MR. : And when was that 12 rectified 13 MR. Uh whenever they came and 14 did a walkaround. We added cameras like to the 15 SIS room. Of course we upgraded our recorders 16 but there's cameras to see who goes in that 17 general area. Like if you go in the room, 18 you'll see who's going in the recording room. 19 MR. And was that like a year 20 or two ago? Or how long after the August 9th 21 incident? 22 MR. That's probably like a 23 year after that. Because we were doing a lot 24 of other stuff before that. 25 MR. So in sometime in like EFTA00112144 67 1 2020, have the cameras gone down since then? 2 MR. Mm. 3 MR. And when I say the 4 cameras, I mean the recordings. 5 MR. When I have to do 6 maintenance. I have to notify somebody like 7 the cameras are going to go down. They make 8 sure the jail is locked down and -. 9 MR. : Only intentionally? 10 MR. Yes. 11 MR. : They've never gone down - 12 . 13 MR. Oh. We've had um - uh - 14 see I can't really say that because we've had 15 issues because we're putting in IP cameras. 16 Where - the IP cameras are like little 17 computers. And they overload the system 18 sometimes when the software isn't right. So it 19 bogs down the system. And we've had problems 20 where the recording stops, but we have a 21 redundant recorder but not all the cameras 22 would go down per se. 23 MR. Okay. 24 MR. And the reason I'm saying 25 that also is because a lot of the cameras - EFTA00112145 68 1 it's like a mix and match of old cameras and 2 new cameras - analog cameras and like more 3 computer-based cameras - IP cameras. So right 4 now when the system fails the old analog 5 cameras for the most part are going to work. 6 The problems are going to be the newer cameras 7 on the tiers. The older cameras would always 8 pretty much be recording. If we ever had an 9 issue. 10 MR. : Okay. 11 MR. And we've had a few 12 issues. Yes. But they're usually with the 13 newer cameras not with the older ones. 14 MR. Interesting. Okay. And 15 as far as - just to make sure we are clear - 16 which of the cameras in the SHU actually were 17 recording on -. 18 MR. Uh the 46-door camera. 19 MR. And that's the one 20 outside of 10 South? 21 MR. Yes. That's - and the 22 only reason I know that is because the first 23 day they came, they were looking for video. 24 There was no video. And they were like, you've 25 got to find video. EFTA00112146 69 1 MR. : Who is "they"? 2 MR. Um FBI. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MR. And then um so I stayed 5 later the day and the night and I was trying to 6 look to see what was recording. And that's 7 when I figured out that the 46-door was 8 actually recording on 10 South. 9 MR. The 9th or the 10th? 10 MR. Um. 11 MR. The 10th is the day that 12 he was found. 13 MR. I think it was in that 14 morning the next day. When I came in first 15 thing in the morning. 16 MR. So on Saturday it looks 17 like? 18 MR. Saturday. Yeah. 19 MR. Now -. 20 MR. Because I had to think 21 about what was going on. And also during that 22 day they made me move over - the cameras that 23 were recording - put them on different 24 recorders. It was like a mess. 25 MR. Now were there any EFTA00112147 70 1 cameras, recordings, or hard drives or anything 2 that were sent to try to have the recordings 3 recovered? 4 MR. Uh well the whole thing 5 with everything not recording that day was the 6 way the system works. And we want to work with 7 the vendor and FBI because they had to talk to 8 - the way the system works is if the two drives 9 are bad it's not going to start recording 10 video. It's not going to go on a different 11 drive were you're going to see bits and pieces 12 of video from that day. You might see old 13 video. But as far as new video from that day, 14 whenever it went bad, you're not going to see 15 any video. 16 MR. So we had received 17 information saying that video was attempted to 18 be recovered by the FBI. 19 MR. Yeah. 20 MR. What is meant by that? 21 MR. They've got other stuff 22 that they could probably do but, yeah, nothing. 23 MR. But did they obtain 24 anything? Any hard drives or -? 25 MR. They took all the hard EFTA00112148 71 1 drives. They took everything. They took the 2 whole recorder - the whole recoding system. 3 They took the next day. 4 MR. But there's no way it was 5 recorded - it was So if they say it was 6 corrupt and it was unable to be retrieved, what 7 does that mean in layman's terms? 8 MR. There's no video. It's 9 probably garbage. Just yeah. 10 MR. 1 But there's nothing. 11 Does that just mean that there's no recording? 12 Why would they use the word "corrupt"? 13 MR. Because it's pretty much - 14 you know, a computer is like one to zero. So 15 probably when they finally get to that they 16 couldn't retrieve anything. Nothing like you 17 could see or make tangible. Like no real 18 video. 19 MR. See that's two different 20 things. Right? It's not like they didn't 21 retrieve anything. That just means they found 22 the file. They just couldn't open it. 23 They can't see it. Yes. 24 That means something 25 recorded. EFTA00112149 72 1 MR. Not necessarily. It 2 could be garbage. Garbage can record and you 3 think that's a good thing but it is not a good 4 thing. It says it was recording. That's why I 5 say that when a camera is bad or good, like I 6 can have a camera that just looking at this and 7 you're saying okay it's good but it's not 8 looking at the whole room. This is nothing. 9 This is garbage. It doesn't. The camera just 10 knows it's working until I fix it and then it 11 records the whole room. Then you know it's 12 working. 13 MR. When you went in on the 14 10th to take a look at the video, did you 15 actually see the recording files? Or did you 16 not see any files at all? 17 MR. I just know the drives 18 were bad. And I think I tried to -. Yeah 19 because they're like ex'd out when they're not 20 working. So you're not going to see any 21 recording files. You'll see the live video but 22 you won't see anything recording. 23 MR. So you use the software? 24 MR. Yes. 25 MR. To try to open the files. EFTA00112150 73 1 MR. Yeah. 2 MR. But you didn't actually go 3 in and try to find the actual base files for 4 the recording from that night? 5 MR. No. 6 MR. Okay. 7 MR. So was the cameras 8 connected to a network? 9 MR. Yes. 10 MR. Who had access to the 11 network? 12 MR. Mainly whoever had a 13 password to look at the Nice Vision. Usually I 14 give out the passwords or a, computer services. 15 MR. At that point who had 16 access? 17 MR. Oh um. I think most of 18 the lieutenants had access. The warden had 19 access. SIS had access. I had access. And I 20 believe computer services. And maybe a few 21 staff members here and there. But they just 22 looked at live video - nothing recorded or 23 (Indiscernible *00:50:08) video. 24 MR. SO that was my next 25 question. Could they have done anything when EFTA00112151 74 1 they logged in to manipulate the -? 2 MR. No. You can't stop the -. 3 The newer system you can. The old system you 4 pretty much have to go in there and manually do 5 it. Like you can't just -. You would have to 6 go on the recorders and -. Yeah. I don't 7 think anybody here knew - knows how to do that. 8 Did anyone outside the 9 institution have access? Like because it was 10 on the network, does like someone at the 11 central office or anyone have access to or no? 12 MR. From what they told me 13 there's no back doors to it. So. 14 MR. So it was a closed 15 network? 16 MR. Closed. Yeah. Closed. 17 Yeah. In house thing. 18 MR. Do you know if any 19 situations about, came up in the past where it 20 required that someone in the central office 21 needed to log in to see the video? And they 22 were able to do it remotely? 23 MR. Nah. I don't know if the 24 old system. The new system you can do that. 25 The old system. I'm not sure. I don't believe EFTA00112152 75 1 anybody from the region or anybody saw video on 2 the old system. 3 As far as when you left 4 on August 9th. You knew that a number of 5 cameras were down. When you came back on 6 August 10th, do you know if it was the same 7 cameras that were down? 8 MR. Yes. It was the same area 9 cameras that were down. It's the same 10 recorder. Just -. 11 MR. So there weren't 12 additional cameras that were down? 13 MR. No. That would go down 14 and come back up. No. 15 MR. MATULEWICZ: All right. So when you 16 left on August 9th, it stopped recording. No 17 additional cameras went down -- 18 MR. 19 MR. -- between August 9th and 20 August 10th when you returned. 21 MR. Yes. 22 MR. All right. And did you - 23 do you know if anyone had any access to those 24 cameras from 6:00 a.m. to let's say 10:00 a.m. 25 on August 10th? EFTA00112153 76 1 MR. Well I left probably 2:00 2 that afternoon. I don't believe there's 3 anybody that would have to go in that room to 4 do anything. 5 MR. Were you in that room 6 almost the whole time? 7 MR Yes. 8 MR Do you know of anybody 9 else that went into that room? 10 MR. Um just the SIS tech that 11 was there. But he doesn't go in the back room. 12 He usually just goes in the front room. 13 MR. Okay. 14 MR. And when he leaves that's 15 pretty much it. I don't - there's no reason 16 for anybody to go in the back room. 17 MR. All right. So -. 18 MR. It's their evidence room 19 too so they kind of don't let just anybody - 20 just walk back there. 21 MR. After the incident were 22 you the first person back there? 23 MR. Um yeah. I believe so 24 yes. And nothing looked tampered with. It all 25 looked like the day I had left it - it looked EFTA00112154 77 1 the same way. 2 MR. And it's SIS tech, that 3 was back there, his name is Tay? 4 MR. Tay. Yeah. I believe 5 it's Tay. 6 MR. Can you spell that? 7 MR. T-A-Y. He's retired now. 8 MR. Oh, okay. 9 MR. T-A-Y? 10 MR. Yeah. 11 MR. The only camera that you 12 said that was over that door in the SHU when 13 you viewed it. Was it grainy or what it a good 14 view? 15 MR. Eh. I look at the cameras 16 enough I can make out something. Most people 17 would say it was grainy. But you can make out 18 enough to see if anything was going on. 19 MR Okay. I've got nothing 20 more on that line. 21 MR. Nope. (Indiscernible 22 *00:52:52) 23 MR. Okay. Now on July 23rd. 24 MR. July 23rd. That's before? 25 MR. No sorry. I take it back. EFTA00112155 78 1 MR. Okay. 2 MR. Talk about the phones 3 now. 4 MR. Okay. As part of your 5 job. 6 MR. Yeah. 7 MR. Right. Do you maintain 8 the phones in the system? 9 MR. Yes I do. The phone 10 switch or the PBX. I maintain it. 11 MR. As part - do you recall 12 after this incident. What's the = was a 13 preservation done off the phone recordings in 14 the -? 15 MR. I believe my warden at the 16 time asked me to look up to see who um was 17 making phone calls or who possibly in SHU was 18 getting phone calls that night. And I did find 19 something. 20 MR. This is Warden N'Diaye? 21 MR. N'Diaye. Yes. 22 MR. And you did find 23 somethin 24 MR. 25 MR. • Yes. What did you find? EFTA00112156 79 1 MR. It was a phone call on the 2 tier that they believe Epstein was taking a 3 shower. Because he - I guess he got a shower 4 and somebody gave him a phone call. I believe 5 they found the phone call. That's what I 6 believe. I'm not too sure who did what but. 7 There was a phone call made. 8 MR. Did you provide a copy of 9 that over 10 MR. Yes. 11 MR. -- to the DOJ? 12 MR. No. I gave it to my 13 actual supervisor. The warden. 14 MR. Was that a recorded call? 15 MR. No. it was just a log to 16 see how long the call was. Like when the call 17 starts and when it ends. There's no recording. 18 It's a legal call. So legal calls are 19 protected. You can't give you know out the 20 legal call information. 