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1 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL JULY 15, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00112221 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: OTHER APPEARANCES: NONE EFTA00112222 3 1 MR. : This is Special Agent 2 Today is Thursday, July 15, 3 2021. The time is 2:15 p.m. My name is 4 . I'm a Special Agent with the U.S. 5 Department of Justice Office of the Inspector 6 General New York Field Office. And these are 7 my credentials. This interview is with Federal 8 Bureau of Prisons 9 MR. : Hmph. 10 MR. : And it is being conducted 11 as part of an official U.S. Department of 12 Justice Office of the Inspector General 13 investigation. Today is July 15, 2021. The 14 time is 2:16 p.m. The interview is being 15 conducted at Metropolitan Correctional Center 16 located at 150 Park Row. We are in the 17 executive assistant's office. Also present is 18 DOJ OIG Senior Special Agent 19 And the - also this interview will be recorded 20 by me, Special Agent . Could 21 everyone please identify themselves for the 22 record and spell your last name. To start, 23 again I am Special Agent 24 • 25 : My name is Senior Special EFTA00112223 4 1 Agent 2 And these are my credentials. Okay. 3 MR. can you, if 4 you can, state your first and last name and 5 spell them both for the record. 6 MR. : My first name is 7 And the last name is 8 . And my title is electronics 9 technician. 10 MR. : So it's without III 11 I. 12 MR. : Without 13 MR. : Okay. I apologize for 14 that. This is an official DOJ OIG 15 investigation into the death of Inmate Jeffrey 16 Epstein and the surrounding circumstances. You 17 are being asked to voluntarily provide answers 18 to our questions. Will you agree to a 19 voluntary interview? 20 MR. : Yes. 21 MR. : Please review DOJ OIG Form 22 3-26226-2. The form states, U.S. Department of 23 Justice Office of the Inspector General 24 Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested 25 to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. EFTA00112224 5 1 You are being asked to provide information as 2 part of an investigation being conducted by the 3 Office of the Inspector General. This 4 investigation is being conducted pursuant to 5 the Inspector General Act of 1978 as amended. 6 This investigation pertains to job performance 7 failure and security failure. I'm writing that 8 in here. 9 : And that doesn't' mean 10 your job performance failure. That means 11 that's what the investigation is involving. 12 MR. : This is a voluntary 13 interview. Accordingly, you do not have to 14 answer any questions. No disciplinary action 15 will be taken against you if you choose not to 16 answer any questions. Any statement you 17 furnish may be used as evidence in any future 18 criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary 19 proceedings or both. The waiver states I 20 understand the warnings and assurances stated 21 above and I am willing to make a statement and 22 answer questions. No promises or threats have 23 been made to me. And no pressure or coercion 24 of any kind has been used against me. Please 25 review the form. And if you understand it, EFTA00112225 6 1 please sign where it says employee signature. 2 And print your name below it. Do you 3 understand the form? 4 MR. : Yes. I understand the 5 form. 6 MR. : Okay. Mr. is 7 signing the form. All right. Special Agent 8 is signing under line for signature of 9 the Office of Inspector General Special Agent. 10 : And I'm Senior Special 11 Agent and I am signing as a 12 signature of witness and I will write the date 13 as July 15, 2021, and the time is 2:19 p.m. at 14 the MCC New York. 15 MR. : Before starting the 16 interview I would like to place you under oath. 17 Mr. can you please raise your right 18 hand? Do you swear to tell the truth and 19 nothing but the truth during this interview? 20 MR. : Yes. 21 MR. : During the interview if 22 you don't understand any of the questions I 23 ask, please ask me. Please let me know. I'll 24 rephrase it or I'll try to repeat it for you. 25 MR. : Okay. EFTA00112226 7 1 MR. : I want to clarify. This 2 interview is specifically regarding Inmate 3 Jeffrey Epstein on August 9th and 10th and the 4 circumstances that surround it. What is your 5 current home address? 6 MR. 7 8 MR. : What's your date of birth? 9 MR. 10 11 MR. : Your Social Security 12 number? 13 MR. : Uh 14 MR. : What is your current cell 15 phone number? 16 MR. : Uh 17 MR. : What is the highest level 18 of education. 19 MR. : Uh some college. 20 MR. : What college? 21 MR. : Community college. Like a 22 first year. 23 MR. : Do you know the name of 24 the college? 25 MR. EFTA00112227 8 1 2 3 4 MR. City? MR. : : Okay. Is that in .my Yes. 5 6 MR. major you were -? And was there a specific 7 MR. : Electrical engineer. 8 MR. : Okay. What did you do 9 prior to working for the BOP? 10 MR. : I worked at TSA. I was a 11 transportation security officer. 12 13 MR. military service? : Okay. And do you have any 14 MR. : Yes. Four years. Active 15 duty from 2000 to 20014. United States Marine 16 Corps. I was a 2846 Regular Repairman. 17 18 MR. discharge? : And was it an honorable 19 MR. : Yes. 20 MR. : How long have you served 21 with the Federal Bureau of Prisons? 22 23 MR. present. : Uh since March 24, 2013 to 24 MR. : March 24, 2013. And you 25 were working at TSA directly before this? EFTA00112228 9 1 MR. : Yes. 2 MR. : All right. What was your 3 Enter on Duty Date? 4 MR. : To here is March 24, 2013 5 I believe. 6 MR. : When did you graduate from 7 BOP training? 8 MR. : I don't know. That was 9 probably I don't know. Probably the following 10 March. So maybe March of 2014. 11 MR. : Okay. And were you with 12 the MCC the whole time? 13 MR. : Uh no. I started off in 14 Brooklyn as a correctional officer 2013 to 15 2015. And in 2015 to about 2017, I went to 16 Terre Haute. And that's when I became an 17 electronics technician. 18 MR. : Where did you go? 19 MR. : Uh Terre Haute, Indiana. 20 So Federal complex. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MR. : Another prison. And 23 that's where I became an electronics technician 24 and I stayed there for about a year and a half. 25 Then I moved back to New York City. EFTA00112229 10 1 2 3 4 MR. : Did you come back to the MCC? MR. : MCC New York as an electronics technician. 5 6 MR. back to the MCC? : What year did you come 7 MR. : I believe four or five 8 years ago, so 2016 around that time - 2017. 9 MR. : Okay. 10 11 MR. dates. : I'm not too sure of the 12 MR. : And you've been here at 13 the MCC since then? 14 15 MR. then. : Yes. I've been here since 16 MR. : And what was your - what's 17 your current position? 18 MR. : Electronics technician. 19 20 MR. you on? : Okay. And what shift were 21 MR. : Uh. 22 23 MR. normal? : Normally. What's your 24 MR. : My normal day is 6:00 to 25 2:00. EFTA00112230 11 1 MR. : 6:00 to 2:00? 2 MR. : Day watch. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 : Just before we go on. As 5 an electronics technician, when did you 6 actually become that? 7 : Um of 2015 - in March of 8 2015. 9 : And does that not involve 10 like specialized training? 11 MR. : Uh yes. What the Bureau 12 gives you and my background because I did a - 13 before I started with the Bureau I had about 15 14 years in electronics with the military and 15 government contractor and in the private 16 sector. I did electronics for about 15 years 17 before. 18 : Okay. So what training 19 did you receive specifically in that field? 20 21 22 23 : Since you said you only 24 did - you did college. I mean it doesn't' have 25 to be specifically. MR. : IN the Bureau? Or -? : Just overall. MR. : Oh. EFTA00112231 12 1 MR. : Oh. 2 : I mean just like in 3 general. 4 MR. : Well I could troubleshoot 5 certain cores at component level like a 6 starter. Use hand tools. 7 : So are you talking about 8 like on the job experience? 9 MR. : Yes. Everything's pretty 10 much on the job. And then in the Marine Corps 11 I went for training for about a year in 12 electronics. 13 : Oh. So one electronic - 14 one year with the Marine Corps and then what 15 about with the BOP? Did they provide training? 16 MR. : Um it's pretty much on the 17 job. 18 : Okay. 19 MR. : I went to one telephone 20 school and that was about it. And a fire alarm 21 training. 22 : Okay. 23 MR. : But everything is pretty 24 much on the job. 25 : Thank you. EFTA00112232 13 1 MR. : Anything else on that? 2 : Hm-mm. 3 MR. : On August 9, 2019, were 4 you working? 5 MR. : Yeah. August 9th. That's 6 the Friday or the Saturday? 7 MR. : Friday. 8 MR. : Yes. 9 MR. : And what was your position 10 on that day? 11 MR. : Electronics Technician. 12 MR. : What schedule were you on? 13 MR. : I believe 6:00 to 2:00. 14 MR. : 6:00 to 2:00 meaning 15 morning watch? 16 MR. : 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. 17 That's day watch. Or - yeah. Day watch. 18 MR. : Okay. And what does your 19 position entail? What's your daily duties? 20 MR. : I just well I make sure 21 anything in the building as far as 22 communication is working. So the first thing 23 you do is check the phones, radios, telephones, 24 radios I said, make sure the cameras are 25 recording if they're working. And what ese. EFTA00112233 14 1 Anything communication-wise. If anybody's 2 having a problem, they usually get to me. Even 3 something as simple as a voice mail. They'll 4 say he my machine isn't working and I go take a 5 look at it. And where somebody's computer is 6 not working. So. 7 MR. : And since you mentioned 8 also daily when you come on the job at 6:00 9 a.m. you check to see if the phone, cameras, 10 everything is working? 11 MR. : I don't have to check. 12 It's - there's no set standard or like okay you 13 should come in and check it. You just like 14 kind of look to see what's going on. You kind 15 of know what hasn't been working and what's 16 been working. You kind of make a checklist for 17 yourself. There's no set standard of what you 18 should do at that time. Now there is more stuff 19 that you do. Day to day. Where before there 20 was really no standard of okay you come in, you 21 start, and this is the first thing you've got 22 to go and do. And no. There was never 23 anything written down as far as what should be 24 done during your shift. 25 MR. : When did that change? EFTA00112234 15 1 MR. : After Epstein pretty much. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 MR. : Yeah. 4 MR. LARGENT: So that day when you came 5 in, do you recall - I know it's been two years. 6 Do you recall doing a checklist? Trying to see 7 if everything was working. 8 MR. : I usually - because I 9 don't get a radio in the morning. I usually - 10 first thing I do is I call for the elevator so 11 I know the phones are working. 12 MR. : Okay. 13 MR. : And then I go downstairs, 14 turn on the radio, listen to radio traffic so I 15 know the radios are working. And as far as the 16 camera goes, I have - that time I had like the 17 old system that had a (Indiscernible 18 *00:10:18). And make sure the um Because 19 it went to analog matrix. It's going to sound 20 a little confusing when I say analog matrix and 21 digital matrix because the old system we had 22 was a mixture of both. And kind of like the 23 new system too. It takes the old analog 24 cameras because we had a lot of old analog 25 cameras. It takes all of that. and then it EFTA00112235 16 1 transfer it to make it digital so you can start 2 recording. And that's how you - we'll get a 3 video and look back for video. But everything 4 was analog. So I would have the analog system 5 in my office. And I would pretty much look and 6 see if that's working. If that was working I 7 know I was pretty much good. 8 MR. : Now the analog - if - 9 before it was converted over to digital. 10 MR. : Mm-hmm. 11 MR. : How would the analog be 12 recorded? 13 MR. : Um the analog -. I wasn't 14 here -. Well it's -. It's not really - well 15 it is converted. It's used - well they use the 16 encoder to take the analog signal and make it a 17 digital signal and put it on a recorder. 18 MR. : Okay. And what was it 19 recorded on? 20 MR. : The old hard drives. It 21 was two of them - two hard drives. 22 MR. : Was it on a server or -? 23 MR. : It was pretty much like a 24 server. Yeah. It was two computers pretty 25 much. EFTA00112236 17 1 MR. : Okay. And once it was 2 recorded, do you remember checking the cameras 3 that day? Seeing if it was working? 4 MR. : I checked them later in 5 the day. I went up to the video room. Because 6 we were having - the thing about this whole 7 process was when I came here, the first thing I 8 saw was the video room. And the biggest thing 9 was all the equipment in that room was out of 10 date. It was old. It was - I came from 11 another institution. Like I said before where 12 everything kind of was modern but it was more 13 up to date than this. And so like the camera 14 system I had was maybe five to ten years old. 15 And when I came here, this one was over ten 16 years old and it was 365 a day. Like 24 hours 17 for the like the last 12 years. The system was 18 always on. And something as simple as shutting 19 down the time and change - because you got to 20 get recording times right. When the seasons 21 change, you would have to wait like a whole day 22 to shut down a recorder. It takes a whole day 23 or it to come back up after shutting it down. 24 And where I came from, that was not the 25 standard. Like it should be like an hour maybe EFTA00112237 18 1 thirty minutes. Maybe even ten minutes if it's 2 a newer system. You shouldn't even have that 3 much down time as far as it recording. So one 4 of the first things I did when I came here was 5 I addressed that - the recorders being 6 upgraded. And -. 7 MR. : Who did you address that 8 with? 9 MR. : Um my Facility Manager. I 10 talked to upper management. 11 MR. : Who? 12 MR. : But like during this whole 13 time I was doing I actually started the 14 camera project and that's why I was doing 15 overtime around this time. And we had people 16 come from other institutions. There was a 17 camera project to upgrade the cameras. 18 Everybody's fear was the actual cameras not the 19 recording software of the cameras. But I 20 stated over and over again the problem you're 21 going to have is the recorders. And we even 22 had the new recorders. They were in the 23 warehouse. We have them stockpiled. They was 24 ordered. But we were on the bottom of the list 25 as far as install. So even if we had the new EFTA00112238 19 1 equipment, we weren't a priority to get 2 anything installed. So we had to wait until 3 something happened. 4 MR. : And you said there was a - 5 you mentioned that to your Facilities Manager. 6 Who was that? 7 MR. : When I first got here it 8 was (Phonetic Sp. *00:13:22) 9 and was a facility manager. I 10 think we were in between facility managers when 11 this happened because we didn't really have 12 anybody. 13 MR. : So there was no one during 14 August 9th and 10th there was nobody? 15 MR. : I'm not too sure if my new 16 facility manager took over at that time. But I 17 don't believe he was here. I think he came 18 after. He was here visiting but I don't think 19 he took the job. 20 MR. : And you mentioned it to 21 upper management too? 22 MR. : Yeah. 23 MR. : Who in upper management 24 did you mention it to? 25 MR. : My old AW - my Associate EFTA00112239 20 1 Warden - - he's no longer - he's returned 2 from eh Bureau. 3 MR. : Who is the old AW? 4 MR. : Associate Warden 5 (Phonetic Sp. *00:13:53). That was his last 6 name. I forgot the first name. But I 7 mentioned to him and of course I talked to the 8 wardens about it. 9 MR. : Who was the warden at that 10 point? 11 MR. : Um it was . And 12 before it was (Phonetic Sp. 13 *00:14:04). Because they wanted me like to add 14 more cameras and do upgrades. And I'm like 15 well you've got to spend money because this 16 stuff is old. Like you can't just start adding 17 cameras to old systems. It's not going to 18 work. 19 MR. : And you said there was as 20 project started around that time. Before 21 Epstein's death? 22 MR. : Before Epstein's death. 23 Yeah. 24 MR. : How far before? 25 MR. : I would have to look at EFTA00112240 21 1 documents. I'm not too sure. Me and pretty 2 much - we have an engineering tech - 3 (Phonetic Sp. *00:14:25) - when we 4 started. Because we had problems with the 5 recorders before where we submitted paperwork 6 to the regional office saying hey the 7 recorder's going down. It's end of life. What 8 can we do to upgrade. What's the steps. And 9 that's why we got funded all the money that we 10 got to start the project. 11 MR. : Before Epstein's death, do 12 you recall what exactly the project entailed? 13 What were you guys upgrading? 14 MR. : Uh we were trying to go 15 from analog cameras to IP cameras and trying to 16 upgrade the recorders. The recorders were like 17 the main thing. Upgrading the recording 18 system. 19 MR. : But not the cameras 20 itself. 21 MR. : Not the cameras itself. 22 Because they can still work. And they still 23 work now. 24 MR. : Were majority of the 25 cameras working during that time? EFTA00112241 22 1 MR. : Yes. Pretty much all the 2 cameras were working. Maybe we had maybe ten 3 probably that weren't working. But for the 4 majority all of the cameras were working. They 5 weren't being recorded - that was the problem. 6 MR. : So the cameras were 7 working but it wasn't actually 8 MR. : Recording yeah. 9 MR. : -- recording into the 10 MR. : Yes. 11 MR. : Now think. I know it's 12 been two years. Do you recall which were the 13 ten cameras were that weren't working. 14 MR. : I have no idea. I would 15 have to look at that list there. 16 MR. : How about during that time 17 in the SHU. Were the cameras working? 18 MR. : Yes. The cameras in SHU 19 were working. They were recording. Well they 20 were working. They weren't recoding. But they 21 were working. 22 MR. : So what is that? Explain 23 that to me. 24 MR. : Okay. So you like - if - 25 so like I said. We had an analog system and a EFTA00112242 23 1 digital system. The old system would never 2 show me like the recorders failed. Like if 3 there was an error on the old software. Like I 4 would have to physically be in the room to say 5 hey. Because the room was upstairs on the 6 third floor. Which I didn't have access for. 7 You would have to go in the room and then you 8 go see like - because there's a redundant 9 drive. So you have like an A side and a B 10 side. And say if the A side isn't working, you 11 have one drive goes back. That's not a 12 problem. As soon as the second drive goes bad, 13 that's when you run into problems. And after 14 the second drive runs into problems, that's 15 when you stop recording. And once that 16 happens, you have to take the drive out, and we 17 have to scrounge around for old drives and see 18 if those will work. During that time I 19 actually - prior to that I actually purchased 20 maybe 24 drives to actually redo a whole - like 21 A or the B side. I was actually going to do 22 that. 23 MR. : Did you know at that point 24 that SHU cameras weren't recording? 25 MR. : At that point towards the EFTA00112243 24 1 end of the day I did. I believe I did know at 2 the end of the day. 3 MR. : On August 9th during the 4 day. 5 MR. : Yeah. And I called -- 6 MR. : It wasn't the 10th. 7 MR. (Phonetic Sp. 8 *00:16:54). That's my point of contact. I 9 usually - any time I have a problem or 10 something's not working because I wasn't really 11 familiar with the whole system. I had like a 12 newer system. It kind of worked the same, as 13 far as the software side goes, as far like as 14 like the hardware, it was different. So I 15 would always have to call them for like tech 16 support. Like okay I'm having a problem today. 17 Can you document it? You know it builds our 18 case when I have to submit stuff to Regional 19 Office. Needless to saying that doesn't work. 20 That's not going to fly. And usually they help 21 me troubleshoot through the whole process of 22 what I should have to do - A, B, C, okay take 23 this drive out, put that drive in. And like 24 previously, probably six months before that, we 25 actually had a mother board - which was my main EFTA00112244 25 1 computer - like go out. And I had to actually 2 replace that and they had to walk me through it 3 over the phone. I went to scrounge round parts 4 from another institution to get it working. I 5 know I'm giving you like a lot of stuff but -. 6 MR. : So let's step back. So 7 you said the - it wasn't working. There was 8 possibly a work order already created. Right? 9 MR. : Yes. Possibly. Yes. 10 MR. : Who approved the work 11 order? 12 MR. : Um that has to go through 13 my general foreman or facility manager. 14 Whoever's in charge. 15 MR. : Do you think - do you 16 recall if this was before Epstein's death or 17 after? 