21 MR Okay. 22 But you see who dialed it 23 and how long that call was. 24 MR Now is every phone in the 25 facility recorded? Other than legal calls? EFTA00112157 80 1 MR. Uh the inmate phones are 2 recorded. Yes. 3 MR. What about from CO to CO? 4 MR. No, that's not recorded. 5 MR. None of the - let's just 6 say an inmate has access - can get to the CO 7 phone. If they make a phone call. 8 MR. Well you try not to give 9 them access to it. 10 MR._: But they're never recorded 11 for any reason? 12 MR. Nah. 13 MR. So when the SHU is 14 talking with control or control is talking with 15 R&D. Those calls aren't recorded. 16 MR. No. There's just a log to 17 see how long the call was - the duration - but 18 that's pretty much it. What phone picked up 19 and what phone hung up or -. 20 MR. Are those logs maintained? 21 MR. Yes. 22 MR. For how long? 23 MR. Uh I just had this a 24 little while ago. Probably like a month. 25 MR. That's all it is? EFTA00112158 81 1 MR. That's all it is. Yeah. 2 MR. Do you recall if that was 3 ever -? A copy of all the logs for that day? 4 MR. Yes. I believe I gave a 5 copy to somebody. Somebody with access. So 6 I'm pretty sure I gave them call logs with 7 everything. 8 MR. So this is back then? 9 MR. Yes. I gave logs - call 10 logs. 11 MR. Do you recall if it was 12 all of August 9th and 10th? Or it was just for 13 -? 14 It was probably a few 15 days. 16 MR Day. 17 MR Do you still maintain 18 those since you gave them? 19 MR. No I just gave them. No 20 reason for me to hold on to them. 21 MR. So you physically gave it 22 to them as opposed to via email or anything? 23 MR. MEI Nah. Um. Did I scan 24 them? I might have emailed them. I'm not too 25 sure. EFTA00112159 82 1 MR. Can you do us a favor? 2 When you're done can you just check your outbox 3 around those dates -- 4 MR. Yes. Okay. 5 MR. -- and see if you have 6 those logged? 7 MR. Okay. 8 MR. You don't recall who you 9 provided it to? Right? 10 MR. SIS or whoever's in charge 11 of SIS. They were asking me for phone logs. 12 MR. MATULEWICZ: All right. So SIS would 13 have them then? 14 M Yes. 15 M Okay. 16 M If you want, it's on that 17 line. 18 M No. That's - so no. So 19 only inmate 20 calls? 21 MR. No staff member calls are 22 recorded 23 MR. And that's throughout the calls are recorded; no staff member 24 entire institution? 25 MR. Yes. EFTA00112160 83 1 MR. Okay. What about coming 2 in and out of the institution. Are they 3 recorded? 4 MR. What? What do you mean? 5 MR. So if like R&D is 6 speaking with the court or Marshals. Would 7 they be recording? 8 MR. No. that's not recorded. 9 No. 10 MR. So nothing coming in and 11 out. 12 MR. No. It's just when the 13 inmates are talking on the phone. Their phone 14 calls are recorded. Because they get that 15 little warning to say you know you're being 16 monitored. But that's about it. 17 MR. And I thought when I 18 called BOP facilities that it did say that this 19 line is being recorded. Is that not the case? 20 MR. No. 21 MR. Okay. 22 MR. Yeah. Sometimes they just 23 throw that in there to -. But it's not the 24 case. 25 MR. Okay. It's a shame but. EFTA00112161 84 1 MR. Yes. 2 MR. Yeah. 3 MR. Anything else on that 4 topic? I m going to move on. 5 MR. MATULEWICZ: No. 6 MR. So that was August 9th. 7 You left that day, what time? 8 MR. Um maybe the end of my 9 shift 2:00 or maybe like an hour later. 10 MR. 2:00 p.m.? 11 MR. Yeah. 2:00 p.m. Or maybe 12 3:00 p.m 13 MR. When did you come back on 14 shift? 15 MR. 6:00 a.m. in the morning. 16 MR. On August 10th? 17 MR. Yes. 18 MR. And what do you recall 19 happene on ugus 0th? 20 MR. As soon as I came to the 21 front door, I heard a body alarm on 10 South. 22 And then I ran up to the body alarm on 10 23 South. I mean 9 South. 24 MR. : 10 South? 25 MR. I mean 9 South. EFTA00112162 85 1 MR. And who hit the body 2 alarm? 3 MR. I don't know. I guess the 4 officer whoever's on 10 - uh 9 South. 5 MR. And when you got up there 6 what did you see? 7 MR. I don't know. I saw - 8 what did you see? We were all just I don't 9 know. What did I see...? I got up there. 10 MR. Let's start off then. Who 11 was up there when you got up there? 12 MR. Okay. Uh when I got up 13 there. I got on the elevator with -. Who did 14 I get on the elevator with ...? I think Ms. 15 rom food service was there. IIIIIIIII 16 Officer was there. And moglomm. And I 17 think the lieutenant at that time was - 18 Lieutenant then I got upstairs. Those are 19 the officers that I remember. And then the 20 officers that were on the unit were Officer 21 Thomas and Officer MS. Noel. And then I just 22 remember us saying we needed to get the 23 stretcher from the hallway. And an AD machine. 24 And then they took him and put him on the 25 stretcher. And I think after a little while - EFTA00112163 86 1 the medical PA - came upstairs. And then 2 started working on him. And then me and 3 were still doing chest compressions. We took 4 him to the second floor until the ambulance 5 came. 6 MR. Okay. I'm going to step 7 back a little bit. 8 MR. Okay. 9 MR. So when the body alarm 10 went off, right. And you were in the elevator 11 with and - 12 and I think 13 Ms. 14 MR. When you got 15 up there, who was up there? 16 MR. I think lieutenant 17 think was upstairs already. Maybe not. And 18 then I know MS. Noel was there. 19 MR. : Noel is that Noel? 20 MR. I don't know how to say 21 that name right. 22 MR. Tova Noel 23 MR. Tova Noel. She was there 24 and uh Thomas was there. 25 MR. Okay. Is that Michael EFTA00112164 87 1 Thomas? 2 MR. Michael Thomas. Yes. 3 MR. So you were one of the 4 very first people on the scene. 5 MR. Yes. 6 MR. : Possibly the first maybe 7 lieutenant 8 MR. Yeah. They probably -. I 9 think they might have got up there before we 10 did. I'm not too sure. 11 MR. When you say "they," was 12 there someone other than - 13 MR. : There was everybody in the 14 elevator and it was just like a malaise or -. 15 MR. But you said you were one 16 of the first. So when you arrived to the cell 17 what did you see? 18 MR. I saw Thomas picking him 19 up and people were helping him put him on a 20 stretcher. 21 MR. Okay. So when did you 22 start doing the chest compressions? 23 MR. I think like right away. 24 MR. On the stretcher though? 25 MR. Yes. EFTA00112165 88 1 MR. Okay. But not on the 2 floor? 3 MR. No I don't believe on the 4 floor. 5 MR. Sorry I'll turn it back 6 over to you. 7 MR. : No it's the same question. 8 So when you walk in. Let's say you walk into 9 the SHU. Was the gates open already? 10 MR. : The tier where he was on 11 was open. And I don't remember if the Sally 12 port door was open because the inner door - I 13 think somebody had to open that door. 14 MR. Okay. So you walk in, 15 and you head right up to the tier. 16 MR. Yes. Because we know that 17 was the tier something was happening on . 18 MR. Who was standing there? 19 MR. Um I believe Thomas. 20 MR. Thomas was inside or was 21 outside? 22 MR. I think he was inside the 23 tier. 24 MR. Was anybody outside the 25 tier? EFTA00112166 89 1 MR. I think Noel was outside 2 the tier. Because usually the way SHU works is 3 one officer in the tier and one officer outside 4 of the tier with a key. 5 MR. And out of the few people 6 that came up in the elevator, were you the 7 first one in the room or was there somebody 8 else? 9 MR. I think lieutenant 10 was there. He was pretty much directing 11 everybody what to do. 12 MR. And you come in. you walk 13 up the stairs for L Tier. 14 MR. Um M Tier. He was on M 15 Tier I think which is the top. 16 MR. : L Tier. 17 MR. L Tier. Yes. 18 MR. And do you recall which 19 cell it was? 20 MR. Uh the first one. As soon 21 as you go to the tier. 22 So you get up there. You 23 look in. What do you see? 24 MR. Um what do I see? Epstein 25 like not - uh - not tangible like not moving EFTA00112167 90 1 not doing anything. And then everybody's like 2 gathered around him and then we tried to move 3 him to the stretcher. And then we started 4 working on him on the stretcher. 5 MR. Was anyone performing CPR 6 when you walked in? 7 MR. No I don't believe so. 8 Because I think they were trying to cut him 9 down before I got up there. I'm not saying I 10 don't know exactly what happened. But I'm 11 pretty sure they were cutting him down because 12 he did have some stuff wrapped around him. So 13 I think that's what happened. 14 MR. So described it. What was 15 he wearing? 16 MR. Uh. 17 MR. I know it's kind of tough. 18 But. 19 MR. Uh he had his orange 20 boxers and uh the orange t-shirt. And I don't 21 know if he had socks on or not. 22 MR. So he had orange boxers 23 and he had an orange t-shirt on? 24 MR. Yes. 25 MR. And what else did he have EFTA00112168 91 1 on him? 2 MR. I think whatever was 3 wrapped around him. They were trying to cut 4 that off. And move that out of the way. 5 MR. So was it around his neck? 6 MR. When I go there I didn't' 7 see. I can't tell you what it was wrapped 8 around. 9 MR. Okay. 10 MR. But when I did see him, I 11 did see his neck was a little bit bruised 12 though. 13 MR. Did he have anything on 14 his head? Headphones anything like that? Do 15 you recall? 16 MR. Not that I recall, no. 17 MR. And then where was he 18 laying when you walked in? 19 MR. I think it was - by the 20 time I got in they were moving him and it was 21 just get the stretcher and the AED. 22 MR. kay. And CPR was done 23 and then he was taken out? 24 MR. We were working on him and 25 then medical came up and kept working on him. EFTA00112169 92 1 And then we took him downstairs. 2 MR. Do you recall how many 3 mattresses were on the floor if there were any? 4 MR I don't recall. 5 MR Okay. Is there anything 6 about when you walked in that stood out to you 7 about that cell? 8 MR. Mm. No. Nothing really 9 distinctive. Just a SHU cell. 10 MR. And you mentioned you saw 11 bruising. Where did you see bruising? 12 MR. Around his neck. 13 MR. On all sides or just one 14 side? 15 MR. I think around all sides. 16 MR. Okay. And after they took 17 him to medical, did you follow them down? 18 MR. Yeah. I was - it was me 19 and We were doing chest compressions on 20 him until the second floor. And then we were in 21 medical. And was making his phone 22 calls and notifications. And I don't know if 23 =3 ave him a shot but we had to keep 24 working on him. 25 MR. is in medical? EFTA00112170 93 1 MR.IMII And the medical guy. And 2 then um they tried to give him the AED machine 3 upstairs and it didn't' work. And I think the 4 AED machine was still working on him when we 5 took him downstairs. We were still pumping on 6 his chest. 7 MR. And after the medical 8 office was be brought to the hospital? 9 MR. That part I don't know 10 about. After all that happened, I just knew 11 that everything was short-staffed and since I 12 came in to do my job, there was nobody in 13 custody. So after all that I went up to the 14 Special Housing Unit and I worked there for 15 about an hour. 16 MR. You went back to the SHU? 17 MR. Yeah. 18 MR. What did you do? 19 MR. Settled inmate population 20 down. They get a little rowdy when they see 21 stuff happen and don't' know what's going on. 22 So you've got to kind of just do custody work. 23 MR. Who was in the SHU when 24 you were up there? 25 MR. It was me, Lieutenant EFTA00112171 94 = 1 I believe. She came up from 2 somewhere. Lieutenant was there. And 3 um Officer Noel was there also. 4 MR. She was still there? 5 MR. Yes. 6 MR. What was she doing? 7 MR. She just looked like a 8 little disheveled like she didn't know what was 9 going on. Just stressed. Because that was her 10 first suicide. So when you see something like 11 that you kind of don't know how you would uh 12 react. 