18 MR. : This was probably before 19 Epstein's death. It was a few work orders 20 before Epstein's death. 21 MR. : And if these work orders - 22 . Are these work orders still maintained? A 23 copy anywhere? 24 MR. : They should be in the 25 facilities folder somewhere. EFTA00112245 26 1 MR. : Who would have access to 2 it now? 3 MR. : Um my facility manager, 4 she'll know where they're at. And the 5 engineering tech would pretty much. Well I'm 6 not saying engineering tech. but the facility 7 manager should know if those records are kept 8 or they're maintained. 9 MR. : And when this work order 10 was created, this work order specifically 11 addressed the fact that the SHU cameras weren't 12 recording? 13 MR. : No. No. All of the 14 cameras. It's not going to just be SHU. It's 15 going to be all the cameras. 16 MR. : All the (Indiscernible 17 *00:18:28) cameras. 18 MR. : Yeah. 19 MR. : Okay. So at that point, 20 how come some cameras recorded? He said 21 there's redundancy. So there's either going to 22 -- 23 MR. (Indiscernible *00:18:34) 24 MR. -- A drive or B drive. 25 MR. : Yeah. EFTA00112246 27 1 MR. : How come some recorded on 2 -? 3 MR. : Okay. Oh there's going to 4 be another problem too. Okay. So there's an A 5 side and a B side. And it's supposed to be 6 redundant but it's not redundant because it's 7 not really redundant when one side goes bad so 8 it just knows to record channels. Let's say 9 one through fifty is on this side. And 51 10 through 100 is on this side. Everything is 11 working. It doesn't work. Okay. I can take 12 over for this one because it's not working. 13 But as soon as that one goes, I can kind of 14 record over here. As soon as the second drive 15 goes, I have to just record what I'm recording. 16 I can't no longer help out the other drives. 17 MR. : Okay. So some channels 18 inside the SHU were recording on one drive? 19 MR. : Yes. 20 MR. : Some were on the other 21 drive? 22 MR. : Yes. 23 MR. : So the ones - which drive 24 was the one that stopped recording altogether? 25 MR. : I believe it was the first EFTA00112247 28 1 drive. So like the A side. Like the first. 2 Because the SHU cameras are on the first - 3 they're like the first 50-some cameras. Well 4 not the whole 50 but they're on that side. In 5 this string. 6 MR. : But some were also on the 7 B side? 8 MR. : Yeah. On the B side. 9 Yeah. And that's just because they wired it 10 the way they wired it. 11 MR. : Okay. I'm going to show 12 you a map of the SHU. I know this is kind of 13 old. I'm not sure if this is still exactly how 14 it is. 15 : You have the updated one 16 right in front of him. 17 MR. : Updated one. Okay. I 18 kind of wanted you to mark off where the 19 cameras were (Indiscernible *00:19:47) right 20 here on the 21 MR. : Oh. 22 MR. : -- big one. So let's - 23 I'll give you both. 24 MR. : Oh that's fine. 25 MR. : See if - let's point it EFTA00112248 29 1 over here. 2 MR. : Okay. So. 3 MR. : You recognize this? Where 4 this is? 5 MR. : Yes. That's the Special 6 Housing Unit. 7 MR. : Is this -? How many 8 levels are there? 9 MR. : There's an upper tier and 10 a bottom tier. 11 MR. : The one you're looking at. 12 Is that the upper tier or lower tier? 13 MR. : This is 9 South upper 14 tier. Yeah. 15 MR. : Upper tier. Can you point 16 out -? Do you -? I know you were -. 17 MR. : Approximately. I know 18 where all the cameras are. Okay. So at the 19 end of Visa (Phonetic Sp. *00:20:10) there's a 20 camera here. 21 MR. : So which tier is that? 22 MR. : Uh G tier. 23 : You said at the end of 24 each tier? 25 MR. : Each tier. There's one EFTA00112249 30 1 camera looking this way - looking to the front 2 of the grill. This is the grill. 3 MR. : So G tier. J tier. 4 MR. : J Tier. L Tier. And M 5 should be. 6 MR. : And that camera. What 7 would it have shown? 8 MR. : Um it would just show 9 whoever's coming on to the Tier to do rounds or 10 whatever they're doing on the Tier. 11 MR. : Okay. And as per your 12 recollection, on August 9th, were those cameras 13 actually working? Running? 14 MR. : The cameras were working. 15 The recording no. 16 MR. : Okay. Where else in the 17 SHU are there cameras? 18 MR. : Also there's one in the 19 common area I think. Oh the - let me see. 20 Okay. So you have one over here like looking 21 at the common area over here. And then you 22 have another two like looking this way. 23 MR. : So you're pointing to the 24 right of L Tier? 25 MR. : Yes. EFTA00112250 31 1 MR. : To the right of L Tier. 2 And that would oversee -? 3 MR. : Like the common area this 4 way. Yeah. 5 MR. : And would that also -? 6 What's over here? 7 MR. : That's the officer's 8 station. 9 : Use this and just have 10 him mark on there. So if you could, these 11 numbers don't match up but the tier - the 12 letters should be the same. So can you just -? 13 MR. : Here. So this is L Tier. 14 : And can you just mark -? 15 MR. : M Tier is the top tier. 16 So. 17 : Can you mark maybe like a 18 circle and then point like an arrow toward the 19 direction that it would be recording? 20 MR. : Oh. 21 : That it would be viewing. 22 MR. : Uh. 23 : And this is on August 9th 24 and 10th we're talking about. 25 MR. : Just um. Okay. So. EFTA00112251 32 1 : So if you sit at the end 2 of each tier, just where they were actually -. 3 Just maybe you can put like a start or whatever 4 you decide to make for the camera. And then 5 like an arrow pointing the direction that they 6 would be recording. 7 MR. : Okay. So (Indiscernible 8 *00:21:53). Second one (Indiscernible 9 *00:21:55). 10 MR. : Keeping the (Indiscernible 11 *00:21:55) by arrow pointing in the direction. 12 MR. : Yep. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MR. : The common area. This is 15 H. And I believe they're on top of this tier. 16 There's a camera over here looking this way. 17 MR. : Is that the upper tier or 18 lower tier? 19 MR. : Uh upper tier. There's a 20 camera on the upper tier - on the outside of 21 the upper tier looking that way. 22 : Is that the one that's 23 like outside of 10 South? 24 MR. : Yes. 25 MR. : And -. EFTA00112252 33 1 : Do you mind on that 2 camera that you just said that's outside of 10 3 South. Can you just put 10 S there so we know 4 what you're talking about?" 5 MR. : 10 S. Um before you get 6 to 10 South, there's actually - that's the 7 camera that you guys probably show the 8 recording. That stuff 46 door. (Phonetic Sp. 9 *00:22:49). 10 : That's the one that you 11 just wrote 10 S next to? 12 MR. : Uh no. It's actually 13 : Oh. 14 MR. : -- up the stair. There's 15 not one -. 16 : So that's not that one. 17 MR. : Yeah. You can't put it on 18 the drawing because of where it's at. 19 : Okay. So the one that 20 you just drew actually - where is that in real 21 - relation to 10 South? 22 MR. : Um that would be like the 23 top of H Tier I believe. 24 : Okay. So can you maybe - 25 hm. How are we going to differentiate the fact EFTA00112253 34 1 that you said a different one is 10 S. Uh the 2 one that we have - that's recording. 3 MR. : Oh. 4 : Can you write -- 5 MR. : That's not 10 South then. 6 : -- that? 7 : That's not 10 South. I 8 crossed it out. So that's going to be - so 9 let's say H Tier number one. And this will be 10 H Tier number two. And this would be K Tier 11 number one. And I'm not sure where the second 12 one it. I don't' think it's this one. I think 13 it's maybe this one on this side. That's what 14 I'm saying is K2. On this one. And this will 15 be M Tier number one. Looking that way. And 16 the - so this would be L Tier. One. Let me 17 get G on there. 18 MR. : Where would the officers' 19 station be? 20 MR. : Uh the officers' station 21 will be next to M Tier like right in this area. 22 : Can you put a box there. 23 MR. : I believe it's right here. 24 : And put OS for Officers' 25 Station. EFTA00112254 35 1 MR. : Was there a camera pointed 2 directly at the officers' station? 3 MR. : Yes. I believe there is 4 one out here in the common area. 5 MR. : And this is on August 9th 6 and 10th. Right? 7 MR. : Yes. I'll just write uh 8 common area. And that's there. And for the 46 9 form? Right. Because it's not on the 10 (Indiscernible *00:25:09). I'll just write it 11 up here. Top of 10 South. 12 : That's perfect. And 13 that's one you're going to mark as 10 S? 14 MR. : Yeah. Ten. 15 : And that's the one and 16 only that we have that was actually working? 17 MR. : Yeah. That's the 46 18 though. 19 MR. : Now where would the 20 entrance be? Where inmates are moved in and 21 out of the SHU? 22 MR. : Uh that's the um - the 23 front entrance right here by the elevators. 24 MR. : Was there a camera there? 25 MR. : Uh no. There's only a EFTA00112255 36 1 camera in the hallway. There was no cameras in 2 there when they're moving back and forth. 3 MR. : If someone had to come in 4 and out of the SHU and control had to bus them, 5 was there a way control buses was 6 MR. : Uh yeah. 7 MR. : -- coming in and out? 8 MR. : The way that the doors 9 work at that time was - because we changed some 10 of the cameras. But before control pops the 11 door, they pretty much acknowledge that -. 12 Well before - especially with 9 South. 9 South 13 is different because the officer has the key on 14 their hip to - there's an inner door inside 15 here. And they won't even - well they're not 16 supposed to - crack the outer door without 17 somebody in SHU calling for that door. So I 18 can't go up to 10 South - or 9 South - right 19 now and say hey, let me get the 27 door. 20 Somebody from SHU has to call for the 27 door. 21 Because the inner door they have the key before 22 you come inside of 9 South. 23 MR. : But there was no cameras 24 at that point? 25 MR. : No. There was a live EFTA00112256 37 1 feed. There's always a live feed. 2 MR. : But nothing recording. 3 MR. : Nothing recording. I mean 4 the live feed goes to the control center. And 5 the control center officer sees who is at the 6 door. And they will pop the door. 7 MR. : Where would that camera 8 be? 9 MR. : Um that camera would be 10 in the hallway. I think that camera was 11 looking this way. So 9 Sally. I just labeled 12 it 9 Sally. And it just like looks down this 13 way. 14 MR. : Okay. So you pointed out 15 there's one on each tier. That would make it 16 six cameras. 17 MR. : Yeah. 18 MR. : There is one in the corner 19 -- 20 MR. : In the corner. 21 MR. -- of H tier? 22 MR. : Yeah I believe so. 23 MR. : That would make it seven. 24 There's one in the corner of 25 MR. : I'm not too sure about EFTA00112257 38 1 that one. I think there's one in that corner. 2 But I know there's one definitely in the common 3 area. I know these two are definitely here. 4 That other one I'm not too sure about. Because 5 I don't remember seeing that. 6 MR. : Okay. That's eight 7 cameras and then there's one in the Sally. 8 MR. 9 MR. 10 camera? 11 MR. 12 MR. : Yes. : And where's : It's up here. : Okay. So nine cameras 13 total that you're aware of. That should have 14 been -. 15 MR. : Um. Recording yes. All 16 the cameras are working now. Because you could 17 see. 18 MR. : Where could you see it 19 from? 20 MR. : Uh the live matrix. 21 MR. : On a matrix? 22 MR. : Yes. 23 MR. : Who had access to the live 24 matrix? 25 MR. : Um whoever would have a EFTA00112258 39 1 keypad. Not a lot of people have access to 2 that. So like SIS would have it - at the time. 3 Um control center would have it. And um 4 lieutenant's office don't have it. So it's 5 SIS, SIA, I have access, and that's pretty much 6 about it. And then our command center. 7 MR. : Is there something that 8 they would have to key in to see? Or is it 9 just running? 10 MR. : No. You would have to key 11 in the cameras to see the actual camera call 12 up. You have to call up for them hit the 13 button and know what camera it is to call up. 14 MR. : Did anyone like the SIS 15 office or even the control have like the 16 cameras - you know like the feed just running 17 on their screen at all times? 18 MR. : Yeah. But they would have 19 to go through all the cameras. They usually 20 just - it just sits on one camera. It doesn't' 21 keep scrolling through all the cameras. 22 MR. : Okay. Do you have 23 anything on that? 24 : A lot. Yes. A lot. 25 MR. : Okay. EFTA00112259 40 1 : Um. and maybe you 2 answered some of this and maybe just being a 3 layman I didn't understand. But so going back 4 to the beginning. How many cameras are in the 5 MCC? Or were there in August 9th and 10th? 6 MR. : I would have to look 7 through those right now. 8 : Well approximately. 9 MR. : Old partner would always 10 tell me there's like 200. I probably think 11 like 150 if that. 12 : All right. 13 MR. : I don't even think it was 14 150. 15 : And you said at the time 16 there were approximately ten that were not 17 working. 18 MR. : Yes. 19 : What does that mean - 20 "not working"? 21 MR. : It probably needs to get 22 if we're out of focus, just the video is 23 probably grainy - not the best video. 24 : Okay. 25 MR. : Yeah. EFTA00112260 41 1 : So they're on but they 2 were So differentiate for me because you 3 said that there are cameras in the SHU were 4 working but they weren't recording. 5 MR. : Uh-huh. 6 : So what's the difference 7 between working and not working when you're 8 talking about that? 9 MR. : Okay. So if you have a 10 camera working, you can see the video, but it's 11 not recording. That's a totally different 12 problem. 13 : Okay. So the ones that 14 you say that are not working. There's a 15 problem with what you're seeing. 16 MR. : Yeah. 17 : But they are recording or 18 they're not recording? 19 : It could possibly they could 20 be recording or can't be recording. 21 : All right. And then when 22 we just talked about the SHU. There's 23 approximately ten -- 24 MR. : Technically ten cameras. 25 : -- cameras in the SHU? EFTA00112261 42 1 MR. : Yeah. 2 : And the cameras in the 3 SHU. Only one out of ten was not - it was only 4 one was recording. 5 MR. : Only one. Yes. Because 6 it was on a different recorder at the time. 7 Yes. 8 : And August 9th you said 9 that you knew some were not recording. Is that 10 what you were saying? 11 MR. : I knew yeah something was 12 going on. I went up to the room and I was 13 about to change everything out and I didn't 14 have access. So I have to leave for the day. 15 : And that is on August 16 9th? 17 MR. : August 9th. The end of 18 the day. 19 : And that was the very 20 first time you knew that they were not 21 recording? 22 MR. : Um. That day yes. 23 : Okay. 24 MR. : Towards the end of the 25 day. EFTA00112262 43 1 : And did you know all of 2 them were not recording at that time? Aside 3 from the one? 4 MR. : I didn't know exactly 5 wasn't what wasn't recording on the recorder. 6 I don't know exactly. Which ones weren't 7 working. I just knew that recorder was down. 8 : And how did you know 9 that? 10 MR. : As soon as I went in I saw 11 the drives. Because the drives usually they're 12 green on everything that's working and amber 13 like there's an emergency or something's wrong. 14 And I saw that there was a few ambers. So like 15 it wasn't recording. Then I called at 16 the company. And they said I have to start 17 rebuilding. And what start rebuilding means is 18 I have to pull that hard drive out and start 19 putting fresh hard drives in. and then the 20 system knows like it put a new hard drive in it 21 starts to sync up and does this thing where it 22 starts to go through. It does it all of its 23 checks and starts recording. And I would 24 pretty much take a day. 25 : That takes like a whole EFTA00112263 44 1 day to do that? 2 MR. : That yes. And I was at 3 the stage of pulling everything out. That was 4 probably going to take a couple days to pull 5 all the drives out and start recording again. 6 : and did you make that 7 notification that the cameras in the SHU were 8 not recording to anyone? 9 MR. : I believe I told my 10 supervisor. 11 : And who would have been 12 your supervisor then? 13 MR. : Uh - there was really 14 like I don't think there was nobody here. 15 Because we were in like the middle of a project 16 and that was kind of chaos. So . 17 : Okay. Did you - but at 18 that time though you knew basically all the 19 cameras were down but one. 20 MR. : No id didn't know anything 21 about the SHU cameras. 22 : No-no-no. I'm talking 23 about the SHU cameras specifically. 24 MR. : No. I didn't - I don't 25 know what's on the recorders. At that time I EFTA00112264 45 1 didn't know what was on the recorders. I just 2 knew -. 3 : All right. So when you 4 went in, you knew that some recorders - some 5 cameras weren't recording and you didn't know 6 which ones. 7 MR. : Ones yeah. 8 : All right. So about how 9 many were amber or telling you that they 10 weren't recording? 11 MR. : That was like half of 12 them. So I'll say 50 to 60 cameras are 13 probably not recording. 14 : So there were a ton in 15 that -. 16 MR. Mm-hmm. In that slot that 17 weren't working. 18 : And is there anything 19 that - was that - that just all happened on 20 that one day on August 9th? 21 MR. : It happened before. 22 Multiple times before. 23 : It had happened before. 24 MR. : Before. Yes. 25 : So you have actually EFTA00112265 46 1 troubleshot it in the past? 2 MR. : Yes. Before yes. Same 3 problem. I have to rebuild drives and I mean 4 hey this isn't working. I've got to rebuild 5 the drive. There's really nothing I can do. I 6 just put the drive in and wait. 7 : Okay. 8 MR. : Make sure it comes back 9 up. 10 : So this was the other day 11 you said so around like 2:00 p.m. you're 12 thinking? 13 MR. : Um. 1:00 something. 14 : One something? 15 MR. : one something yeah. 16 : All right. And then 17 being that it happened before, was there 18 anything that you're supposed to do if like 19 hey I've got to notify like the captain -. 20 MR. : There was no -. At my old 21 job, I'm not trying to throw anybody under the 22 bus but at my old job, if anything wasn't 23 working and I was the contact, I couldn't leave 24 the jail. Like if the fence - because we had a 25 fence system - or cameras aren't recording. I EFTA00112266 47 1 would have to fix - stay there until okay, I 2 need a part. This is what we're doing. Send 3 notification. This place is run a lot 4 differently. And I've said stuff from before. 5 And my old supervisor but just like oh go home 6 don't worry about it. And I'm like 7 well if I go home, nobody's going to fix it. 8 And at that time I was the only person that 9 knew what was going on. It was bad practice 10 when I got to this jail. 11 : So did someone tell you 12 not to fix it and to go home on August 9th? 13 MR. : Um I'm not too sure. I 14 believe so. I'm not going to say yes or no 15 because I don't really remember that day too 16 much. 17 : Were you -? 18 MR. : But I did make a 19 notification that it wasn't working. 20 : To who? 21 MR. : And I was going to be back 22 the next day because I was doing overtime. 23 : All right. So you were 24 coming back on August 10th? 25 MR. : Yeah. The next morning. EFTA00112267 48 1 because I came at 6:00 a.m. the next morning to 2 do overtime. 3 : So and is that when you 4 were planning to fix it? 5 MR. : Fix it yes. 6 : So you were going to 7 start the next day and fix -. 8 MR. : And I had the drive too at 9 that time. I do remember that. 10 : And you said you made the 11 notification. Who did you make the 12 notification to? 13 MR. : To my supervisor. I don't 14 know exactly which supervisor it was but I know 15 I made a notification. 16 : So you're positive you 17 made it? 18 MR. : Yes. 19 : And how would that 20 notification have been made? 21 MR. : Probably verbally. 22 : Okay. 23 MR. : Because it's not something 24 I would broadcast over a radio or like go on a 25 phone. I would like call you in a room because EFTA00112268 49 1 I don't want anybody to know that. 2 : Okay. 3 MR. : Can't record video. 4 That's not a good thing. 5 : And I apologize. I think 6 Lance asked this question and I'm not exactly 7 sure what you meant by this. But were you 8 supposed to advise somebody like the captain or 9 the warden that the cameras were down? 10 MR. : Uh you -. Because the way 11 the recorders work, the cameras are the 12 captain's property. So you have to notify the 13 captain. Hey, the cameras aren't recording. 14 : And was that your job to 15 notify him? 16 MR. : No. I notify my 17 supervisor and they notify the captain. If I 18 see the captain, I'll say something to him or 19 I'll tell the lieutenants. But other than that 20 I don't say anything about cameras being down. 21 : Okay. So as far - so 22 you're positive you did notify your supervisor? 23 MR. : Yes. I notified somebody. 24 Because they have to know because I told them I 25 was going to come back the next day. EFTA00112269 50 1 : You just don't know who 2 it was. 3 MR. : I'm not too sure now. I 4 don't want to say -. 5 : Is there ? How can we 6 find out who would have been your supervisor at 7 that time? 8 MR. : It's documented somewhere. 