13 MR. Did you talk to her about 14 it? 15 MR. I don't believe so. I 16 just kind of let her do her thing. And I just 17 had to get to - because they were feeding in 18 the morning time. So you have to you know try 19 to settle everything down. 20 MR. When you got up there and 21 um initially, do you recall if Officers Michael 22 Thomas or Noel, Tova Noel made any statements, 23 any comments to Lieutenant= 24 MR. : I don't really recall. It 25 was like a mess. I don't really know what was EFTA00112172 95 1 said. 2 MR. Did you assist Anderson- 3 Lane in giving out food? 4 MR. Yes. 5 MR. Were you in the same tier 6 with them when she handed out the food? 7 MR. Yes. 8 MR. Do you recall any 9 interactions between her and the inmates? 10 MR. Uh there was a lot of 11 things saying inmates said that were heard 12 not right. 13 MR. So what kind of stuff did 14 the inmates say? 15 MR. You killed him. What they 16 say. You killed him. You weren't making 17 rounds. You killed him. You weren't making 18 rounds. You guys got to get a new job. You 19 guys are done. A lot of fuck you this - your 20 mother this. You know. it was just a 21 MR. Did say 22 anything back to them? 23 MR. I don't believe so. I 24 don't know what she said to the inmates. Like 25 I said it was just like a - I don't know what EFTA00112173 96 1 was said back and forth. 2 MR. Do you recall if any 3 comments were made about providing an alibi for 4 the CO's? 5 MR. No. I don't believe so. 6 MR. Anything else on that? 7 MR. MATULEWICZ: A lot. Um so we'll just 8 go in reverse order. So when you said you 9 killed him, who killed him? 10 MR. They like the officers 11 killed Epstein. 12 MR. MATULEWICZ: Did they - were they 13 referring to any specific officers? 14 MR. The officers that were up 15 there - Thomas and Noel. Yeah. 16 MR. So they were saying that 17 they killed him? 18 MR. Yeah. You guys killed 19 him. 20 MR. And did they say anything 21 specifically about how? 22 MR. No. They was just - they 23 were upset so they were just saying it but they 24 didn't say how. 25 MR. Did anyone say -? EFTA00112174 97 1 MR. They didn't say that they 2 went in the cells to try to kill him or open up 3 the grille. They just said you guys killed 4 him. But. 5 MR. And what was -? Did you 6 ask any follow-up questions with regard to 7 that? 8 MR. I just know not to say 9 anything. So I just do what I have to do and 10 don't get involved in that. 11 MR. Did they provide any 12 other information with regard to when they were 13 saying you killed him? 14 MR. Just that they didn't do 15 rounds. And that was pretty much about it. 16 MR. Did they say anything 17 more about not doing rounds or just said that 18 they didn't do any rounds? Or what did they 19 say about that? 20 MR._: They didn't do any rounds. 21 They were sitting there all night. I don't 22 think they came over here once. 23 MR. They said they came over 24 once? 25 MR. They never came. They EFTA00112175 98 1 never did any rounds. 2 MR. : They said they never did 3 one? 4 MR. No. 5 MR. : Oh. So they never did 6 once? 7 MR. Yeah. 8 MR. : Is that what you mean? 9 MR. Yeah. 10 MR. : Okay. Did they mention 11 when they stopped doing rounds? 12 MR. No. 13 MR. No? All right. You said 14 that when you came back it was Noel and 15 and yourself. Just the three of you. 16 MR. Yes. I believe so. 17 MR. Was Thomas already gone 18 then? 19 MR. Yes. 20 MR. All right. Did you see 21 anyone near the officer station at that time? 22 MR. No. I don't believe so. 23 MR. Do you know if anybody -. 24 MR. Uh the round slips. I 25 don't know if anybody started to write stuff EFTA00112176 99 1 down or anything. 2 MR. : What about with regards 3 to Epstein's file? DO you know if anyone went 4 into Epstein's file at that time? 5 MR. : I don't even know if he 6 had -. He had a SHU file but I don't know who 7 would have access to that. 8 MR. : Wouldn't the SHU file be 9 right there in the SHU? 10 MR. : Yeah. But it's usually the 11 OIC would know where the file is. 12 MR. : Okay. Did you see 13 at all around that desk area? 14 MR. : No. I don't know what 15 they were doing as far as the file or anything. 16 MR. : Were you with 17 the whole time she was there? 18 MR. : Um I was feeding so I was 19 kind of like by myself. Let me down the tier. 20 I'll feed. 21 MR. : Okay. So you - I thought 22 you said that you were feeding with IIIIIIIIIII at the same time. 23 24 MR. No-no-no. She would do 25 something else and I take this tier and she was EFTA00112177 100 1 doing something else. 2 MR. All right. So you would 3 each be in your own individual tier? 4 MR. Feeding. Yeah. 5 MR. And feeding. 6 MR. Because there were only 7 two people to feed. 8 MR. All right. And was Noel 9 also feeding? 10 MR. No. I think she was 11 opening the grill. 12 MR. : She was opening the 13 grill. And she was standing on the outside? 14 MR. Yes. 15 MR. And how does that work? 16 Are you allowed to be going and feeding by 17 yourself? And also going down -? 18 MR. To feed. Yes. Because 19 you're not opening the -. You're just opening 20 the slot. You're not opening the door for the 21 inmates. So that's okay. 22 MR. Okay. So that's all 23 right. Now did you notice anything else taking 24 place in there aside from feeding when you were 25 in there? EFTA00112178 101 1 MR. No. 2 MR. Around what time were you 3 in there? 4 MR. Uh probably a little bit 5 after 6:00 a.m. 6 MR. So if he -. 7 MR. nd then I -. 8 MR. If the body alarm gets 9 activated at 6:33 a.m., about what time did you 10 come back after you did the lifesaving 11 measures? 12 MR. : Um I probably went 13 downstairs, put my stuff away, and then I had 14 two TDY staff with me. They stayed in the 15 basement. 16 MR. When you say the 17 basement, what does that mean? 18 MR. In my office. They were 19 in my office. Because I didn't know anything 20 would happen. And they just didn't need to be 21 a part of anything that was transpired. So. 22 MR. But they weren't in the 23 SHU? 24 MR. No they never went to the 25 SHU. They never responded to the body alarm. EFTA00112179 102 1 MR. So do you think you were 2 back in the SHU by about 7:00 a.m.? 3 MR. Before 7:00 a.m. 4 MR. So prior to 7:00 a.m. and 5 then 6 MR. Yeah. 7 MR. Then you stayed in there 8 until almost 8:00 a.m.? 9 MR. I don't even know. I 10 stayed in there for a quite a while. I'm not 11 too sure. 12 MR. By - while you were in 13 there, did SIS or anyone else come in and start 14 preserving evidence? 15 MR. I don't believe anybody 16 was here to start doing any of that. 17 MR. Okay. So by the time you 18 left -. You left - when you left there, who 19 was still there? 20 MR. I don't even know who came 21 up to relieve me, honestly. 22 MR. No? But someone did 23 relieve you? 24 MR. Yes. Somebody did relieve 25 me. Then I got asked about cameras and phone EFTA00112180 103 1 calls and -. 2 MR. Right. So it's just a 3 whirlwind 4 MR. Yeah. Just a - yeah. 5 MR. And when you saw Epstein, 6 are you sure he had a shirt on? 7 MR. : Pretty sure. Did he have 8 a shirt on? I'm not for sure. Honestly. I 9 don't really remember that. 10 MR. : Can you remember yourself 11 actually doing those chest compressions? 12 MR. I was doing chest 13 compressions. 14 MR. : Do you remember -? 15 MR. Oh. We had to take his 16 shirt off. Okay. Yeah. We had to take his 17 shirt off. 18 MR. So you actually took it 19 off? 20 eah. 21 22 off? 23 MR. Yeah because that's how 24 you got to 25 off. put on the Do you remember taking it AED. So the shirt came EFTA00112181 104 1 MR Do you remember it 2 actually taking it off or that it was off 3 already? 4 MR. Maybe it was off already. 5 MR. But you can't recall? 6 MR. No. 7 MR. And when you said when 8 you arrived, you're not - there was no one 9 doing chest compressions at the time that you 10 arrived? 11 MR : They were - I think they 12 were trying to cut him down and we - and I 13 think I went to go get the stretcher and the 14 AED so by the time I came back, whatever they 15 were doing to try to move him -- 16 MR. Yeah. 17 MR. -- by the time we got the 18 stretcher, that's when we started working on 19 him. Because you obviously can't work on him 20 because he's hanging up and -. 21 So you believe he was 22 actually hanging by the time - when you got 23 there? 24 MR. They were moving him down. 25 He was in an up position and they were lowering EFTA00112182 105 1 him down to whatever position. 2 MR. All right. So he may not 3 have been actually hanging but he was like 4 sitting up? 5 MR. I'm not too sure. 6 MR. You don't know? 7 MR. Yeah. 8 MR. Okay. 9 MR. Somebody was holding him 10 so I don't know if he was -. If they were like 11 trying to -. 12 MR. So just walk me through 13 that. What exactly did you see? When you say 14 someone was holding him. What do you mean by 15 holding him? 16 MR. Okay. So you get in the 17 SHU. There's not a lot space in the SHU. 18 MR. : Totally. 19 MR. So if an inmate is 20 hanging, usually you try to hold them and make 21 sure you know you can cut them down. And with 22 all that going on, I think I went to get the 23 AED and the um -. Because there was enough 24 staff there. I didn't need to go in the cell. 25 There's no space. EFTA00112183 106 1 MR. Okay. 2 MR. So I just got the AED or 3 the stretcher and bring it back. 4 MR. But you believe - there 5 are you confident that there were actually - he 6 was like in an upright position when you first 7 saw him? 8 MR. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. He 9 wasn't laying down. It was (Indiscernible 10 *01:12:00). 11 MR. : So he was not laying down 12 yet -- 13 MR. Was he laying down? 14 MR. -- and they weren't 15 already working on him. 16 MR. Uh. I don't really. I 17 remember him being moved. I don't know if he 18 was laying down when I first got there. I 19 don't really -. 20 MR. Yeah. 21 MR. That I can't say for sure. 22 I know he was being moved when I initially got 23 there. And then I went down. I can't say he 24 was laying down because I didn't -- 25 MR. All right. EFTA00112184 107 1 MR. -- see him. 2 MR. But you do know he was 3 being moved. 4 MR. Yes. 5 MR. You just don't - and you 6 believe he was in an upright - like seated-type 7 position. 8 MR. Or whatever position he 9 was, they were trying to move him out of that 10 position. 11 MR. Okay. 12 MR. o administer first aid or 13 whateve 14 MR. So when is the first time 15 that you know he was actually receiving chest 16 compressions? 17 MR. Uh as soon as we put him 18 on the stretcher. 19 MR. Did anyone check for 20 breath or a pulse? 21 MR. Uh the duty PA. Uh 22 Columbo. And then he put the AED on. The AED 23 tells you if there's a pulse or anything. And 24 stay clear so they could do the shock. 25 MR. All right. So prior EFTA00112185 108 1 that's the first you know chest compressions 2 were ever done on him? 3 MR es. 4 MR Okay. 5 MR ve just got a follow-up 6 on that question. 7 MR. : All right. 8 MR. Mm. 9 MR. When you walked in and 10 when they started doing the chest -. Where was 11 his body being - like when you walk in His 12 bunk is there. 13 MR Mm-hmm. 14 MR And we know there's a -- 15 MR Corner 16 MR -- corner. Right? 17 MR Yeah. 18 MR Which way was his head 19 facing head? And where was his legs? 20 MR. He was kind of like, 21 somebody was just holding him. So I can't 22 really tell if he was going this way or that. 23 But somebody was behind him physically holding 24 him like this trying to move him. 25 MR. Were they trying to get EFTA00112186 109 1 him out of the corner and bring him out? 2 MR. Yeah. I believe that's 3 what was going on. But there was no way to put 4 him there because you can't put him on the 5 ground to do anything. So that's when we 6 free to get the stretcher and MO machine. 7 MR. Why couldn't they put him 8 down on the ground? 9 MR. : I usually put them down on 10 the ground. But usually it just second nature. 