9 Whoever my supervisor at the time. 10 : All right. So that 11 person would have then been responsible to 12 notify someone such as the captain -- 13 MR. : Captain. 14 : -- or the warden? 15 MR. : Yes. 16 : Because if the captain 17 was out, or no he did work on the 9th. Right? 18 MR. : Mm-hmm. 19 : So that means that around 20 1:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m., if you notified your 21 supervisor -- 22 MR. : Supervisor. 23 : -- that supervisor should 24 have then notified the captain. 25 MR. : Yes. And then I got EFTA00112270 51 1 approved for overtime for the next day. So 2 somebody knew I was coming back. 3 : Oh and is that 4 specifically why you were approved for 5 overtime? 6 MR. : Uh no I was coming back to 7 do the project. But they knew I had the drive 8 because I was going back and forth with my 9 computer service guy. Because he knows more 10 about hard drives than I do. So he was - we're 11 getting parts in. Why don't I just do this and 12 I remember that part of the day. 13 : Now what would cause all 14 of those cameras to actually fail like that? 15 The recorders. 16 MR. : Uh the recording. The 17 system was old. And it needed to be upgraded. 18 It was very old. 19 : Was it - could it have 20 anything to do with people tampering with the - 21 - 22 MR. : No. 23 : -- system? 24 MR. : They can't tamper. You 25 have to go in a room it's behind a lock - key - EFTA00112271 52 1 a photo (Indiscernible *00:35:34) key in the 2 door. 3 : So there's no reasons to 4 believe -- 5 MR. : There's two doors too. 6 : -- that those camera. 7 MR. : Because you go thought the 8 front door and then there's a secondary door to 9 go in the room. 10 : All right. So you said 11 the cameras are working and they're in this 12 room. Is anyone actually in that room looking 13 at the cameras? 14 MR. : They used to be and that's 15 an SIS tech. I think maybe Taye was there as 16 the SIS tech for that day. 17 : Now when you're - so 18 would he have known that they weren't 19 recording? 20 MR. : No. um his job is pretty 21 much to look at like the live feed and um maybe 22 look at the recording. But they do stuff a 23 little bit different here so I'm not too sure 24 exactly what his function was. 25 : Now would they also have EFTA00112272 53 1 seen this amber -? 2 MR. : No. they don't go back in 3 the room. 4 : So there's a different 5 room? 6 MR. : Yeah. It's a different 7 room altogether. They just look at the 8 monitors in the room at the time. 9 : So by looking at the 10 monitor, would they be able to have known that 11 the cameras were down? 12 MR. : No. As far as recording, 13 no. they would just have the live feed. 14 : Okay. 15 MR. : And everything looks good. 16 : So for them they would 17 have no idea that there was actually -- 18 MR. : Oh yeah a problem. 19 : -- no SHU cameras 20 MR. : Yeah. 21 : -- weren't recording? 22 MR. : And then the software too. 23 Even if you look at the software at the time, 24 it wasn't even telling you that there was a 25 problem . You would think it was actually EFTA00112273 54 1 working. 2 : Right. So to your 3 knowledge the only people that definitively 4 knew that the cameras were down were you and 5 your supervisor? 6 MR. : The supervisor. Yes. 7 : And do you know if your 8 supervisor actually made the notification to 9 anyone else? 10 MR. : I don't recall. I don't 11 know who you talk to. 12 : After the fact did you 13 ever find out if he did or didn't? 14 MR. : I don't remember. There 15 was a lot going on. 16 : Were you ever questioned 17 with regard to what happened with the cameras? 18 MR. : Yes. 19 : Who questioned you? 20 MR. : Um oh the next day because 21 I was here. I had to talk to the warden about 22 what was going on with the cameras. 23 : And do you remember what 24 -? 25 MR. : And then the FBI too. The EFTA00112274 55 1 next day. 2 : Okay. And otherwise he 3 was not present for that? 4 MR. : The next day? 5 : Yeah. 6 MR. : No. There was nobody 7 here. 8 : So you have spoken to 9 both the warden as well as the FBI with regard 10 to the camera situation? 11 MR. : The next day. Yes I did. 12 What was going on. 13 : And did you -? 14 MR. : And then I had to get in 15 contact with the vendor. And they had to 16 explain stuff to the FBI too. Because what I 17 was saying wasn't making any sense. 18 : They weren't following 19 what you were telling them? 20 MR. : Yes. Because they just 21 sent like a regular field officer. They didn't 22 send anybody technical. So what I was saying 23 was kind of just a little bit overboard. And 24 dry. 25 : And possibly when you EFTA00112275 56 1 were talking and I wasn't - maybe all these 2 questions were answered but I'm not sure. 3 MR. : Yes. 4 : So that's why I'm trying 5 to put it into layman's terms. All right. So 6 it You said it happened before. Do you 7 know if it ever happened before whereas all but 8 one camera in the SHU went down? 9 MR. : I don't even know what 10 would have went down. 11 : No? 12 MR. : It would have been a whole 13 bunch of cameras not recording. 14 : At the time that you knew 15 that the approximately 50 to potentially 75 16 cameras weren't working, did you know what 17 cameras weren't' working? Or just that a lot 18 of cameras weren't working? 19 MR. : Just a lot of cameras 20 weren't. And I wasn't going to sit there and 21 try to figure out what's -. 22 : Sure. 23 MR. : Yeah. 24 : So when you're making 25 that notification to your supervisor, you're EFTA00112276 57 1 just saying like hey half the cameras are down? 2 MR. : Was down. Yeah. You've 3 got to decide what you're going to do. 4 : Okay. And they at that 5 time said don't worry about it. Go home. You 6 can fix it tomorrow? 7 MR. : That was the standard 8 practice. So I believe it went along those 9 lines. 10 : Okay. 11 MR. : Yeah. 12 : And you said at another 13 institution that would have never 14 MR. : That would never fly. No. 15 No. Can't have that. You've got to fix it. 16 If it's not working then you have to stay. 17 : No do you believe that 18 you should have had to have stayed? 19 MR. : Yes. I believe so. 20 : And did you request to 21 stay to fix it? 22 MR. : Um. I think I did but I 23 think I pretty much made a notification but 24 since I was going to be back the next day, it 25 didn't make sense for me to stay. Because EFTA00112277 58 1 there was really nothing I could fix that day 2 anyway. Even if - and I think I - before I 3 left the two drives that were bad, I started 4 replacing them. I think I might have taken 5 them out to let them start rebuilding. 6 : Okay. So was there 7 anyone in the SHU that could have known that 8 those cameras were down? 9 MR. : No. 10 : No? 11 MR. : Because I don't talk to 12 anybody is custody as far as the cameras go 13 out. That's why I go directly to my 14 supervisor. 15 : So the fact that - you 16 know, Epstein, you're most notorious 17 MR. : Mm-hmm. 18 : -- inmate at that time - 19 is you know dies the night that the cameras are 20 down. Is there any - reasonably if there's any 21 kind of - is there any suspicion surrounding 22 the circumstances? 23 MR. : No. It was just whatever 24 happened - happened. It was really no 25 tampering with the devices or somebody turned EFTA00112278 59 1 off the power or -. No. 2 : So to you it's just 3 completely coincidental? 4 MR. : Just coincidental. 5 : All right. And again you 6 said that no one could have tampered with those 7 cameras to made them go down. 8 MR. : Yes. 9 : That's great. But no one 10 could have. 11 MR. : No one could have. No. 12 : Okay. All right. 13 MR. : And because - another 14 thing about the cameras too they're - the way 15 the SHU cameras are they're - the power supply 16 is for the old analog cameras are in a - one of 17 my closets. You would have to go in there, 18 kill the power, and then go into mess with the 19 recorder. Like it's too much stuff to try to - 20 one person to think about trying to tamper with 21 it. It's just a lot. 22 : Okay. 23 MR. : And like as soon as I put 24 in the new recorders, all the cameras came up. 25 So the cameras weren't tampered with at all. EFTA00112279 60 1 : Right. The cameras 2 themselves. But what about that room that you 3 said that's where you fix them at. Who had 4 access to that room? 5 MR. : I would have -. It would 6 be SIS because that was their room. At that 7 time, I really didn't have access. And that 8 was part of the problem too. Because they were 9 leaving for the day and I didn't' have access 10 to the room. I didn't have a key at that time 11 to go in the room. 12 : Okay. So. 13 MR. : Because it's their 14 property room also. 15 : But you went in to be 16 able to see that they weren't recording. 17 MR. : Yeah. Because somebody 18 was in the room. SIS was upstairs. Yes. 19 : So SIS allowed you in the 20 room? 21 MR. : Yes. 22 : Were they in the room at 23 the time? 24 MR. : Nah. I usually just go in 25 the back room by myself. I don't -. EFTA00112280 61 1 : And then you just ask 2 them if they can go in? Or is it - what do you 3 mean? There's like an SIS office and then 4 there's a room within the SIS office. 5 MR. : Next office. Yeah. They 6 have the main room but then it has a video room 7 and behind the video room, that's where the 8 recorders are. 9 : Okay. So is that room 10 that you're talking about where the recorders 11 are - is that also secured? 12 MR. : Yes. 13 : Or is it just -? 14 MR. : It's secured. Yes. 15 : So there's the SIS room 16 that's secured. And then there's also the TV 17 monitor room that's also secured? 18 MR. : Yes. 19 : Where the recordings? So 20 did you have access to the -? Who would have 21 had access I guess to the - where the 22 recordings would have been stored? 23 MR. : I guess anybody in SIS 24 with a key for SIS. 25 : But only SIS? EFTA00112281 62 1 MR. : Yes. Only SIS. 2 : All right. Is there any 3 reason to believe anyone in SIS could have 4 manipulated those - that system? Or taken the 5 cameras? 6 MR. : You'd have to know what 7 you're doing and I would kind of know if 8 somebody messed with it. It's not really 9 something you go in there and start 10 disconnecting. Like the only way to really do 11 anything in that room is to start disconnecting 12 stuff. And it's a spaghetti mess. 13 : Okay. 14 MR. : Starting to disconnect the 15 stuff is not going to - it's going to be 16 tampered with you'll see somebody did 17 something. 18 : Is there anyone other 19 than SIS who could have gotten into there? 20 MR. : I don't believe so. No. 21 : Does the captain, AWs, 22 and the warden have access to that room? 23 MR. : they don't probably even 24 know anything that goes on in that room. The 25 only time I will tell them is like to do EFTA00112282 63 1 maintenance. I'll complain and show them the 2 room. Hey, you've got to clean this up or -. 3 : But do they have access? 4 Can they get into the room? 5 MR. : Uh they would have to get 6 24 keys from S13 or somebody would have to give 7 them access to get into that room. 8 : But only SIS has it? 9 MR. : From what I know, yes. 10 : Okay. 11 MR. : Only SIS can get in that 12 room. 13 : Okay. 14 MR. : Why did you happen to go 15 in that room that day? 16 MR. : I don't know. I just make 17 rounds and I do stuff. Somebody said something 18 to me or I was thinking about it. Because I 19 think I ordered the drive and I just wanted to 20 see where I was at to see what I was going to 21 get started on. And plus we were doing a 22 camera project, so I was just trying to get a 23 lot of things like organized and see where we 24 were at. And what I was actually going to do. 25 MR. : So I have to ask as part EFTA00112283 64 1 of it. Did you happen to stop doing upgrade 2 work on it, unplug, or take down the 3 redundancy, or anything that worked -- 4 MR. : No. 5 MR. : -- that happened to stop 6 working at that point? 7 MR. : No. I just - it - because 8 we were having problems from before. And the 9 problem just happened again. Like just 10 coincidence. 11 MR. : And nothing to do with the 12 work you were doing on it? 13 MR. : No. Because I didn't 14 touch the recorders. 15 : So not just the work you 16 were doing on it. Did anything you do cause 17 the cameras to go down? 18 MR. : No. Not that day. No. 19 : Okay. In the past it had 20 though? 21 MR. : If I'm messing with a 22 recorder, it can throw some stuff off. Or if 23 I'm - yeah - moving drives around - that's why 24 I don't have to notify. Hey, the drives are 25 back. Because if I start moving stuff, I don't EFTA00112284 65 1 know what's going to go down or not work or -. 2 Yeah. 3 : Okay. 4 MR. : The system is very old. 5 : But that day on August 6 9th when all the SHU cameras went down, that 7 had nothing to do with you? It was just 8 coincidental that they went down. 9 MR. : As far as the recording, 10 yes. 11 : Okay. So when you 12 specified as far as the recording, can you tell 13 me why you said that? Is there anything else? 14 MR. : Because people believe 15 that when cameras don't work, like the camera's 16 not working. The camera could be throwing out 17 video because the live feed - like I said - 18 goes to the control center. They see the live 19 video when they're popping the door. So 20 there's live video going - getting fed. It's 21 just the digital side of it. The recording 22 side is not working. 23 : Okay. 24 MR. : Was there a camera towards 25 the back room? EFTA00112285 66 1 MR. : What back room? 2 MR. : Is there a camera in the 3 SIS office? 4 MR. : Uh no. Now there is. 5 There's a camera going towards SIS. But before 6 there was no camera. It would just be the 7 third floor - 3 Sally is someone was going in 8 that general direction. But you can't even 9 make out who's going by there - the video room. 10 MR. : Was anybody to know who 11 went in and out of that room? 12 MR. : No. 13 MR. : There's a key entry or -? 14 MR. : No. 15 : Two follow-up questions. 16 One, has this probable been rectified? 17 MR. : Yes. 18 : And when was that 19 rectified? 20 MR. : Uh whenever they came and 21 did a walkaround. We added cameras slight to 22 the SIS room. Of course we upgraded our 23 recorders but there's cameras to see who goes 24 in that general area. Like if you go in the 25 room, you'll see who's going in the recording EFTA00112286 67 1 room. 2 : And was that like a year 3 or two ago? Or how long after the August 9th 4 incident? 5 MR. : That's probably like a 6 year after that. because we were doing a lot 7 of other stuff before that. 8 : So in sometime in like 9 2020 have the cameras gone down since then? 10 MR. : Mm. 11 : And when I say the 12 cameras I mean the recordings. 13 MR. : When I have to do 14 maintenance. I have to notify somebody like 15 the cameras are going to go down. They make 16 sure the jail is locked down and -. 17 : Only intentionally. 18 MR. : Yes. 19 : They've never gone down - 20 . 21 MR. : Oh. We've had um - uh - 22 see I can't really say that because we've had 23 issues because we're putting in IP cameras. 24 Where - the IP cameras are like little 25 computers. And they overload the system EFTA00112287 68 1 sometimes when the software isn't right. So it 2 bogs down the system. And we've had problems 3 where the recording stops, but we have a 4 redundant recorder but not all the cameras 5 would go down per se. 6 : Okay. 7 MR. : And the reason I'm saying 8 that also is because a lot of the cameras 9 it's like a mix and match of old cameras and 10 new cameras - analog cameras and like more 11 computer-based cameras - IP cameras. So right 12 now when the system fails the old analog 13 cameras for the most part are going to work. 14 The problems are going to be the newer cameras 15 on the tiers. The older cameras would always 16 pretty much be recording. If we ever had an 17 issue. 18 : Okay. 19 MR. : And we've had a few 20 issues. Yes. But they're usually with the 21 newer cameras not with the older ones. 22 : Interesting. Okay. And 23 as far as - just to make sure we are clear - 24 which of the cameras in the SHU actually were 25 recording on -. EFTA00112288 69 1 MR. : Uh the 46-door camera. 2 : And that's the one 3 outside of 10 South? 4 MR. : Yes. That's - and the 5 only reason I know that is because the first 6 day they came, they were .looking for video. 7 There's was no video. And they were like 8 you've got to find video. 9 : Who is "they"? 10 MR. : Um FBI. 11 : Okay. 12 MR. : And then um so I stayed 13 later the day and the night and I was trying to 14 look to see what was recording. And that's 15 when I figured out that the 46-door was 16 actually recording on 10 South. 17 MR. : The 9th or the 10th? 18 MR. : Um. 19 MR. : The 10th is the day that 20 he was found. 21 MR. : I think it was in that 22 morning the next day. When I came in first 23 thing in the morning. 24 : So on Saturday it looks 25 like. EFTA00112289 70 1 MR. : Saturday. Yeah. 2 : Now -. 3 MR. : Because I had to think 4 about what was going on. And also during that 5 day they made me move over - the cameras that 6 were recording - put them on different 7 recorders. It was like a mess. 8 : Now were there any 9 cameras, recordings, or hard drives or anything 10 that were sent to try to have the recordings 11 recovered? 12 MR. : Uh well the whole thing 13 with everything not recording that day was the 14 way the system works. And we want to woke the 15 vendor and FBI because they had to talk to 16 the way the system works is if the two drives 17 are bad it's not going to start recording 18 video. It's not going to go on a different 19 drive or you're going to see bits and pieces of 20 video from that day. You might see old video. 21 But as far as new video from that day whenever 22 it went back you're not going to see any video. 23 : So we had received 24 information saying that video was attempted to 25 be recovered by the FBI. EFTA00112290 71 1 MR. : Yeah. 2 : What is meant by that? 3 MR. : They've got a list that 4 they could probably do but yeah nothing. 5 : But did they obtain 6 anything? Any hard drives or -? 7 MR. : They took all the hard 8 drives. They took everything. They took the 9 whole recorder - the whole recoding system. He 10 took the next day. 11 : But there's no way it was 12 recorded - it was So if they say it was 13 corrupt and it was unable to be retrieved, what 14 does that mean in layman's terms? 15 MR. : There's no video. It's 16 probably garbage. Just yeah. 17 : But there's nothing. 18 Does that just mean that there's no recording? 19 Why would they use the word "corrupt"? 20 MR. : Because it's pretty much 21 you know computer is like one to zero. So 22 probably when they finally get to that they 23 couldn't retrieve anything. Nothing like you 24 could see or make tangible. Like no real 25 video. EFTA00112291 72 1 MR. : See that's two different 2 things. Right? It's not like they didn't 3 retrieve anything. That just means they found 4 the file. They just couldn't open it. 5 MR. : They can't see it. Yes. 6 MR. : That means something 7 recorded. 8 MR. : Not necessarily. It 9 could be garbage. Garbage can record anything 10 that's a good thing what is not a good thing. 11 This (Indiscernible *00:48:51) was recording. 12 That's why I say that when a camera is and or 13 good, like I can have a camera that just 14 looking at this and you're saying okay it's 15 good but it's not looking at the whole room. 16 This is nothing. This is garbage. It doesn't. 17 The camera just knows it's working until I fix 18 it and then it records the whole room. Then 19 you know it's working. 20 MR. : When you went in on the 21 10th to take a look at the video, did you 22 actually see the recording files? Or did you 23 not see any files at all? 24 MR. : I just know the drives 25 were bad. And I think I tried to -. Yeah EFTA00112292 73 1 2 3 4 because they're like ex'd out when they're not working. So you're not going to see any recording files. You'll see the live video but you won't see anything recording. 5 MR. : So you use the software? 6 MR. : Yes. 7 MR. : To try to open the files. 8 MR. : Yeah. 9 MR. : But you didn't actually go 10 in and try to find the actual base files for 11 the recording from that night? 12 MR. : No. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MR. : So was the cameras 15 connected to a network? 16 MR. : Yes. 17 18 MR. network? : Who had access to the 19 MR. : Mainly whoever had a 20 password to look at the Nice Vision. Usually I 21 give out the passwords or a computer services. 22 23 MR. access? : At that point who had 24 MR. : Oh um. I think most of 25 the lieutenants had access. The warden had EFTA00112293 74 1 access. SIS had access. I had access. And I 2 believe computer services. And maybe a few 3 staff members here and there. But they just 4 looking at live video - nothing recorded or 5 (Indiscernible *00:50:08) video. 6 MR. : SO that was my next 7 question. Could they have done anything when 8 they logged in to manipulate the -? 9 MR. : No. You can't stop the -. 