11 You always get a stretcher. Because you don't 12 want none of the inmates seeing you work on an 13 inmate. It never looks good. So you kind of - 14 you just - everything is just so fast. Like it 15 just moves just like a - it's not like you wait 16 or hesitate. But you just kind of know what to 17 do. There's no hesitation. But you just know 18 what's going to happen and you never really 19 want to work in front of the inmates or the 20 inmates behind a door. Like that's not a good 21 idea. So you try to move them as much so you 22 can really start working them. 23 MR SO you don't think anyone 24 did CPR on him until he was moved over? 25 MR No. We did CPR on him. EFTA00112187 110 1 I'm pretty sure somebody did. But it was just 2 a process of everything was so -. Everything 3 just happened like this where it just didn't 4 seem like -. It seemed like it took minutes 5 but it probably just took seconds the way 6 everything was going. 7 MR. Okay. 8 MR. So I guess is there any 9 reason for you to believe that Epstein didn't 10 take his own life? 11 MR. No. 12 MR. Do you believe Epstein 13 took his own life? 14 MR. Yes. I believe so. 15 MR. Were the inmates saying 16 anything about anyone going into Epstein's 17 cell? 18 MR. No. 19 MR. So all they said was that 20 they didn't check - they didn't do their 21 rounds? 22 MR. The rounds. They didn't 23 do anything all night. 24 MR. So do you believe that's 25 what they meant by you killed him? EFTA00112188 111 1 MR. Yes. They didn't do their 2 job. 3 MR. : So they didn't do their 4 job 5 MR. And with them -. Yeah. 6 They didn't. By them not doing their rounds, 7 they can't check to see if he was breathing or 8 what's going on. 9 MR. And that's how they 10 killed him. 11 MR. Yeah. That's how they 12 killed him. 13 MR. All right. As far as 14 when you were in there. After you come back up 15 to the SHU, after you leave the medical unit. 16 You said you got there before 7:00 a.m. The 17 entire time you were in there for approximately 18 one hour. Was in there with 19 you? 20 MR. Um I don't recall. She 21 might have came down and checked on things. 22 The lieutenant came down and checked to see 23 what was going on. And that was about it. And 24 then we have to write our statements about what 25 transpired. EFTA00112189 112 1 MR. Oh did you and 2 both write statements? 3 MR. No. I wrote my own 4 statemen 5 MR. You wrote your own 6 statement? But you did write a statement? 7 MR Yes. 8 MR Did also 9 write a statement though? 10 MR. I believe so. I'm not too 11 sure. She's a lieutenant. She should know to 12 write a statement but I -. 13 MR. Okay. 14 MR. That's something that 15 yeah. I don't have to write a statement. 16 MR. And where you do write 17 statements from? 18 MR. Um my computer. I just go 19 to my des an -. 20 MR. Okay. And would have 21 also written one though? Like 22 did - was she one of the responding officers? 23 Or did she just come up to help feed? 24 MRITM I don't know if she came 25 up with the body alarm. It was -. I don't EFTA00112190 113 1 think she was there initially when everything 2 happened. So I don't think, yeah. 3 MR So she wouldn't have 4 written a statement then. Correct? 5 MR. No. 6 MR. So do you recall at the 7 time that you left the SHU. Do you know if she 8 was still in there? 9 MR. Um I don't know. 10 MR. : You're not sure? 11 MR. I don't know. Yeah. 12 MR. And again, did you see 13 anyone that was in there around that officer 14 station? 15 Ma I just there was - working 16 on the tier making sure I do rounds and try to 17 talk to the inmates to settle them down as much 18 as I could. 19 MR. Okay. But you didn't 20 notice any files being manipulated? 21 MR. No. Nobody was going by 22 the desk or doing anything like that. Like I 23 didn't see anybody trying to go and grab stuff 24 or move stuff around. Like I didn't see any of 25 that. EFTA00112191 114 1 MR. Okay. Okay. And you 2 didn't see anybody actually take papers or -? 3 MR. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure 4 if somebody did it, it would probably be on 5 camera too. Because that camera was working 6 so. 7 8 MR. Well that camera that 9 you're talking about that was working - you 10 can't make anything out on it. 11 MR. Yeah. Yeah. You can't 12 really make anything out. 13 MR. So even if someone's near 14 there, you can't really see what they're doing. 15 MR. Really see what they're 16 doing, yeah. But I don't think anybody was 17 going there to do anything. Because I don't 18 even think anybody knew like what the hell was 19 going on. 20 MR. Okay. 21 MR. To be honest with you. It 22 was like what the hell just happened. 23 MR. Okay. And as far as 24 that. That is the one and only camera, that 25 one that was up by 10 South, that was working? EFTA00112192 115 1 MR. Yes. That was working. 2 MR. All right. Then nothing 3 else. Nothing else that was ever working? 4 MR. Um there was other ones in 5 the Sally port. But nothing as far as the SHU. 6 That was the only one in the SHU. 7 MR. Um. All right. So as 8 far as that camera though that was showing 9 people - who was going in and out of the SHU. 10 Was that working? 11 MR. Um the 9 Sally I'm not too 12 sure. 13 MR. Okay. 14 MR. That I'm not too sure 15 about. 16 MR. You just said it was 17 working. 18 MR. I'm not - no I'm not sure 19 if it was recording, the Sally camera was 20 recording. 21 MR. Yeah. That's what I was 22 saying. The difference between working and 23 recording to him is if it's actually a live 24 feed -. 25 MR. Yeah. I can't tell you. EFTA00112193 116 1 Yeah. It gets confusing. 2 MR. Um. But. All right. 3 And again. You believe that - sorry. Start 4 over. You believe Epstein took his own life? 5 MR. Yes. 6 MR. Okay. 7 MR. Based on the agent's 8 question. You said you were doing feeding. 9 Did you do feeding on L Tier after? The tier 10 that Epstein was found in. Did you -? 11 MR. I probably did yeah. 12 Because I don't really. I probably did. 13 MR. How long were you up there 14 for? 15 MR. I don't know. 16 MR. Do you recall if his cell 17 was secured? Or was it left open? 18 MR. Initially it was probably 19 left open and- 20 MR. For how long? 21 MR. I don't know. I'm not too 22 sure. But then I think when I came back to 23 feed - because we lock all the cells. It's 24 probably locked when I started doing feeding. 25 MR. But were there CO's going EFTA00112194 117 1 in and out of there? 2 MR. No. There's no reason to 3 go inside of a cell. And everybody knows like 4 after a suicide, it's a crime scene. So 5 usually you just stay away from the cell. 6 MR. DO you recall 7 approximately when they came and they secured 8 it as a crime scene? 9 MR. I'm not too sure when that 10 happened 11 MR. But it wasn't secured when 12 you left 13 MR. Um when I - when I went 14 down there for the body alarm it wasn't secure. 15 I mean when I took him down to medical doing 16 chest compressions. He wasn't - it wasn't 17 secured. I don't really -. But when I came 18 back upstairs it was secured. The door was 19 locked I believe. 20 MR.IIIIIIIIIIIIIOkay. 21 MR. And I know I was honing 22 in on but what about Noel? Did 23 you see Noel near the officers' station at all? 24 MR. Uh I believe she received 25 a phone call or somebody wanted to see what was EFTA00112195 118 1 going on. Asked them like what happened or -. 2 MR. Oh. Did you see her 3 manipulating any files or dealing with any 4 paperwork? 5 MR. I don't believe so. 6 MR. No? All right. And then 7 going way back to our initial conversation you 8 said that you put in a work order for SigNet. 9 Was that on the 9th? 10 MR. Um probably before, yeah. 11 Of July. Um. 12 MR. No. That would have been 13 August 9th. The day before Epstein was found. 14 MR. Yeah. I was just 15 troubleshooting with them. I was on the phone 16 with them. It's not really a work order. Just 17 you know I call them up. Hey, this what's 18 going on what should we do. 19 MR. Okay. So there would be 20 no paperwork showing -. 21 MR. Um from - SigNet would 22 have paperwork. 23 MR. So they would show that 24 you called -- 25 MR. Yes. EFTA00112196 119 1 MR. -- and you said that 2 these things were down. 3 MR. Yeah. And I was having 4 problems 5 MR. And do you have any of 6 those files? 7 MR. No. They have their own 8 files they keep. 9 MR. Just they would be able 10 to like 11 MR. Yeah. And I was on -. 12 Since that happened, I was pretty much on the 13 phone with them for like a week after that. So 14 they would have records of when I called or 15 whatever happened. 16 MR. All right. And then as 17 far as - and now we're going way to the 18 beginning. You said that you were - you did - 19 you were interviewed by the FBI. You said on 20 the 10th you were also interviewed by them 21 after the 10th of August? 22 MR. Because I was the subject 23 matter expert as far as the cameras go. So 24 they want to know like how can you find video 25 if you could find video. What can I do. And EFTA00112197 120 1 then they came in the next day they tried to -. 2 As soon as I found the video, that's the real 3 video they wanted because they wanted to make 4 sure they had something in it. Because they 5 were pretty mad that there was no video at all. 6 And I found that video. Because I wasn't sure 7 what was on the recorders or what wasn't on the 8 recorders at one point. 9 MR. And that's the 10 South 10 video? 11 MR. Yes. 12 MR. And um do you know if 13 that video was ever enhanced to be able to see 14 it more clearly? 15 MR I have no idea if they did 16 or did not. 17 MR. But you did not? 18 MR. No. I did not do that. 19 MR. Do you even have that 20 ability to do that? 21 MR. Not without software we 22 have. No. Not going to happen. 23 MR. Okay. 24 MR. You mentioned that, maybe 25 I'm mistaken. You mentioned there was a work EFTA00112198 121 1 order created prior to the 9th for the cameras? 2 MR. Yeah. There was a few 3 work orders that the recorders were going down 4 or failing. We have problems. 5 MR. When were those created? 6 MR. Uh maybe a year before or 7 six months before. It was just a constant 8 thing as far as the cameras not working. 9 Because we was trying to get upgraded. We were 10 trying to get money spent. So we have to 11 create - any time there's a problem, I have to 12 create a work order or tell like the regional 13 office like there's a problem. Because it's a 14 work order over 10,000 so they have to put 15 money aside to do the work. Like it's not a 16 quick fix to fix the recorders. 17 MR. And these recorders were 18 maintained in house or only by SigNet? 19 MR. The work orders we have 20 are maintained here in house. 21 MR. Who would have access to 22 that? 23 MR. m the facility manager. 24 MR. Okay. 25 MR. Anybody in facilities EFTA00112199 122 1 pretty much would have access to it. But 2 really facility manager. 3 MR. On August 9th when you saw 4 that the system was down. Has it gone down 5 just like that before? 6 MR. Yes. 7 MR. How long did it take you 8 to fix 9 MR. Sometimes maybe a day 10 maybe two days - maybe a couple days. And the 11 thing - and I have to stress also - is just 12 because I saw it down -. Because I don't check 13 it every day. I don't know if it was down for 14 a week, a month, you know. Tt's not one of 15 those things you check all the time. But I 16 would - since we were having problems more 17 readily, I would always check like once a week 18 to make sure it was working. But before it was 19 not like okay I've got to go up here and check 20 it because it wasn't happening. 21 MR That was my next question. 22 Did you just happen to walk in there that day? 23 Or -? 