10 The newer system you can. The old system you 11 pretty much have to go in there and manually do 12 it. Like you can't just -. You would have to 13 go on the recorders and -. Yeah. I don't 14 think anybody here knew - knows how to do that. 15 MR. : Did anyone outside the 16 institution have access? Like because it was 17 on the network, does like someone at the 18 central office or anyone have access to or no? 19 MR. : From what they told me 20 there's no back doors to it. So. 21 MR. : So it was a close network. 22 MR. : Closed. Yeah. Closed. 23 Yeah. In house thing. 24 MR. : Do you know if any 25 situations about came up in the past where it EFTA00112294 75 1 required that someone in the central office 2 needed to log in to see the video? And they 3 were able to do it remotely? 4 MR. : Nah. I don't know if the 5 old system. The new system you can do that. 6 The old system. I'm not sure. I don't believe 7 anybody from eh region or anybody saw video on 8 the whole system. 9 : As far as when you left 10 on August 9th. You knew that a number of 11 cameras were down. When you came back on 12 August 10th, do you know if it was the same 13 cameras that were down? 14 MR. : Yes. It was the same area 15 cameras that were down. It's the same 16 recorder. Just -. 17 : So there weren't 18 additional cameras that were down? 19 MR. : No. That would go down 20 and come back up. No. 21 : All right. So when you 22 left on August 9th, it stopped recording. No 23 additional cameras went down 24 MR. : No. 25 : -- between August 9th and EFTA00112295 76 1 August 10th when you returned. 2 MR. : Yes. 3 : All right. And did you - 4 do you know if anyone had any access to those 5 cameras from 6:00 a.m. to let's say 10:00 a.m. 6 on August 10th? 7 MR. : Well I left probably 2:00 8 that afternoon. I don't believe there's 9 anybody that would have to go in that room to 10 do anything. 11 : Were you in that room 12 almost the whole time? 13 MR. : Yes. 14 : Do you know of anybody 15 else that went into that room? 16 MR. : Um just the SIS tech that 17 was there. But he doesn't go in the back room. 18 He usually just goes in the front room. 19 : Okay. 20 MR. : And when he leaves that's 21 pretty much it. I don't - there's no reason 22 for anybody to go in the back room. 23 : All right. So -. 24 MR. : It's their evidence room 25 too so they kind of don't listen to anybody - EFTA00112296 77 1 just walk back there. 2 MR. : After the incident were 3 you the first person back there? 4 MR. : Um yeah. I believe so 5 yes. And nothing looked tampered with. It all 6 looked like they had left it - it looked the 7 same way. 8 MR. : And it's SIS tech that was 9 back there. His name is 10 MR. . Yeah. I believe 11 it's III. 12 : Can you spell that? 13 MR. . He's retired now. 14 MR. : Oh, okay. 15 16 MR. : Yeah. 17 MR. : The only camera that you 18 said that was over that door in the SHU when 19 you viewed it. Was it grainy or what it a good 20 view? 21 MR. : Eh. I look at the cameras 22 enough I can make out something. Most people 23 say it was grainy. But you can make out enough 24 to see if anything was going on. 25 MR. : Okay. I've got nothing EFTA00112297 78 1 more on that line. 2 : Nope. (Indiscernible 3 *00:52:52) 4 MR. : Okay. Now on July 23rd. 5 MR. : July 23rd. That's before? 6 MR. : No sorry. I take it back. 7 MR. : Okay. 8 : Talk about the phones 9 now. 10 MR. : Okay. As part of your 11 job. 12 MR. : Yeah. 13 MR. : Right. Do you maintain 14 the phones in the system? 15 MR. : Yes I do. The phone 16 switch or the PBX. I maintain it. 17 MR. : As part - do you recall 18 after this incident. What's the = was a 19 preservation done off the phone recordings in 20 the -? 21 MR. : I believe my warned at the 22 time asked me to look up to see who um was 23 making phone calls or who possibly in SHU was 24 getting phone calls that night. And I did find 25 something. EFTA00112298 79 1 MR. : This is Warden 2 MR. Yes. 3 MR. : And you did find 4 something? 5 MR. : Yes. 6 MR. : What did you find? 7 MR. : It was a phone call on the 8 tier that they believe Epstein was taking a 9 shower. Because he - I guess he got a shower 10 and somebody gave him a phone call. I believe 11 they found the phone call. That's what I 12 believe. I'm not too sure who did what but. 13 There was a phone call made. 14 MR. : Did you provide a copy of 15 that over? 16 MR. : Yes. 17 MR. -- to the DOJ? 18 MR. : No. I have it to my 19 actual supervisor. The warden. 20 MR. : Was that a recorded call? 21 MR. : No. it was just a log to 22 see how long the call was. Like when the call 23 starts and when it ends. There's no recording. 24 It's a legal call. So legal calls are 25 protected. You can't give you know out the EFTA00112299 80 1 legal call information. 2 MR. : Okay. MR. : But 3 you see who dialed it and how long that call 4 was. 5 MR. : Now is every phone in the 6 facility recorded? Other than legal calls? 7 MR. : Uh the inmate phones are 8 recorded. Yes. 9 MR. : What about from CO to CO? 10 MR. : No. that's not recorded. 11 MR. : None of the - let's just 12 say an inmate has access - can get to the CO 13 phone. If they make a phone call. 14 MR. : Well you try not to give 15 them access to it. 16 MR. : But they're never recorded 17 for any reason? 18 MR. : Nah. 19 : So when the SHU is 20 talking with control or control is talking with 21 R&D. Those calls aren't recorded. 22 MR. : No. there's just a log to 23 see how long the call was - the duration - but 24 that's pretty much it. What phone picked up 25 and what phone hung up or -. EFTA00112300 81 1 MR. : Are those logs maintained? 2 MR. : Yes. 3 MR. : For how long? 4 MR. : Uh I just had this a 5 little while ago. Probably like a month. 6 MR. : That's all it is? 7 MR. : That's all it is. Yeah. 8 MR. : Do you recall if that was 9 ever -? A copy of all the logs for that day? 10 MR. : Yes. I believe I gave a 11 copy to somebody. Somebody with access. So 12 I'm pretty sure I gave them call logs on 13 everything. 14 MR. : So this is back then? 15 MR. : Yes. I gave logs - call 16 logs. 17 MR. : Do you recall if it was 18 all of August 9th and 10th? Or it was just for 19 -? 20 MR. : It was probably a few 21 days. 22 MR. : Okay. 23 : Do you still maintain 24 those since you gave them? 25 MR. : No I just gave them. No EFTA00112301 82 1 2 3 4 reason for me to hold on to them. : So you physically gave it to them as opposed to via email or anything? MR. : Nah. Um. Did I scan 5 6 them? I might have emailed them. I'm not too sure. 7 : Can you do us a favor? 8 9 When you're done can you just check your outbox around those dates 10 MR. : Yes. Okay. 11 12 those logged? : -- and see if you have 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MR. : You don't recall who you 15 provided it to? Right? 16 MR. : SIS or whoever's in charge 17 of SIS. They were asking me for phone logs. 18 19 have them then? : All right. So SIS would 20 MR. : Yes. 21 : Okay. 22 23 MR. : line. If you want it's on that 24 : No. That's - so no. 25 Only inmate calls are recorded. No staff EFTA00112302 83 1 member calls. 2 MR. : No staff member calls are 3 recorded. 4 : And that's throughout the 5 entire institution. 6 MR. : Yes. 7 : Okay. What about coming 8 in and out of the institution. Are they 9 recorded? 10 MR. : What? What do you mean? 11 : So if like R&D is 12 speaking with the court or Marshals. Would 13 they be recording? 14 MR. : No. that's not recorded. 15 No. 16 : So nothing coming in and 17 out. 18 MR. : No. It's just when the 19 inmates are talking on the phone. Their phone 20 calls are recorded. Because they get that 21 little warning to say you know you're being 22 monitored. But that's about it. 23 : and I thought when I 24 called BOP facilities that it did say that this 25 line is being recorded. Is that not the case? EFTA00112303 84 1 2 3 MR. MR. : : : No. Okay. Yeah. Sometimes they just 4 5 throw that in there to -. But it's not the case. 6 : Okay. It's shame but. 7 MR. : Yes. 8 MR. : Yeah. 9 MR. : Anything else on that 10 topic? I'm going to move on. 11 : No. 12 MR. : So that was August 9th. 13 You left that day what time? 14 MR. : Um maybe the end of my 15 shift 2:00 or maybe like an hour later. 16 MR. : 2:00 p.m.? 17 MR. : Yeah. 2:00 p.m. Or maybe 18 3:00 p.m. 19 20 MR. shift? : When did you come back on 21 MR. : 6:00 a.m. in the morning. 22 MR. : On August 10th? 23 MR. : Yes. 24 MR. : And what do you recall 25 happened on August 10th? EFTA00112304 85 1 MR. : As soon as I came to the 2 front door, I heard a body alarm on 10 South. 3 And then I ran up to the body alarm on 10 4 South. I mean 9 South. 5 : 10 South? 6 MR. : I mean 9 South. 7 MR. : And who hit the body 8 alarm? 9 MR. : I don't know. I guess the 10 officer whoever's on 10 - uh 9 South. 11 MR. : And when you got up there 12 what did you see? 13 MR. : I don't know. I saw - 14 what did you see? We were all just I don't 15 know. What did I see...? I got up there. 16 MR. : Let's start off then. Who 17 was up there when you got up there? 18 MR. : Okay. Uh when I got up 19 there. I got on the elevator with -. Who did 20 I get on the elevator with ...? I think.... 21 from food service was there. 22 Officer was there. And . And I 23 think the lieutenant at that time was - 24 when I got upstairs. Those are the 25 (Indiscernible *00:57:54) I remember. And then EFTA00112305 86 1 the officers that were on the unit were Officer 2 Thomas and Officer MS. NOEL:. And then I just 3 remember us saying we needed to get the 4 stretcher from the hallway. And an AD machine. 5 And then they took him and put him on the 6 stretcher. And I think after a little while 7 the medical PA - came upstairs. And then 8 started working on him. And then me and 9 were still doing chest compressions. We took 10 him to the second floor until the ambulance 11 came. 12 MR. : Okay. I'm going to step 13 back a little bit. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MR. : So when the body alarm 16 went off, right. And you were in the elevator 17 with and - 18 MR. , and I think 19 20 MR. . When you got 21 up there, who was up there? 22 MR. : I think lieutenant 23 think was upstairs already. Maybe not. And 24 then I know MS. NOEL: was there. 25 : Noel is that Noel? EFTA00112306 87 1 MR. : I don't know how to say 2 that name right. 3 : Tova Noel 4 MR. : Tova Noel. She was there 5 and uh Thomas was there. 6 : Okay. Is that Michael 7 Thomas? 8 MR. : Michael Thomas. Yes. 9 : So you were one of the 10 very first people on the scene. 11 MR. : Yes. 12 : Possibly the first maybe 13 lieutenant 14 MR. : Yeah. They probably -. I 15 think they might have got up there before we 16 did. I'm not too sure. 17 : When you say "they," was 18 there someone other than - 19 MR. : There was everybody in the 20 elevator and it was just like a malaise or -. 