24 MR. I already knew we were 25 having issues. And I think I got the hard EFTA00112200 123 1 drives out. Because I was going to take them 2 up there and see what was going on. 3 MR. Now based on the fact that 4 this happened before. Right. Was that same 5 exact situation. Same exact -. 6 MR. Yes. 7 MR. Same exact drives? 8 MR. Um I think it's switched. 9 It could have been recorder one and then 10 recorder two. I don't think it was just the 11 same recorder all the time because one recorder 12 was actually the whole motherboard have to get 13 replaced. And that was again I think that was 14 recorder two. And before drives would go out 15 on one or two, so it was just random. They 16 were old. They just needed to get replaced. 17 MR. And at that point you knew 18 that the drives were not recording. 19 MR. Yes. 20 MR. Were any actions taken to 21 make sure that is this does happen in the 22 future that at least something would be 23 recorded? 24 MR. Yes. Exactly that. 25 MR. What actions were taken? EFTA00112201 124 1 MR. Um now we have redundant 2 drives. o i one drive fails, you always have 3 a backup. 4 MR 5 prior to the 9th. No-no. I'm talking about 6 MR. Oh. Prior to the 9th? 7 No. There was really nothing. They just knew 8 we had a problem. We had ordered the new 9 system. We were online to get it installed. 10 But we were just not lucky to get it installed. 11 MR. And the record would show 12 that there was an order for -? 13 MR Yeah. And that we have 14 the shipping stuff for the system actually. It 15 was here. It was in the building. 16 MR. You just didn't get it 17 installed yet? 18 MR. : Didn't get installed. It 19 got installed a couple - um the = happened on 20 the 9th, 10th, or 11th. That's when the new 21 system got installed. 22 MR. I got nothing else. 23 MR. MATULEWICZ: Yeah. The other thing. 24 We've already asked you this, but I just want 25 to make sure. So the title of you supervisor EFTA00112202 125 1 did you say facilities manager? 2 MR. Yes. 3 MR. And how would we again 4 figure out who that was at the time? 5 MR. Uh I don't know. you 6 would just have to ask. I'm not too sure who 7 the facility manager was. 8 MR. But you don't even know 9 how -(Indiscernible *01:24:08) 10 MR. I think it was 11 but I'm not too sure. Because he was maybe 12 Acting at the time. I don't think he got the 13 position yet. 14 MR. : Is he the facilities 15 manager now? 16 MR. Now, yes he is. 17 MR. And again you know you 18 notified whoever was the facilities manager at 19 the time. 20 MR. Or my general foreman 21 usually. It's one of those two. I usually 22 notify both of them. 23 MR. : So the general manager 24 and/or the general foreman? 25 MR. And general foreman. Yeah. EFTA00112203 126 1 I have to notify somebody. I can't just walk 2 out of the building and not say anything. 3 MR. And you said you're 4 positive you definitely made those 5 notifications? 6 MR. : Yeah. I had to. Because 7 I was coming back the next day to do work. 8 MR. : Um you said it was the 9 general foreman? 10 MR. Yes. 11 MR. Um and do you know of -? 12 MR. But I don't even think we 13 had a general foreman. I'm not too sure. It 14 was two years ago. I'm not even sure if we had 15 a general foreman. 16 MR. And being though that 17 this was such a big deal and these cameras were 18 such a big part of it, did you ever learn if 19 either of those people ever passed the 20 information up? 21 MR. Mm no. 22 MR. So no, that was never 23 spoken of? 24 MR. No. 25 MR. And you guys didn't - you EFTA00112204 127 1 never had that conversation with those 2 supervisors after the fact? 3 MR. Uh it was Did we have 4 a conversation after? I never really asked if 5 it got -. They - I'm pretty sure everybody 6 knew it wasn't working because I came back the 7 next day. So -. 8 MR. So did they ever - did 9 anyone ever say anything to you about like hey 10 why didn't tell me? 11 MR. No. I don't get that. 12 no. 13 MR. No? 14 MR. No. I'm not going to get 15 that. 16 MR. All right. 17 MR. Because I would have told 18 somebody. I'm not going to leave. 19 MR. Okay. 20 MR. Because I came from 21 another jail. I can't just leave and not say 22 anything. That's -. 23 MR. So like SIS or the 24 captain never came up to you and said he what's 25 happened? Why didn't you let anybody know? EFTA00112205 128 1 MR. No. 2 MR. : So. Okay. 3 MR. Because it was a known 4 problem that the recorders were going down. So 5 I'd have to say hey, this is what's going on. 6 MR Gotcha. 7 MR I'm trying to fix it. 8 I'll be back tomorrow. 9 MR. : Okay. I think that's all 10 I've got 11 MR. That's all I have. Is 12 there anything else you think we should have 13 asked you that we didn't ask? 14 MR Um. It's an investigation 15 I just - I just hope this never happens again. 16 I'm mean I was comfortable because I came from 17 another institution. I knew what I was doing 18 as far as the cameras and recorders. And I 19 know how all that stuff works. But I just wish 20 the Bureau would be more proactive as far as 21 maintenance and buying new stuff. Like I know 22 now they are like more on top everything. But 23 it's not really - it's not good. 24 MR. All right. 25 MR. That's just my only thing. EFTA00112206 129 1 MR : So still to date? 2 MR Yeah. They still got to 3 do a lot of improvements. 4 MR. Okay. 5 MR. Yeah. 6 MR. So you don't believe it's 7 actually been rectified? There still needs a 8 lot of work? 9 MR. Oh yeah. I've been to 10 other institutions. There's a lot of camera 11 work that needs to get done. As far as -. 12 Yeah. 13 MR. To just to keep up to 14 date with other institutions. 15 MR. Uh no. This institution 16 is fine. I've did a lot of overtime here. 17 MR. Oh. Oh. Sure. I 18 thoughts that what you were saying. I thought 19 you meant MCC's not up to speed. 20 MR. No. We're up to speed. 21 We're ahead of the curve. We got IP cameras 22 pretty much everywhere. But I'm just saying 23 overall I just wish the Bureau was more 24 proactive. And like when I came to this 25 institution for instance like there was only EFTA00112207 130 1 one camera in a housing unit. When I was in 2 Brooklyn, I was custody, it was cameras all 3 over the place. I went to Indiana and I was a 4 contact at a complex which was a high, medium, 5 low, there's a camp, there's a death row. 6 There's cameras everywhere. I come to this 7 jail, New York City. And I'm expecting cameras 8 everywhere. And one of the first things was 9 like, oh, we don't have money for that. We 10 don't have money for this. We don't have money 11 for that. And I just kept saying hey, you guys 12 got to do something. This is a problem. God 13 forbid this is what happened. But I just wish 14 there was more proactivity. Like -. 15 MR. : But right now, MCC is up 16 to speed? 17 MR. We're good. Yeah we're 18 good. We don't have any issues. 19 MR. So when you made that 20 statement, you're talking about other 21 facilities. 22 MR. Yes. Other facilities in 23 general. I wish the Bureau would invest more 24 money. 25 MR. Okay. EFTA00112208 131 1 MR. And training too. Like 2 just getting new equipment. That's not it. 3 Also train the staff. Because even like when I 4 learned how to do the cameras stuff, it was 5 just me over the phone with SigNet. I never 6 really went to a physical training. Hey, 7 Daniel this is the system you have. Take this 8 drive out, do X, Y, and Z. I'm just like I'm 9 on the phone. I'm looking at it. Okay. The 10 light is this color. This is - I'm a smart 11 guy. I could figure it out. But at the same 12 time like -. 13 MR. Right 14 MR. Somebody that's not really 15 savvy, is -. Yeah. Going to be lost. 16 MR. All right. Thank you so 17 much for taking your time. I know you just had 18 that leave training. So I really appreciate 19 that. 20 Yeah. 21 Thank you Mr. Daniel 22 again. So if there's nothing else, this is 23 Special Agent he time is 3:44 24 p.m. on Thurs ay Ju y , . I am turning 25 off the recorder. Ending the interview and EFTA00112209 132 1 turning off the recorder. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00112210 133 CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview o Marci Bratton, Transcriber EFTA00112211 A Ability - 120:20 Able - 53:3, 60:9, 74:22, 119:9, 120:13 Above - 5:21 Accordingly - 5:13 Acknowledge - 36: 4 Act - 5:5 Acting - 125:12 Action - 5:14 Actions - 123:20, 123:25 Activated - 101:9 Active - 8:14 Actual - 18:17, 39:4, 73:3, 79:13 AD - 85:23 Add - 20:11 Added - 66:14 Adding - 20:14 Additional - 75:12, 75:17 Address - 7:5, 18:7 Addressed - 18:5, 26:8 Administer - 107:12 Advise - 49:2 AED - 91:21, 93:2, 93:4, 103:24, 104:14, 105:23, 106:2, 107:22, 109:6 Afternoon - 76:2 Again - 3:23, 18:18, 43:24, 58:23, 64:2, 113:12, 116:3, 123:13, 125:3, 125:17, 128:15, 131:22 Against - 5:15, 5:24 Agency - 5:18 Agent - 3:1, 3:4, 3:18, 3:20, 3:23, 4:1, 6:7, 6:9, 6:11, 131:23 Agent's - 116:7 Ago - 10:8, 66:20, 80:24, 126:14 Agree - 4:18 Ahead - 39:18, 129:21 Aid - 107:12 Alarm - 12:20, 84:21, 84:22, 85:2, 86:9, 101:8, 101:25, 112:25, 117:14 Alibi - 96:3 Allowed - 60:12, 100:16 Almost - 76:6, 102:8 Along - 57:1 Already - 25:5, 86:17, 88:9, 98:17, 104:3, 104:4, 106:15, 122:24, 124:24 Altogether - 27:21, 52:25 Always - 17:18, 24:11, 36:19, 40:2, 68:7, 109:11, 122:17, 124:2 Am - 3:23, 5:21, 6:11, 131:24 Amber - 43:6, 45:3, 52:19 Ambers - 43:8 Ambulance - 86:4 Amended - 5:5 Analog - 15:19, 15:20, 15:23, 15:24, 16:3, 16:4, 16:8, 16:11, 16:13, 16:16, 21:13, 22:23, 59:9, 68:2, 68:4 54 94:1, 94:2, 95:2, 95:21, 98:15, 99:13, 99:16, 99:22, 100:17, 111:18, 112:1, 112:8, 112:21, 117:22 Another - 9:22, 17:11, 24:25, 27:1, 30:18, 57:5, 59:6, 127:21, 128:17 Answer - 5:14, 5:16, 5:22 Answered - 39:20, 55:20 Answers - 4:17 Anybody's - 14:1 Anyway - 57:20, 66:3 Anywhere - 25:20 Apartment - 7:9 Apologize - 4:13, 48:24 Appreciate - 131:18 Approved - 25:7, 50:21, 50:24 Approximately - 29 :14, 40:1, 40:9, 41:16, 56:8, 111:17, 117:7 Area - 30:15, 30:17, 30:24, 32:10, 34:16, 34:24, 35:3, 37:21, 66:17, 75:8, 99:13 Aren't - 46:19, 49:7, 80:15 Around - 10:8, 18:13, 20:18, 23:15, 46:5, 50:14, 64:16, 82:3, 90:2, 90:12, 91:3, 91:5, 91:8, 92:12, 92:15, 99:13, 101:2, 113:13, 113:24 Arrived - 87:16, 104:8, 104:10 Arrow - 31:14, 32:1, 32:7 Aside - 42:20, 100:24, 121:15 Ask - 6:23, 60:19, 63:18, 97:6, 125:6, 128:13 Asked - 4:17, 5:1, 48:25, 78:16, 102:25, 118:1, 124:24, 127:4, 128:13 Asking - 82:11 Assist - 95:2 Assistant's - 3:17 Associate - 19:23, 20:2 Assurances - 4:24, 5:20 Attempted - 70:17 AW - 19:23, 20:1 Aware - 38:6 Away - 87:23, 101:13, 117:5 Aws - 62:14 B Background - 11:12 Backup - 124:3 Bad - 23:9, 23:10, 27:4, 47:3, 57:21, 64:18, 70:9, 70:14, 72:18 IMP -21:1 Base - 73:3 Based - 68:3, 116:7, 123:3 Basement - 101:15, 101:17 Basically -44:12 Basis - 4:25 Bay - 23:18 Became - 9:16, 9:23 Beckwin - 19:6, 19:7 Become - 11:6 Beginning - 39:22, 119:18 Behind - 51:19, 60:25, 108:23, 109:20 Being - 3:10, 3:14, 4:17, 5:1, 5:2, 5:4, 22:3, 39:20, 46:11, 49:14, 83:15, 83:19, 106:17, 106:22, 107:3, 108:11, 113:20, 126:16 Below - 6:2 Best - 40:16 Between - 19:8, 40:25, 75:19, 95:9, 115:22 Big - 28:19, 126:17, 126:18 Biggest - 17:8 Birth - 7:8, 7:10 Bit - 52:16, 55:16, 86:7, 91:11, 101:4 Bits - 70:11 Board - 24:21 Body - 84:21, 84:22, 85:1, 86:9, 101:8, 101:25, 108:11, 112:25, 117:14 Bogs - 67:19 BOP - 8:9, 9:7, 12:15, 83:18 Both - 4:5, 5:19, 15:22, 28:20, 55:2, 112:2, 125:22 Bottom - 18:23, 29:7 Box - 34:17 Boxers - 90:20, 90:22 Breath - 107:20 Breathing - 111:7 Bring - 106:3, 109:1 Broadcast - 48:18 Brooklyn - 9:14, 130:2 Brought - 93:8 Bruised - 91:11 Bruising - 92:11 Building - 13:21, 124:15, 126:2 Builds - 24:14 Bunch - 56:6 Bunk - 108:12 Bureau - 3:8, 8:21, 11:11, 11:13, 11:20, 19:25, 128:20, 129:23, 130:23 Bus -46:16 Button - 39:5 Buying - 128:21 Buzz - 35:22 Buzzes - 35:23 C Cale - 85:15, 85:16, 86:2, 86:11, 86:12, 92:19 Called - 24:2, 43:9, 83:18, 118:24, 119:14 Calling - 36:10 Calls - 78:17, 78:18, 79:18, 79:25, 80:15, 82:19, 82:20, 82:21, 83:14, 92:22, 103:1 Camera's - 65:8 Camp - 130:5 Captain - 46:13, 49:2, 49:7, 49:11, 49:12, 50:7, 50:8, 50:11, 50:19, 62:14, 127:24 Captain's -49:6 Case - 24:14, 83:19, 83:24 Cause - 51:8, 64:9 Cell - 7:14, 87:16, 89:19, 92:7, 92:9, 105:24, 110:17, 116:16, 117:3, 117:5 Cells - 97:2, 116:23 Center - 3:15, 36:22, 36:23, 38:21, 38:24, 65:11 Central - 74:11, 74:20 Certain - 12:5 Change - 14:25, 17:19, 17:21, 42:6 Changed - 36:2 Channels - 27:5, 27:14 Chaos - 44:10 Charge - 25:11, 82:10 Charles - 19:6, 19:7, 85:15, 86:13, 86:14 Check - 13:23, 14:9, 14:11, 14:13, 82:2, 107:19, 110:20, 111:7, 122:12, 122:15, 122:17, 122:19 Checked - 17:4, 111:21, 111:22 Checking - 17:2 Checklist - 14:16, 15:6 Checks -43:16 EFTA00112212 Chest - 86:3, 87:22, 92:19, 93:6, 103:11, 103:12, 104:9, 107:15, 108:1, 108:10, 117:16 Choose - 5:15 RP 125:10 _ 31:14 Circumstances - 4: 16, 7:4, 58:15 City - 8:3, 9:25, 130:7 Clarify - 7:1 Clean - 62:20 Clear - 68:15, 107:24 Clearly - 120:14 Closed - 74:14, 74:16 Closets - 59:10 CO - 80:3, 80:6 Coercion - 5:23 Coincidence - 64:3 Coincidental - 58:2 1, 58:22, 65:1 College - 7:19, 7:20, 7:21, 7:24, 8:1, 11:24 Color - 131:10 Columbo - 92:21, 92:23, 92:25, 107:22 Comes - 46:2 Comfortable - 128: 16 Coining - 30:5, 35:25, 47:18, 50:22, 51:1, 83:1, 83:10, 126:7 Command - 38:24 Comments - 94:23, 96:3 Common - 30:15, 30:17, 30:24, 32:10, 34:24, 35:3, 37:20 Communication -1 3:22, 14:1 Community - 7:21, 7:25 Company - 43:9 Complain - 62:19 Completely - 58:21 Complex - 9:20, 130:4 Component - 12:5 Compressions - 86 :3, 87:22, 92:19, 103:11, 103:13, 104:9, 107:16, 108:1, 117:16 Computer - 14:5, 24:22, 51:4, 68:3, 71:14, 73:14, 73:20, 112:18 Computers - 16:24, 67:17 Conducted - 3:10, 3:15, 5:2, 5:4 Confident - 106:5 Confusing - 15:20, 116:1 Connected - 73:8 Constant - 121:7 Contact - 24:5, 46:17, 55:8, 130:4 Contractor -11:15 Control - 35:22, 35:23, 36:3, 36:22, 36:23, 38:21, 39:8, 65:11, 80:14 Conversation -118: 7, 127:1, 127:4 Converted - 16:9, 16:15 Copy - 25:20, 79:8, 81:3, 81:5 Cores - 12:5 Corner - 37:11, 37:13, 37:17, 37:19, 108:15, 108:16, 109:1 Corps - 8:16, 12:10, 12:14 Correct - 59:2, 113:4 Correctional - 3:15, 9:14 Corrupt - 71:6, 71:12 CO's - 96:4, 116:25 Couldn't -46:17, 71:16, 71:22, 109:7 Couple - 43:23, 122:10, 124:19 Course - 20:5, 66:15 Court - 83:6 CPR - 90:5, 91:22, 109:24, 109:25 Crack - 36:9 Create - 121:11, 121:12 Created - 25:5, 26:7, 121:1, 121:5 Credentials - 3:7, 4:2 Crime - 117:4, 117:8 Criminal - 5:18 Crossed - 34:3 Current - 7:5, 7:14, 10:17 Curve - 129:21 Custody - 58:5, 93:13, 93:22, 130:2 Cut - 90:8, 91:3, 104:12, 105:21 Cutting - 90:11 D Daily - 13:19, 14:8 Daniels - 3:8, 4:3 Date - 6:12, 7:8, 7:9, 9:3, 17:10, 17:13, 129:1, 129:14 Dates - 10:11, 82:3 Days - 43:23, 81:15, 122:10 Deal - 126:17 Dealing - 118:3 Death - 4:15, 20:19, 20:20, 21:9, 25:13, 25:16, 25:17, 130:5 Decide - 31:25, 56:21 Definitely - 37:20, 37:21, 126:4 Definitively - 53:21 Dennis - 3:18, 4:1, 6:11 Department - 3:5, 3:11, 4:22 Described - 90:14 Desk - 15:18, 99:13, 112:19, 113:22 Devices - 58:18 Dialed - 79:22 Didn't' - 60:2, 91:6, 93:3 Dies - 58:12 Difference - 40:24, 115:22 Different - 24:11, 33:21, 36:6, 41:4, 41:24, 52:16, 52:22, 52:24, 69:23, 70:10, 71:19 Differentiate - 33:2 0, 40:20 Differently - 46:23 Digital - 15:20, 16:1, 16:9, 16:17, 22:24, 65:14 Directing - 89:10 Direction - 31:15, 32:1, 32:7, 66:1 Directly - 8:25, 34:22, 58:6 Discharge - 8:18 Disciplinary - 5:14, 5:18 Disconnect - 62:7 Disconnecting - 62: 3, 62:4 Disheveled - 94:8 Distinctive - 92:9 Document - 24:13 Documented - 50:3 Documents - 20:24 Does - 11:9, 13:18, 40:12, 43:15, 43:16, 62:14, 71:7, 71:11, 74:10, 100:15, 101:17, 123:21 Doesn't - 27:8, 72:9, 76:11 Doesn't' - 5:9, 11:24, 39:13 DOJ - 3:18, 4:14, 4:21, 79:11 Done - 14:24, 73:25, 78:13, 82:2, 91:22, 95:19, 108:2, 129:11 Don't' - 34:7, 93:21 Doors - 36:1, 51:23, 74:13 Downstairs - 15:13, 92:1, 93:5, 101:13 Drawing - 33:13, 35:4 Drew - 33:15 Dry - 55:17 Duration - 80:17 During - 6:19, 6:21, 14:24, 18:11, 19:11, 21:23, 22:14, 23:16, 23:25, 69:21 Duties - 13:19 Duty - 8:15, 9:3, 107:21 E Each - 29:16, 29:20, 29:21, 31:23, 37:8, 100:3 Education - 7:18 Eh - 77:15 Eight - 37:24 Either - 26:18, 126:19 Electrical - 8:7 Electronic - 12:13 Electronics - 4:8, 9:17, 9:23, 10:4, 10:18, 11:5, 11:14, 11:16, 12:12, 13:11 Elevator - 15:10, 85:13, 85:14, 86:10, 87:14, 89:6 Elevators - 35:16 Else - 13:1, 30:12, 54:2, 65:6, 76:9, 84:3, 89:8, 90:25, 96:6, 99:25, 100:1, 100:23, 102:13, 115:3, 124:22, 128:12, 131:22 Email - 81:22 Emailed - 81:24 Emergency - 43:6 Employee -4:24, 6:1 Encoder - 16:16 End - 21:5, 23:23, 23:24, 29:16, 29:19, 31:22, 42:10, 42:17, 46:4, 84:8 Ending - 131:25 Ends - 79:17 Engineer - 8:7 Engineering - 20:25 , 26:2, 26:3 Enhanced - 120:13 Enough - 77:16, 77:18, 105:23 Entail - 13:19 Entailed - 21:10 Enter - 9:3 Entire - 82:24, 111:17 Entrance - 35:13, 35:16 Entry - 66:6 Epstein - 4:16, 7:3, 15:1, 58:9, 79:2, 89:24, 96:11, 103:5, 110:9, 110:12, 116:4, 116:10, 118:13 Epstein% - 20:19, 20:20, 21:9, 25:13, 25:16, 25:17, 99:3, 99:4, 110:16 Equipment - 17:9, 18:24, 131:2 Error - 23:1 Ese - 13:25 Especially - 36:5 Ever - 54:6, 54:9, 55:25, 68:8, 81:3, 108:2, 115:3, 120:13, 126:18, 126:19, 127:8, 127:9 Every - 79:24, 122:13 Everybody - 87:13, 89:11, 117:3, 127:5 Everybody's - 18:1 6, 90:1 Everyone - 3:21 Everything's - 12:9 EFTA00112213 Everywhere - 129:2 2, 130:6, 130:8 Evidence - 5:17, 76:18, 102:14 Exact - 123:5, 123:7 Exactly - 21:10, 28:10, 42:22, 42:24, 48:8, 48:25, 52:17, 90:10, 105:13, 123:24 Ex'd - 72:19 Executive - 3:17 Expecting -130:7 Experience - 12:8 Expert - 119:23 Explain - 22:20, 55:9 F Facilities - 19:3, 25:22, 83:18, 121:25, 125:1, 125:14, 125:18, 130:21, 130:22 Facility - 18:9, 19:7, 19:8, 19:14, 25:10, 25:25, 26:3, 79:25, 121:23, 122:2, 125:7 Facing - 108:19 Fact - 26:8, 33:20, 54:5, 58:8, 123:3, 127:2 Fail - 51:9 Failed - 22:25 Failing - 121:4 Fails - 68:4, 124:2 Failure - 5:7, 5:10 Familiar - 24:7 Fast - 109:14 Favor - 82:1 FBI - 54:18, 55:2, 55:9, 69:2, 70:7, 70:18, 119:19 Fear - 18:16 Fed - 65:13 Federal - 3:7, 8:21, 9:20 Feed - 36:19, 36:22, 39:9, 52:14, 53:6, 65:10, 99:20, 100:7, 100:18, 112:23, 115:24, 116:23 Feeding - 94:17, 99:18, 99:22, 100:4, 100:5, 100:9, 100:16, 100:24, 116:8, 116:9, 116:24 Fence - 46:18, 46:19 Few - 25:16, 43:8, 68:11, 73:20, 81:14, 89:5, 121:2 Field - 3:6, 11:19, 55:14 Figure - 56:14, 125:4, 131:11 Figured - 69:7 File - 71:22, 99:3, 99:4, 99:6, 99:8, 99:11, 99:15 Files - 72:15, 72:16, 72:21, 72:25, 73:3, 113:20, 118:3, 119:6, 119:8 Finally - 71:15 Find - 50:1, 54:6, 68:25, 73:3, 78:18, 78:22, 78:25, 119:24, 119:25 Fine - 28:21, 129:16 Fire - 12:20 Five - 10:7, 17:14 Fix - 46:20, 47:1, 47:6, 47:23, 47:24, 48:1, 56:24, 57:8, 57:14, 57:19, 59:21, 72:10, 121:16, 122:8, 128:7 Floor - 23:4, 65:25, 86:4, 88:2, 88:4, 92:3, 92:20 Fly - 24:16, 57:7 Focus - 40:15 Folder - 25:22 Follow - 66:8, 92:17, 97:6, 108:5 Following - 9:9, 55:11 Food - 85:15, 95:3, 95:6 Forbid - 130:13 Foreman - 25:10, 125:20, 125:24, 125:25, 126:9, 126:13, 126:15 Forgot - 20:4 Form -4:21, 4:22, 5:25, 6:3, 6:5, 6:7 Forth - 35:20, 51:3, 96:1 Found - 69:12, 71:21, 79:5, 116:10, 118:13, 120:2, 120:6 Four - 8:14, 10:7 Free - 109:6 Fresh - 43:12 Friday -13:6, 13:7 Front - 28:13, 29:22, 35:16, 52:1, 76:12, 84:21, 109:19 Fuck - 95:19 Function - 52:17 Funded - 21:7 Furnish - 5:17 Future - 5:17, 123:22 G Garbage - 71:9, 72:2, 72:9 Gates - 88:9 Gathered - 90:2 Gave - 79:4, 79:12, 81:4, 81:6, 81:9, 81:18, 81:19, 81:21, 92:23 General - 3:6, 3:12, 4:23, 5:3, 5:5, 6:9, 12:3, 25:10, 66:1, 66:17, 125:20, 125:23, 125:24, 125:25, 126:9, 126:13, 126:15, 130:23 Gets - 101:8, 116:1 Getting - 51:6, 65:13, 78:18, 131:2 Give - 28:20, 62:25, 73:14, 79:19, 80:8, 93:2 Gives - 11:12 Giving - 25:1, 95:3 God - 130:12 Goes - 15:16, 23:9, 23:10, 24:9, 27:4, 27:10, 27:11, 36:22, 62:17, 65:11, 66:16, 76:12 Gone - 67:1, 67:11, 98:17, 122:4 Good - 16:7, 48:23, 53:8, 72:3, 72:5, 72:7, 77:13, 109:13, 109:20, 128:23, 130:17, 130:18 Gotcha - 128:6 Gotten - 62:12 Government - 11:1 5 Grab - 113:23 Graduate - 9:6 Grainy - 40:16, 77:13, 77:17 Green - 43:5 Grill - 29:23, 100:11, 100:13 Grille - 97:3 Ground - 109:5, 109:8, 109:10 Guardia - 7:25 Guess - 61:14, 61:16, 79:3, 85:3, 110:8 Guy - 51:4, 93:1, 131:11 Guys - 21:11, 33:3, 95:18, 95:19, 96:18, 97:3, 126:25, 130:11 H Half - 9:24, 45:5, 56:19 Hallway - 35:19, 37:3, 85:23 Hand - 6:18, 12:6 Handed - 95:6 Hanging - 104:20, 104:22, 105:3, 105:20 Happen - 63:7, 63:19, 93:21, 101:20, 109:18, 120:22, 122:22, 123:21 Happening - 88:17, 122:20 Happens - 23:13, 128:15 Hard - 16:20, 16:21, 43:11, 43:12, 43:14, 51:5, 70:1, 70:24, 70:25, 122:25 Hardware - 24:10 Has - 5:24, 25:9, 36:6, 36:13, 60:24, 63:1, 66:9, 80:6, 122:4 Hasn't - 14:15 Haute - 9:16, 9:19 Having - 14:2, 17:6, 24:12, 64:1, 119:3, 122:16, 122:25 Head - 88:15, 91:14, 108:18, 108:19 Headphones - 91:1 4 Heard - 84:21, 95:11 Hell - 114:18, 114:22 Help - 24:17, 27:13, 112:23 Helping - 87:19 Her - 94:9, 94:13, 94:16, 95:9, 118:2 He's - 19:24, 77:7, 104:20 Hesitate - 109:16 Hesitation - 109:17 Hey - 14:4, 21:4, 23:3, 36:12, 45:23, 46:13, 49:7, 56:19, 62:20, 64:17, 118:17, 127:9, 128:5, 130:11, 131:6 High - 130:4 Highest - 7:17 Hip - 36:7 Hit - 39:5, 85:1 Hm - 13:2, 33:20 Hmm - 16:10, 45:10, 50:13, 58:10, 108:13 Hmph - 3:9 HOFFMAN - 11:7, 41:12, 125:25 Hold - 81:20, 105:20 Holding - 105:9, 105:14, 105:15, 108:21, 108:23 Home - 7:5, 46:24, 47:1, 47:6, 56:23 Honest - 114:21 Honestly - 102:21, 103:8 Honing - 117:21 Honorable - 8:17 Hope - 128:15 Hospital - 93:8 Hour - 17:25, 62:24, 84:9, 93:15, 111:18 Hours - 17:17 House - 74:17, 121:18, 121:20 Housing - 29:3, 93:14, 130:1 Hughwon - 4:6 Huh - 40:23 Hung - 80:19 I I'd - 128:5 Idea - 22:12, 53:10, 109:21, 120:15 Identify - 3:21 I'll - 6:23, 6:24, 28:20, 35:2, 35:4, 45:6, 49:12, 49:13, 62:19, 88:5, 99:20, 128:8 Improvements - 12 9:3 Incident - 66:21, 76:21, 78:12 Indiana - 9:19, 130:3 Indiscernible - 26:1 3, 28:16, 32:3, 32:4, 32:6, 51:20, 73:23, EFTA00112214 77:21, 106:9, 125:9 Individual - 100:3 Information - 4:25, 5:1, 70:17, 79:20, 97:12, 126:20 Initial - 118:7 Initially - 94:21, 106:22, 113:1, 116:18 Inmate - 4:15, 7:2, 58:11, 80:1, 80:6, 82:19, 93:19, 105:19, 109:13 Inmates - 35:13, 83:13, 95:9, 95:11, 95:14, 95:24, 100:21, 109:12, 109:19, 109:20, 110:15, 113:17 Inner - 36:7, 36:14, 88:12 Inside - 27:15, 36:7, 36:15, 88:20, 88:22, 117:3 Inspector - 3:5, 3:12, 4:23, 5:3, 5:5, 6:9 Install - 18:23 Installed - 18:25, 124:9, 124:10, 124:17, 124:18, 124:19, 124:21 Instance - 129:25 Institution - 17:11, 24:25, 57:6, 74:9, 82:24, 83:2, 128:17, 129:15, 129:25 Institutions - 18:15, 129:10, 129:14 Intentionally - 67:9 Interactions - 95:9 Interesting -68:14 Interview - 3:7, 3:14, 3:19, 4:19, 5:13, 6:16, 6:19, 6:21, 7:2, 131:25 Interviewed - 119:1 9, 119:20 Into - 4:15, 22:7, 23:11, 23:12, 55:23, 59:11, 62:12, 62:22, 62:25, 76:9, 88:8, 99:4, 110:16 Invest - 130:23 Investigation - 3:13 , 4:15, 5:2, 5:4, 5:6, 5:11, 128:14 Involve - 11:9 Involved - 97:10 Involving - 5:11 IP - 21:13, 67:15, 67:16, 68:3, 129:21 Isn't - 14:4, 23:8, 45:23, 67:18 Issue - 68:9 Issues - 67:15, 68:12, 122:25, 130:18 Its - 43:16 Itself - 21:18, 21:19 I've - 10:14, 45:23, 46:13, 46:23, 77:19, 108:5, 122:19, 128:10, 129:9, 129:16 J Jail - 46:15, 46:16, 46:18, 47:4, 67:8, 127:21, 130:7 January - 7:10 Jean - 85:18, 86:16, 87:7, 89:9, 94:23 Jeffrey - 4:15, 7:3 Job - 5:6, 5:10, 12:8, 12:10, 12:17, 12:24, 14:8, 19:17, 49:8, 52:13, 78:5, 93:12, 95:18, 111:2, 111:4 July - 3:2, 3:13, 6:13, 77:23, 77:24, 118:11, 131:24 Justice - 3:5, 3:12, 4:23 K Keep - 39:14, 92:23, 119:8, 129:13 Keeping - 32:6 Kept - 26:4, 91:25, 130:11 Key - 36:6, 36:14, 39:1, 39:3, 51:19, 51:20, 60:3, 61:17, 66:6, 89:4 Keypad - 38:19 Keys - 62:24 Kill - 59:11, 97:2 Killed - 95:15, 95:16, 95:17, 96:9, 96:11, 96:17, 96:18, 97:3, 97:13, 110:25, 111:10, 111:12 Knowledge - 53:21 Known - 52:11, 53:3, 57:25, 128:3 Knows - 27:5, 43:13, 51:4, 72:10, 74:7, 117:3 L La - 7:25 Labeled - 37:4 Lane - 95:3, 95:21, 99:13, 99:17, 99:23, 100:17 LARGENT - 15:4 Last - 3:22, 4:4, 4:7, 17:17, 20:3 Later - 17:4, 69:5, 84:9 Laying - 91:18, 106:9, 106:11, 106:13, 106:18, 106:24 Layman - 39:21 Layman's - 55:23, 71:7 Layne - 111:18, 112:2, 112:8, 112:21, 117:22 Learn - 126:18 Learned - 131:4 Least - 123:22 Leave -42:7, 46:17, 111:15, 127:18, 127:21, 131:18 Leaves - 76:14 Leaving - 60:2 Left - 57:21, 75:3, 75:16, 76:1, 76:25, 84:7, 102:18, 113:7, 116:17, 116:19, 117:12 Legal - 79:18, 79:20, 79:25 Legrand - 85:16, 86:11, 86:12 Legs - 108:19 Let - 6:23, 30:15, 34:11, 36:12, 57:23, 76:19, 94:16, 99:19, 127:25 Let's - 25:3, 27:5, 28:19, 28:22, 34:4, 75:24, 80:5, 85:10, 88:8 Letters - 31:8 Level - 7:17, 12:5 Levels - 29:5 Lieutenant - 85:17, 85:18, 86:16, 87:7, 89:9, 93:25, 94:2, 94:23, 111:22, 112:11 Lieutenants -49:13 , 73:18 Lieutenant's - 38:2 2 Life - 21:5, 110:10, 110:13, 116:4 Lifesaving - 101:10 Light - 131:10 Line - 6:8, 77:20, 82:17, 83:19 Lines - 57:2 List - 18:23, 22:13 Listen - 15:14 Little - 15:19, 52:16, 55:16, 67:16, 80:24, 83:15, 85:25, 86:7, 91:11, 93:20, 94:8, 101:4 Live - 36:18, 36:19, 36:22, 38:13, 38:16, 52:14, 53:6, 65:10, 65:11, 65:13, 72:21, 73:22, 115:23 Located - 3:16 Lock - 116:23 Locked - 51:19, 67:8, 116:24, 117:19 Log - 74:21, 79:15, 80:16 Logged - 74:1, 82:6 Logs - 80:20, 81:3, 81:6, 81:9, 81:10, 82:11 Long - 8:20, 66:20, 79:16, 79:23, 80:17, 80:22, 116:13, 116:20, 122:7 Longer - 19:24, 27:13 Look - 14:5, 14:14, 16:2, 16:5, 20:23, 22:13, 39:24, 52:14, 52:15, 52:25, 53:16, 69:6, 72:14, 73:13, 77:15, 78:16, 89:23 Looked - 73:22, 76:24, 76:25, 94:7 Looking - 29:8, 29:22, 30:16, 30:18, 32:12, 32:17, 34:10, 37:4, 52:5, 53:2, 68:23, 72:6, 72:8, 131:9 Looks - 37:5, 53:8, 69:16, 109:13 Lost - 131:15 Low - 130:5 Lower - 29:9, 32:14 Lowering - 104:25 Luck - 124:10 3:2, 3:3, 3:20, 3:23, 131:23 M Machine - 14:4, 85:23, 93:2, 93:4, 109:6 Mad - 120:5 Made - 5:23, 48:4, 48:9, 48:11, 48:14, 54:1, 57:16, 58:25, 69:22, 79:7, 94:22, 96:3, 126:4, 130:19 Mail - 14:3 Main - 21:15, 24:22, 60:24 Mainly - 73:12 Maintain - 78:7, 78:10, 81:17 Maintained - 25:19, 26:5, 80:20, 121:18, 121:20 Maintenance - 62:1 9, 67:6, 128:21 Major - 8:6 Majority - 21:22, 22:2 Making - 55:10, 56:17, 78:17, 92:21, 95:16, 95:17, 113:16 Malaise - 87:14 Management - 18:1 0, 19:19, 19:21 Manager - 18:9, 19:3, 19:7, 19:14, 25:10, 25:25, 26:4, 121:23, 122:2, 125:1, 125:7, 125:15, 125:18, 125:23 Managers - 19:8 Manipulate - 74:1 Manipulated - 61:2 2, 113:20 Manipulating -118: 3 Manually - 74:4 Many - 29:4, 39:22, 45:3, 92:2 Map - 28:9 March - 8:22, 8:24, 9:4, 9:10, 11:7 Marine - 8:15, 12:10, 12:14 Mark - 28:15, 31:6, 31:10, 31:13, 35:7 Marshals - 83:6 Match - 31:7, 68:1 Matrix - 15:19, 15:20, 15:21, 38:13, 38:14, 38:17 Matter - 119:23 Matthew - 20:25 EFTA00112215 Mattresses - 92:3 May - 5:17, 105:2 MCC - 6:14, 9:12, 10:2, 10:3, 10:6, 10:13, 39:23, 130:15 MCC's - 129:19 Mean - 5:9, 11:24, 12:2, 36:21, 40:12, 45:22, 60:21, 67:4, 71:7, 71:11, 83:4, 84:23, 84:25, 98:8, 101:17, 105:14, 117:15, 128:16 Meaning - 13:14 Means - 5:10, 43:11, 50:14, 71:21, 71:24 Meant - 49:1, 70:20, 110:25, 129:19 Measures - 101:11 Medical - 86:1, 91:25, 92:17, 92:21, 92:25, 93:1, 93:7, 111:15, 117:15 Medium - 130:4 Member - 82:19, 82:21 Members - 73:21 Mention - 19:22, 98:10 Mentioned - 14:7, 19:3, 19:18, 20:5, 92:10, 120:24, 120:25 Mess - 59:11, 62:5, 69:24, 94:25 Messed - 62:1 Messing - 64:14 titan - 3:15 - 86:25, 11.011:21 Middle - 44:9 Might - 57:22, 70:12, 81:24, 87:9, 111:21 Military - 8:13, 11:14 Mind - 32:22 Minutes - 18:1, 110:4 Mistaken - 120:25 Mix - 68:1 Mixture - 15:22 Mm - 13:2, 16:10, 45:10, 50:13, 58:10, 67:2, 92:8, 108:8, 108:13, 126:21 Modem - 17:12 Money - 20:13, 21:7, 121:10, 121:15, 130:9, 130:10, 130:24 Monitor - 53:3, 61:10 Monitored - 83:16 Monitors - 53:1 Month - 80:24, 122:14 Months - 24:20, 121:7 More - 14:18, 17:13, 20:12, 51:4, 68:2, 77:20, 97:17, 120:14, 122:16, 128:20, 128:22, 129:23, 130:14, 130:23 Morning - 13:15, 15:9, 47:19, 47:20, 69:14, 69:15, 84:15, 94:18 Most - 58:9, 68:5, 73:17, 77:16 Mother - 24:21, 95:20 Motherboard - 123: 12 Move - 69:22, 84:4, 90:2, 91:4, 104:15, 107:9, 108:24, 109:21, 113:24 Moved - 9:25, 35:13, 106:17, 106:22, 107:3, 109:24 Moves - 109:15 Moving - 35:20, 64:16, 64:18, 89:25, 91:20, 104:24 Ms - 85:14, 85:21, 86:13, 86:14, 86:18 Multiple - 45:16 Myself - 60:18, 99:19 N Nah - 60:17, 74:23, 80:12, 81:23 Name - 3:3, 3:22, 3:25, 4:4, 4:6, 4:7, 6:2, 7:23, 20:4, 77:3, 86:21 Nature - 109:10 N'diaya - 20:9, 20:10 N'diaye - 78:20, 78:21 Near - 98:21, 114:13, 117:23 Necessarily - 72:1 Neck - 91:5, 91:11, 92:12 Need - 46:21, 101:20, 105:24 Needed - 18:6, 51:12, 74:21, 85:22, 123:16 Needs - 40:14, 129:7, 129:11 Network - 73:8, 73:11, 74:10, 74:15 Newer - 18:2, 24:8, 68:6, 68:13, 74:3 Nice - 73:13 Night - 58:12, 69:5, 73:4, 78:18, 97:21, 110:23 Nine - 38:5 Nobile - 125:10 Nobody - 19:12, 44:8, 54:24, 93:12, 113:21 Nobody's - 47:1 Noel - 85:21, 86:18, 86:19, 86:22, 86:23, 89:1, 94:3, 94:22, 96:15, 98:14, 100:8, 117:22, 117:23 None - 80:5, 109:12 Nope - 77:21 Normal - 10:23, 10:24 Normally - 10:22 Notice - 100:23, 113:20 Notification - 44:1, 46:22, 47:13, 48:5, 48:6, 48:9, 48:14, 54:1, 56:18, 57:16 Notifications - 92:2 2, 126:5 Notified - 49:10, 49:18, 50:15, 50:19, 125:18 Notify -46:13, 49:6, 49:9, 49:11, 49:17, 50:7, 64:17, 67:6, 125:22, 126:1 Notorious - 58:9 Number - 7:12, 7:15, 34:4, 34:5, 34:6, 34:10, 75:4 Numbers - 31:7 O Oath - 6:17 Obtain - 70:23 Obviously - 104:19 Off - 9:13, 28:15, 58:19, 64:15, 78:13, 85:10, 86:10, 91:4, 103:16, 103:17, 103:19, 103:22, 103:25, 104:2, 104:4, 131:25, 132:1 Officer - 8:11, 9:14, 36:6, 36:23, 55:14, 85:4, 85:16, 85:20, 85:21, 89:3, 94:3, 98:21, 113:13 Officers - 85:19, 85:20, 94:21, 96:10, 96:13, 96:14, 112:22 Officers' - 34:13, 34:15, 34:19, 34:22, 117:23 Officer's - 31:3 Official - 3:11, 4:14 OIC - 99:11 OIG - 3:18, 4:14, 4:21 Older - 68:7, 68:13 Once - 17:1, 23:13, 97:22, 97:24, 98:6, 122:17 Ones - 27:20, 41:6, 42:24, 44:25, 45:1, 68:13, 115:4 Online - 124:9 Open - 71:22, 72:25, 88:9, 88:11, 88:12, 88:13, 97:2, 116:17, 116:19 Opening - 100:11, 100:12, 100:19, 100:20 Opposed - 81:22 Orange - 90:19, 90:20, 90:22, 90:23 Order - 25:5, 25:8, 26:6, 26:7, 96:8, 118:8, 118:16, 121:1, 121:12, 121:14, 124:12 Ordered - 18:22, 63:12, 124:8 Orders - 25:16, 25:18, 25:19, 121:3, 121:19 Organized - 63:16 OS - 34:19 Other - 18:14, 27:13, 27:17, 37:22, 49:13, 62:11, 66:24, 70:21, 79:25, 87:12, 97:12, 115:4, 124:23, 129:10, 129:14, 130:20, 130:22 Otherwise - 54:20 Our - 4:18, 24:14, 38:24, 66:15, 111:24, 118:7 Outbox - 82:2 Outer - 36:9 Outside - 32:16, 32:19, 32:23, 68:20, 74:8, 88:21, 88:24, 89:1, 89:3, 100:13 Overall - 11:21, 129:23 Overboard - 55:16 Overload - 67:17 Oversee - 30:23 Overtime - 18:13, 47:16, 47:21, 50:21, 50:25, 129:16 Own - 100:3, 110:10, 110:13, 112:3, 112:5, 116:4, 119:7 P PA - 86:1, 107:21 Papers - 114:2 Paperwork - 21:3, 118:4, 118:20, 118:22 Park - 3:16 Part - 3:11, 5:2, 46:21, 51:7, 60:1, 63:18, 68:5, 78:4, 78:11, 93:9, 101:21, 126:18 Partner - 40:2 Parts - 24:25, 51:6 Passed - 126:19 Password - 73:13 Passwords - 73:14 Past - 45:20, 64:12, 74:19 PBX - 78:10 People - 18:14, 38:19, 51:15, 53:21, 65:7, 77:16, 87:4, 87:19, 89:5, 100:7, 115.9, 126:19 Per - 30:7, 67:22 Perfect - 35:6 Performance - 5:6, 5:10 Performing - 90:5 Person - 47:2, 50:6, 59:13, 76:22 Pertains - 5:6 Phones - 13:23, 15:11, 78:2, 78:8, 80:1 Phonetic - 19:6, 20:3, 20:10, 21:1 EFTA00112216 Photo - 51:19 Physical - 131:6 Physically - 23:2, 81:21, 108:23 Picked - 80:18 Picking - 87:18 Pieces - 70:11 Place - 6:16, 46:22, 100:24, 130:3 Planning - 47:23 Please - 3:21, 4:21, 5:24, 6:1, 6:17, 6:23 Plus - 63:14 Point - 20:8, 23:20, 23:22, 24:5, 26:16, 28:22, 29:12, 31:14, 36:17, 63:24, 73:15, 120:8, 123:17 Pointed - 34:21, 37:7 Pointing - 30:19, 32:1, 32:7 Pop - 36:24 Popping - 65:12 Pops - 36:3 Population - 93:19 Port - 88:12, 115:5 Position - 10:17, 13:9, 13:19, 104:25, 105:1, 106:6, 107:7, 107:8, 107:10, 125:13 Positive -48:10, 49:17, 126:4 Possibly - 25:5, 25:6, 41:12, 55:18, 78:17, 87:6 Potentially - 56:8 Power - 58:19, 59:8, 59:11 Practice - 47:3, 57:1 Present - 3:17, 8:23, 54:21 Preservation - 78:1 3 Preserving - 102:14 Pressure - 5:23 Previously - 24:20 Print - 6:2 Prior - 8:9, 23:16, 102:4, 107:25, 121:1, 124:5, 124:6 Priority - 18:25 Prison - 9:22 Prisons - 3:8, 8:21 Private - 11:15 Proactive - 128:20, 129:24 Proactivity - 130:14 Probable - 66:9 Problem - 14:2, 18:19, 22:3, 23:9, 24:6, 24:13, 27:1, 41:5, 41:8, 45:22, 53:11, 53:18, 60:1, 64:2, 121:11, 121:13, 124:8, 128:4, 130:12 Problems - 21:2, 23:11, 23:12, 64:1, 67:19, 68:6, 119:4, 121:4, 122:16 Proceedings - 5:18, 5:19 Process - 17:7, 24:18, 110:2 Project - 18:12, 18:15, 20:18, 21:8, 21:10, 44:9, 51:2, 63:15 Promises - 5:22 Property - 49:6, 60:7 Protected - 79:19 Provide - 4:17, 4:25, 5:1, 12:15, 79:8, 97:11 Provided - 82:9 Providing - 96:3 Pull - 43:11, 43:23 Pulling -43:22 Pulse - 107:20, 107:23 Pumping - 93:5 Purchased - 23:17 Pursuant - 5:4 Putting - 43:12, 67:15 Q Question - 48:25, 73:25, 88:7, 108:6, 116:8, 122:21 Questioned - 54:9, 54:12 Questions - 4:18, 5:14, 5:16, 5:22, 6:22, 55:20, 66:8, 97:6 Quick - 121:16 Quite - 102:10 R I R&D - 80:15, 83:5 Radio -15:9, 15:14, 48:18 Radios - 13:23, 13:24, 15:15 Raise - 6:17 Ran - 84:22 Random - 123:15 Re - 40:15, 41:21 React - 94:12 Readily - 122:17 Real - 33:15, 71:17, 120:2 Reason - 61:21, 67:24, 68:22, 76:15, 80:11, 81:20, 110:9, 117:2 Reasonably - 58:13 Reasons - 51:21 Rebuild - 45:22, 45:23 Rebuilding - 43:10, 43:11, 57:23 Receive - 11:19 Received - 70:16, 117:24 Receiving - 107:15 Recoding - 22:18, 71:2 Recognize - 28:25 Recollection - 30:8 Record - 3:22, 4:5, 27:5, 27:10, 27:12, 48:22, 72:2, 124:11 Recorder - 16:17, 17:22, 41:24, 42:23, 42:25, 59:12, 64:15, 67:21, 71:2, 75:10, 123:9, 123:10, 123:11, 123:14, 131:25, 132:1 Recordings - 61:12, 61:15, 67:4, 70:1, 70:2, 78:13 Records - 26:4, 72:11, 119:14 Recovered - 70:3, 70:18 Rectified - 66:9, 66:12, 129:7 Redo - 23:18 Redundancy - 26:1 8, 63:21 Redundant - 23:6, 27:3, 27:4, 67:21, 124:1 Referring - 96:13 Regard - 54:10, 55:2, 97:6, 97:12 Regarding - 7:2 Regards - 99:2 Region - 75:1 Regional - 21:4, 24:15, 121:12 Regular - 8:16, 55:14 Relation - 33:16 Relieve - 102:21, 102:23, 102:24 Remember - 17:2, 37:23, 47:9, 48:3, 51:7, 54:7, 54:16, 85:19, 85:22, 88:11, 103:9, 103:10, 103:14, 103:21, 104:1, 106:17 Remotely - 74:22 Repairman - 8:16 Repeat - 6:24 Rephrase - 6:24 Replace - 24:23 Replaced - 123:13, 123:16 Replacing - 57:22 Request - 57:13 Requested -4:24 Required - 74:20 Responded - 101:2 5 Responding - 112:2 2 Responsible - 50:6 Retired - 77:7 Retrieve - 71:16, 71:21 Retrieved - 71:6 Returned - 19:24, 75:20 Reverse - 96:8 Review - 4:21, 5:25 Round - 24:25, 98:24 Rounds - 30:5, 63:10, 95:17, 95:18, 97:15, 97:17, 97:18, 97:20, 98:1, 98:11, 110:21, 110:22, 111:6, 113:16 Row - 3:16, 130:5 Rowdy - 93:20 Run - 23:11, 46:22 Running - 30:9, 39:2, 39:9 Runs - 23:12 S Sally - 37:4, 37:5, 37:25, 65:25, 88:11, 115:5, 115:11, 115:19 Same - 24:9, 31:8, 45:21, 75:6, 75:8, 75:9, 77:1, 88:7, 95:5, 99:23, 123:4, 123:5, 123:7, 123:11, 131:11 Saturday - 13:6, 69:16, 69:18 Savvy - 131:15 Saw - 17:8, 33:3, 43:3, 43:7, 75:1, 85:7, 87:18, 92:10, 103:5, 106:7, 122:3, 122:12 Says - 6:1, 72:4 Scan - 81:23 Scene - 87:4, 117:4, 117:8 Schedule - 13:12 School - 12:20 Screen - 15:17, 39:10 Scrolling - 39:14 Scrounge - 23:15, 24:25 Se - 67:22 Seasons - 17:21 Seated - 107:6 Second - 23:10, 23:12, 27:11, 32:4, 34:6, 86:4, 92:20, 109:10 Secondary - 52:1 Seconds - 110:5 Sector - 11:16 Secure - 117:14 Secured - 61:4, 61:7, 61:9, 61:10, 116:17, 117:7, 117:11, 117:17, 117:18 Security - 5:7, 7:11, 8:11 Seeing - 17:3, 37:23, 41:8, 109:12 Seem - 110:4 Seemed - 110:4 Seen - 52:19 Sees - 36:23 Send - 46:21, 55:15 Senior - 3:18, 3:25, 6:10 Sense - 55:10, 57:18 Sent - 55:14, 70:2 Served - 8:20 Server - 16:22, 16:24 Service - 8:13, 51:4, 85:15 Services - 73:14, 73:20 Set - 14:12, 14:17 Settle - 94:19, 113:17 EFTA00112217 Settled - 93:19 Seven - 37:16 Shame - 83:25 She'll - 26:1 She's - 112:11 Shift - 10:19, 14:24, 84:9, 84:14 Shipping - 124:14 Shirt - 90:20, 90:23, 103:6, 103:8, 103:16, 103:17, 103:24 105:4 Situation - 55:3, 123:5 Situations - 74:19 Six - 24:20, 37:9, 121:7 Slips - 98:24 Slot - 45:10, 100:20 Smart - 131:10 Social - 7:11 Socks - 90:21 Software - 18:17, Spend - 20:13 Spent - 121:10 Spoken - 55:1, 126:23 Staff - 73:21, 82:19, 82:21, 101:14, 105:24, 131:3 Staffed - 93:11 Stage - 43:22 Stair - 33:9 Stairs - 89:13 Standard - 14:12, 63:23, 74:2 Stopped - 27:21, 75:16, 98:11 Stops - 67:20 Stored - 61:15 Street - 7:6 Stress - 122:11 Stressed - 94:9 Stretcher - 85:23, 85:25, 87:20, 87:24, 90:3, 90:4, 91:21, 104:13, 104:18, Talk - 54:4, 54:14, 58:4, 70:7, 78:2, 94:13, 113:17 Talked - 18:10, 20:5, 41:15 Talking - 12:7, 31:20, 32:25, 41:1, 44:16, 55:19, 61:3, 80:14, 83:13, 114:9, 124:4, 130:20 Tamper - 51:18, 59:13 Shock - 107:24 23:1, 24:9, 53:15, 14:17, 14:20, 17:25, 106:3, 107:18, Tampered - 58:24, Short - 93:11 53:16, 67:18, 72:23, 56:25 109:6, 109:11 59:18, 62:9, 76:24 Shot - 92:23 120:21 Standing - 88:18, String - 28:2 Tampering - 51:15, Should - 14:13, Some - 7:19, 26:17, 100:13 Subject - 119:22 58:18 14:18, 14:23, 17:25, 26:23, 27:14, 27:17, Star - 31:24 Submit - 24:14 Tangible - 71:17, 24:18, 25:21, 26:4, 27:25, 28:3, 36:3, Started - 9:13, Submitted - 21:3 89:25 30:1, 31:8, 38:6, 39:20, 42:2, 44:23, 11:13, 18:12, 20:18, Such - 50:7, 126:17, Tatum - 20:10 50:18, 57:11, 64:15, 90:12 21:2, 57:21, 63:14, 126:18 Tay - 52:8, 77:3, 112:11, 118:18, Somebody's - 14:5 86:2, 90:3, 98:25, Suicide - 94:10, 77:4, 77:5 128:12 Someone - 35:21, 104:18, 108:10, 117:4 TDY - 101:14 Shouldn't - 18:2 47:5, 50:7, 65:25, 116:24 Supervisor - 44:4, Tech - 20:25, 24:12, Show - 22:25, 28:8, 74:10, 74:20, 87:12, Starter -12:6 44:6, 46:24, 48:7, 26:2, 26:3, 52:8, 30:4, 62:19, 118:23, 102:22, 105:14 Starting - 6:15, 62:7 48:8, 49:11, 49:17, 52:9, 76:10, 77:2 124:11 Someone's - 114:13 Starts -43:14, 50:1, 50:4, 50:16, Technical - 55:15 Shower - 79:3 Something's - 24:6, 43:15, 43:16, 79:17 50:17, 50:18, 53:23, Technician -4:9, Showing - 45:3, 43:7 State - 4:4 53:24, 54:1, 56:18, 9:17, 9:23, 10:4, 115:8, 118:20 Sometime - 66:25 Stated - 5:20, 18:18 58:7, 79:13, 124:25 10:18, 11:5, 13:11 Shown - 30:3 Sometimes - 67:18, Statement - 5:16, Supervisors - 127:2 Telephone - 12:19 Shut -17:22 83:22, 122:9 5:21, 112:4, 112:6, Supply - 59:8 Telephones - 13:23 Shutting - 17:19, Somewhere - 25:22 112:9, 112:12, Support - 24:12 Tell - 6:18, 40:3, 17:23 , 50:3, 94:2 112:15, 113:4, Supposed - 27:2, 47:5, 49:13, 62:18, SIA - 38:23 Soon - 23:10, 27:9, 130:20 36:9, 46:12, 49:2 65:5, 91:7, 108:22, Side - 23:7, 23:8, 27:11, 43:3, 59:16, Statements - 94:22, Surround - 7:4 115:25, 121:12, 23:19, 24:9, 26:20, 84:20, 89:20, 111:24, 112:2, Surrounding - 4:16, 127:10 27:2, 27:4, 27:6, 107:17, 120:2 112:17 58:15 Telling - 53:17, 27:7, 27:23, 28:1, Sorry - 77:25, 88:5, States - 4:22, 5:19, Suspicion - 58:14 55:12 28:4, 28:5, 34:8, 116:3 8:15 Swear - 6:18 Tells - 107:23 65:14, 65:15, 92:14 Sound - 15:19 Station - 31:4, Switch - 78:10 Ten - 17:14, 17:16, Sides - 92:13, 92:15 Sp - 19:6, 20:3, 34:14, 34:15, 34:20, Switched - 123:8 18:1, 21:25, 22:11, Sign - 6:1 20:10, 21:1 34:22, 98:21, Sync - 43:14 35:8, 40:9, 41:16, Signal - 16:16, Space - 105:17, 113:14, 117:23 Systems - 20:15 41:17, 41:21 16:17 105:25 Stay - 46:20, 57:9, Terms - 55:23, 71:7 Signature - 6:1, 6:8, Spaghetti - 62:5 57:14, 57:18, T Terre - 9:16, 9:19 6:12 Signet - 24:4, 43:9, 118:8, 118:21, 121:18, 131:5 Signing - 6:7, 6:8, 6:11 Simple -14:3, 17:18 Since - 8:22, 10:13, 10:14, 11:23, 14:7, 57:17, 67:1, 81:18, 93:11, 119:12, 122:16 Sit - 56:13 Sits - 39:13 Sitting - 97:21, Speaking - 83:6 Special - 3:1, 3:4, 3:18, 3:20, 3:23, 3:25, 6:7, 6:9, 6:10, 29:2, 93:14, 131:23 Specialized - 11:10 Specific - 8:5, 96:13 Specifically - 7:2, 11:19, 11:25, 26:7, 44:17, 50:24, 96:21 Specified - 65:5 Speed - 129:19, 129:20, 130:16 Spell - 3:22, 4:5, 77:6 107:24, 117:5 Stayed - 9:24, 57:11, 69:4, 101:14, 102:7, 102:10 Steal - 20:2 Step - 25:3, 86:6 Steps - 21:6 Still - 19:24, 21:20, 25:19, 28:10, 81:17, 86:3, 93:4, 93:5, 94:4, 102:19, 113:8, 129:1, 129:2, 129:7 Stockpiled - 18:22 Stood - 92:6 Stop - 23:13, 63:19, Take - 14:4, 16:16, 23:14, 24:19, 27:8, 43:17, 43:23, 63:20, 72:14, 77:25, 99:25, 103:15, 103:16, 110:10, 114:2, 122:7, 123:1, 131:7 Taken - 5:15, 57:22, 61:22, 91:23, 123:20, 123:25 Takes - 15:23, 15:25, 17:22, 43:19 Taking - 79:2, 100:23, 103:21, 104:2, 131:17 Than - 17:13, 49:13, 51:5, 62:12, 79:25, 87:12 Thank - 12:25, 131:16, 131:21 Their - 36:7, 39:10, 59:24, 60:6, 76:18, 83:13, 110:20, 111:1, 111:3, 111:6, 119:7 Themselves - 3:21, 59:20 These - 3:6, 4:2, 25:18, 25:19, 31:6, 37:21, 55:19, 119:2, EFTA00112218 121:17, 126:17 They'll - 14:3 They've - 67:11, 70:21 Things - 18:4, 63:16, 71:20, 95:11, 111:21, 119:2, 122:15, 130:8 Thinking - 46:6, 63:11 Third - 23:4, 65:25 Thirty -18:1 Thomas - 85:21, 86:24, 87:1, 87:2, 87:18, 88:19, 88:20, 94:22, 96:15, 98:17 Though - 18:24, 38:9, 44:12, 64:13, 87:24, 91:12, 112:9, 112:21, 115:8, 126:16 Thought - 51:25, 83:17, 99:21, 129:18 Thoughts - 129:18 Threats - 5:22 Three - 98:15 Through - 24:17, 24:24, 25:9, 27:6, 39:12, 39:14, 39:25, 43:15, 105:12 Throughout - 82:23 Throw - 46:15, 64:15, 83:23 Throwing - 65:9 Thursday - 3:2, 131:24 Tiers - 68:7 Times - 17:20, 39:10, 45:16 Tide -4:8, 124:25 Today - 3:2, 3:13, 24:13 Told -44:3, 49:19, 74:12, 127:17 Tomorrow - 56:24, 128:8 Ton - 45:8 Took - 19:14, 19:17, 70:25, 71:1, 71:3, 85:24, 86:3, 92:1, 92:16, 93:5, 103:18, 110:4, 110:5, 110:13, 116:4, 117:15 Tools - 12:6 Top - 31:11, 32:11, 33:18, 35:5, 89:15, 128:22 Topic - 84:4 Total - 38:6 Totally - 41:4, 105:18 Touch - 64:7 Tough - 90:17 Tova - 86:22, 86:23, 94:22 Toward - 31:14 Towards - 23:22, 42:17, 65:17, 65:23 Traffic - 15:14 Train - 131:3 Training - 9:7, 11:10, 11:18, 12:11, 12:15, 12:21, 131:1, 131:6, 131:18 Transfers - 15:25 Transpired - 101:21 , 111:25 Transportation - 8: 11 Tried - 72:18, 90:2, 93:2, 120:1 Troubleshoot - 12:4 , 24:17 Troubleshooting - 118:15 Troubleshot - 45:20 Truth - 6:18, 6:19 Try - 6:24, 56:14, 59:12, 70:2, 72:25, 73:3, 80:8, 94:18, 97:2, 104:15, 105:20, 109:21, 113:16 Trying - 15:6, 21:12, 21:13, 46:15, 55:22, 59:13, 63:15, 69:5, 90:8, 91:3, 104:12, 105:11, 107:9, 108:24, 108:25, 113:23, 121:9, 121:10, 128:7 TSA - 8:10, 8:25 TVs - 122:14 Turn - 15:14, 88:5 Turned - 58:18 Turning - 131:24, 132:1 TV - 61:9 Type - 107:6 U Umm - 40:15 Unable - 71:6 Under - 6:8, 6:16, 46:15 Understand - 5:20, 5:25, 6:3, 6:4, 6:22, 39:21 Unit - 29:3, 85:20, 93:14, 111:15, 130:1 United - 8:15 Unplug - 63:20 Until - 19:1, 46:20, 72:10, 86:4, 92:20, 102:8, 109:24 Updated - 28:12, 28:14 Upgrade - 18:16, 21:6, 21:14, 63:19 Upgraded - 18:6, 51:12, 66:15, 121:9 Upgrades - 20:12 Upgrading - 21:11, 21:15 Upper - 18:10, 19:19, 19:21, 29:6, 29:9, 29:10, 29:12, 32:13, 32:15, 32:16, 32:17 Upright - 106:6, 107:6 Upset - 96:23 Upstairs - 23:3, 60:11, 85:18, 86:1, 86:17, 93:3, 117:18 Us - 82:1, 85:22 Use - 12:6, 16:15, 31:5, 71:12, 72:23 Used - 5:17, 5:24, 16:15, 52:7 Usually - 14:2, 15:8, 15:9, 24:5, 24:17, 39:12, 43:4, 60:17, 68:12, 73:13, 76:12, 89:2, 99:10, 105:20, 109:9, 109:10, 117:5, 125:21 V Vendor - 55:8, 70:7 Verbally - 48:15 Very - 42:12, 51:13, 64:22, 87:4 Via - 81:22 View - 77:14 Viewed - 77:13 Viewing - 31:17 Vision - 73:13 Visiting - 19:16 Voice - 14:3 Voluntarily - 4:17 Voluntary - 4:19, 4:25, 5:12 W Wait - 17:21, 19:1, 45:25, 109:15 Waiver - 5:19 Walk - 24:24, 76:20, 88:8, 88:14, 89:12, 105:12, 108:11, 122:22, 126:1 Walkaround - 66:14 Walked - 90:6, 91:18, 92:6, 108:9 Want - 7:1, 48:20, 49:24, 70:6, 82:16, 109:12, 109:19, 119:24, 124:24 Wanted - 20:11, 28:15, 63:12, 117:25, 120:3 Warden - 19:24, 20:2, 20:7, 49:3, 50:9, 54:14, 55:2, 62:15, 73:18, 78:15, 78:20, 79:13 Wardens - 20:6 Warehouse - 18:21 Warning - 83:15 Warnings - 4:24, 5:20 Watch - 11:2, 13:15, 13:17 Wearing - 90:15 Week - 119:13, 122:14, 122:17 Well - 12:4, 13:20, 16:14, 16:15, 20:13, 22:17, 26:2, 27:25, 36:5, 36:8, 40:1, 47:1, 55:2, 70:4, 76:1, 80:8, 114:8 We'll - 16:2, 96:7 We're - 31:20, 46:21, 51:5, 67:15, 119:17, 129:20, 129:21, 130:17 Weren't' - 56:10 West - 7:6 We've - 67:13, 67:14, 67:19, 68:11, 124:24 Whatever - 30:6, 31:24, 58:16, 91:2, 104:14, 105:1, 107:8, 107:13, 119:15 What's - 7:8, 10:16, 10:22, 13:19, 14:14, 14:15, 21:6, 31:2, 40:24, 44:19, 56:14, 64:19, 78:12, 93:21, 109:18, 111:8, 118:17, 127:24, 128:5 Whenever - 66:13, 70:14 Whereas - 55:25 Where's - 38:2 Which - 22:10, 23:4, 24:22, 27:20, 29:17, 42:24, 44:25, 48:8, 68:16, 89:15, 89:18, 108:18, 130:4 While - 80:24, 85:25, 102:10, 102:12 Whirlwind - 103:3 Whoever - 38:18, 50:4, 73:12, 125:18 Whoever's - 25:11, 30:5, 82:10, 85:4 Whole - 9:12, 17:6, 17:22, 17:23, 18:11, 23:18, 24:7, 24:18, 28:1, 43:19, 56:5, 70:4, 71:2, 72:8, 72:11, 76:6, 99:17, 123:12 Who's - 66:2, 66:18 Why - 18:13, 21:7, 50:24, 51:6, 55:22, 58:6, 63:7, 64:16, 65:6, 71:12, 72:4, 109:7, 127:10, 127:25 Will - 3:19, 4:18, 5:15, 6:12, 23:16, 34:4, 34:10, 34:16, 36:24, 62:18 Willing - 5:21 Wired - 28:6, 28:7 Wise - 14:1 Wish - 128:19, 129:23, 130:13, 130:23 Within - 60:22 Without -4:10, 4:12, 36:9, 120:21 Witness - 6:12 Won't - 36:8, 72:22 Word - 71:12 Worked - 8:10, 24:8, 36:2, 63:21, 93:14 Works - 70:6, 70:8, 89:2, 128:19 Worry - 46:25, 56:23 Wouldn't - 99:8, 113:3 Wrapped - 90:12, 91:3, 91:7 Write - 6:12, 33:24, 35:2, 35:5, 98:25, 111:24, 112:2, 112:6, 112:9, 112:12, EFTA00112219 112:15, 112:16 Writing - 5:7 Written - 14:23, 112:21, 113:4 Wrong - 43:7 Wrote - 33:6, 112:3, 112:5 Year - 7:22, 9:24, 10:5, 12:11, 12:14, 66:19, 66:23, 121:6 Years - 8:14, 10:8, 11:14, 11:16, 15:5, 17:14, 17:16, 17:17, 22:10, 126:14 Yep 32:8 Yet - 106:12, 124:17, 125:13 York - 3:6, 6:14, 7:7, 8:3, 9:25, 10:3, 130:7 You'd - 61:24 You'll - 62:9, 66:18, 72:21 Yourself - 14:17, 98:15, 100:17, 103:10 You've - 10:12, 14:21, 20:13, 56:20, 57:8, 62:20, 68:24, 93:22 Zero - 71:14 0 00:13:22 - 19:6 00:13:53 - 20:3 00:14:04 - 20:11 00:14:25 - 21:1 00:18:28 - 26:14 00:19:47 - 28:16 00:21:53 - 32:4 00:21:55 - 32:5, 32:7 00:35:34 - 51:20 00:50:08 - 73:23 00:52:52 - 77:22 01:12:00 - 106:10 01:24:08 - 125:9 093-78-7217 - 7:13 1:00 - 46:7, 50:15 10,000 - 121:14 10:00 - 75:24 100 - 27:7 10032 - 7:7 10th - 7:3, 19:12, 24:3, 31:20, 35:1, 39:23, 47:18, 69:9, 69:11, 72:14, 75:6, 75:20, 75:25, 81:12, 84:16, 84:19, 119:20, 119:21, 124:20 11th - 124:20 12 -17:17 15 - 3:2, 3:13, 6:13, 11:13, 11:16, 131:24 150 - 3:16, 40:4, 40:7 166th - 7:6 1978 - 5:5 1982 - 7:10 2 2:00 - 10:25, 11:1, 13:13, 13:14, 13:16, 46:5, 50:15, 76:1, 84:9, 84:10, 84:11 2:15 - 3:3 2:16 - 3:14 2:19 - 6:13 200 -40:3 2000 - 8:15 2004 - 8:15 2013 - 8:22, 8:24, 9:4, 9:14 2014 - 9:10 2015 - 9:15, 11:7, 11:8 2016 -10:8 2017 - 9:15, 10:8 2019 - 13:3 2020 - 67:1 2021 - 3:3, 3:13, 6:13, 131:24 23rd - 77:23, 77:24 24 - 8:22, 8:24, 9:4. 17:16, 23:17, 62:24 25 - 7:10 27 - 36:12, 36:13 2846 - 8:16 3 3:00 - 84:12 3:44 - 131:23 3-26226-2 - 4:22 365 -17:16 4 46 - 33:4, 35:3, 35:11, 68:18, 69:7 465 - 7:6 4A - 7:9 5 50 - 27:6, 27:25, 28:1, 45:6, 56:8 51 - 27:6 6 6:00 - 10:24, 11:1, 13:13, 13:14, 13:16, 14:8, 47:20, 75:24, 84:15, 101:5 6:33 - 101:9 60 -45:6 619-794-7843 - 7:16 7 7:00 - 102:2, 102:3, 102:4, 111:16 75 - 56:8 8 8:00 - 102:8 EFTA00112220