21 : But you said you were one 22 of the first. So when you arrived to the cell 23 what did you see? 24 MR. : I saw Thomas picking him 25 up and people were helping him put him on a EFTA00112307 88 1 stretcher. 2 : Okay. So when did you 3 start doing the chest compressions? 4 MR. : I think like right away. 5 : On the stretcher though? 6 MR. : Yes. 7 : Okay. but not on the 8 floor? 9 MR. : No I don't believe on the 10 floor. 11 : Sorry I'll turn it back 12 over to you. 13 MR. : No it's the same question. 14 So when you walk in. let's say you walk into 15 the SHU. Was the gates open already? 16 MR. : The tier where he was on 17 was open. And I don't remember if the Sally 18 port door was open because the inner door - I 19 think somebody had to open that door. 20 MR. : Okay. So you walk in. 21 and you head right up to the tier. 22 MR. : Yes. Because we know that 23 was the tier something was happening on . 24 MR. : Who was standing there? 25 MR. : Um I believe Thomas. EFTA00112308 89 1 MR. : Thomas was inside or was 2 outside? 3 MR. : I think he was inside the 4 tier. 5 MR. : Was anybody outside the 6 tier? 7 MR. : I think Noel was outside 8 the tier. Because usually the way SHU works is 9 one officer in the tier and one officer outside 10 of the tier with a key. 11 MR. : And out of the few people 12 that came up in the elevator, were you the 13 first one in the room or was there somebody 14 else? 15 MR. : I think lieutenant 16 was there. He was pretty much directing 17 everybody what to do. 18 MR. : And you come in. you walk 19 up the stairs for L Tier. 20 MR. : Um M Tier. He was on M 21 Tier I think which is the top. 22 : L Tier. 23 MR. : L Tier. Yes. 24 MR. : And do you recall which 25 cell it was? EFTA00112309 90 1 MR. : Uh the first one. As soon 2 as you go to the tier. 3 MR. : So you get up there. You 4 look in what do you see? 5 MR. : Um what do I see? Epstein 6 like not - uh - not tangible like not moving 7 not doing anything. And then everybody's like 8 fathered around him and then we tried to move 9 him to the stretcher. And then we started 10 working on him on the stretcher. 11 MR. : Was anyone performing CPR 12 when you walked in? 13 MR. : No I don't believe so. 14 Because I think they were trying to cut him 15 down before I got up there. I'm not saying I 16 don't know exactly what happened. But I'm 17 pretty sure they were cutting him down because 18 he did have some stuff wrapped around him. So 19 I think that's what happened. 20 MR. : So described it. What was 21 he wearing? 22 MR. : Uh. 23 MR. : I know it's kind of tough. 24 But. 25 MR. : Uh he had his orange EFTA00112310 91 1 2 3 4 boxers and uh the orange t-shirt. And I don't know if he had socks on or not. MR. : So he had orange boxers and he had an orange t-shirt on? 5 MR. : Yes. 6 7 MR. on him? : And what else did he have 8 MR. : I think whatever was 9 wrapped around him. They were trying to gut 10 that off. And move that out of the way. 11 MR. : So was it around his neck? 12 MR. : When I go there I didn't' 13 14 see. I can't tell you what it was wrapped around. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : But when I did see him, I 17 18 did see his neck was a little bit bruised though. 19 MR. : Did he have anything on 20 21 his head? Headphones anything like that? do you recall? 22 MR. : Not that I recall no. 23 MR. : And then where was he 24 laying when you walked in? 25 MR. : I think it was - by the EFTA00112311 92 1 time I got in they were moving him and it was 2 just get the stretcher and aid the 3 (Indiscernible *01:02:10). 4 MR. : Okay. And CPR was done 5 and then he was taken out? 6 MR. : We were working on him and 7 then medical came up and kept working on him. 8 And then we took him downstairs. 9 MR. : Do you recall how many 10 mattresses were on the floor if there were any? 11 MR. : I don't recall. 12 MR. : Okay. Is there anything 13 about when you walked in that stood out to you 14 about that cell? 15 MR. : Mm. no. nothing really 16 distinctive. Just SHU cell. 17 MR. : And you mentioned you saw 18 bruising. Where did you see bruising? 19 MR. : Around his neck. 20 MR. : On all sides or just one 21 side? 22 MR. : I think around all sides. 23 MR. : Okay. And after they took 24 him to medical, did you follow them down? 25 MR. : Yeah. I was - it was me EFTA00112312 93 1 and . We were doing chest compressions on 2 him until the second floor. And then we were in 3 medical. And was making his phone 4 calls and notifications. And I don't know if 5 gave him a shot but we had to keep 6 working on him. 7 MR. is in medical? 8 MR. : And the medical guy. And 9 then um they tried to give him the AD machine 10 upstairs and it didn't' work. And I think the 11 AD machine was still working on him when we 12 took him downstairs. We were still pumping on 13 the stretch. 14 MR. : And after the medical 15 office was be brought to the hospital? 16 MR. : That part I don't know 17 about. After all that happened, I just knew 18 that everything was short-staffed and since I 19 came in to do my job, there was nobody in 20 custody. So after all that I went up to the 21 Special Housing Unit and I worked there for 22 about an hour. 23 MR. : You went back to the SHU? 24 MR. : Yeah. 25 MR. : What did you do? EFTA00112313 94 1 MR. : Settled inmate population 2 down. They get a little rowdy when they see 3 stuff happen and don't' know what's going on. 4 So you've got to kind of just do custody work. 5 MR. : Who was in the SHU when 6 you were up there? 7 MR. : It was me, Lieutenant 8 She came up from somewhere. 9 Lieutenant was there. And um Officer 10 Noel was there also. 11 MR. : She was still there? 12 MR. : Yes. 13 MR. : What was she doing? 14 MR. : She just looked like a 15 little disheveled like she didn't know what was 16 going on. Just stressed. Because that was her 17 first suicide. So when you see something like 18 that you kind of don't know how you would uh 19 react. 20 MR. : Did you talk to her about 21 it? 22 MR. : I don't believe so. I 23 just kind of let her do her thing. And I just 24 had to get to - because they were feeding in 25 the morning time. So you have to you know try EFTA00112314 95 1 to settle everything down. 2 MR. : When you got up there and 3 um initially, do you recall if Officers Michael 4 Thomas or Noel Tova Noel made any statements. 5 Any comments to Lieutenant 6 MR. : I don't really recall. It 7 was like a mess. I don't really know what was 8 said. 9 MR. : Did you assist 10 in giving out food? 11 MR. : Yes. 12 MR. : Were you in the same tier 13 with them when she handed out the food? 14 MR. : Yes. 15 MR. : Do you recall any 16 interaction between her and the inmates? 17 MR. : Uh there was a lot of 18 things saying inmates said that were heard - 19 not right. 20 MR. : So what kind of stuff did 21 the inmates say? 22 MR. : You killed him. What they 23 say. You killed him. You weren't making 24 rounds. You killed him. You weren't making 25 rounds. You guys got to get a new job. You EFTA00112315 96 1 guys are done. A lot of fuck you this - your 2 mother this. You know. it was just a -. 3 MR. : Did say 4 anything back to them? 5 MR. : I don't believe so. I 6 don't know what she said to the inmates. Like 7 I said it was just like a - I don't know what 8 was said back and forth. 9 MR. : Do you recall if any 10 comments were made about providing an alibi for 11 the CO's? 12 MR. : No. I don't believe so. 13 MR. : Anything else on that? 14 : A lot. Um so we'll just 15 go in reverse order. So when you said you 16 killed him, who killed him? 17 MR. : They like the officers 18 killed Epstein. 19 : Did they - were they 20 referring to any specific officers? 21 MR. : The officers that were up 22 there - Thomas and Noel. Yeah. 23 : So they were saying that 24 they killed him? 25 MR. : Yeah. You guys killed EFTA00112316 97 1 him. 2 : And did they say anything 3 specifically about how? 4 MR. : No. they was just - they 5 were upset so they were just saying it but they 6 didn't say how. 7 : Did anyone say -? 8 MR. : They didn't say that they 9 went in the cells to try to kill him or open up 10 the grille. They just said you guys killed 11 him. But. 12 : And what was -? Did you 13 ask any follow-up questions with regard to 14 that? 15 MR. : I just know not to say 16 anything. So I just do what I have to do and 17 don't get involved in that. 18 : Did they provide any 19 other information with regard to when they were 20 saying you killed him? 21 MR. : Just that they didn't do 22 rounds. And that was pretty much about it. 23 : Did they say anything 24 more about not doing rounds or just said that 25 they didn't do any rounds? Or what did they EFTA00112317 98 1 2 3 4 say about that? MR. : They didn't do any rounds. They were sitting there all night. I don't think they came over here once. 5 : They said they came over 6 once? 7 MR. : They never came. They 8 never did any rounds. 9 : They said they never did 10 one. 11 MR. : No. 12 : Oh. So they never did 13 once. 14 MR. : Yeah. 15 : Is that what you mean. 16 MR. : Yeah. 17 : Okay. Did they mention 18 when they stopped doing rounds? 19 MR. : No. 20 : No? All right. You said 21 that when you came back it was Noel and 22 and yourself. Just the three of you. 23 MR. : Yes. I believe so. 24 : Was Thomas already gone 25 then? EFTA00112318 99 1 MR. : Yes. 2 : All right. Did you see 3 anyone near the officer station at that time? 4 MR. : No. I don't believe so. 5 : Do you know if anybody -. 6 MR. : Uh the round slips. I 7 don't know if anybody started to write stuff 8 down or anything. 9 : What about with regards 10 to Epstein file? DO you know if anyone went 11 into Epstein's file at that time? 12 MR. : I don't even know if he 13 had -. He had a SHU file but I don't know who 14 would have access to that. 15 : Wouldn't the SHU file be 16 right there in the SHU? 17 MR. : Yeah. But it's usually the 18 OIC would know where the file is. 19 : Okay. Did you see 20 at all around that desk area? 21 MR. : No. I don't know what 22 they were doing as far as the file or anything. 23 : Were you with 24 the whole time she was there? 25 MR. : Um I was feeding so I was EFTA00112319 100 1 kind of like by myself. Let me down the tier. 2 I'll feed. 3 : Okay. So you - I thought 4 you said that you were feeding with 5 at the same time. 6 MR. : No-no-no. She would do 7 something else and I take this tier and she was 8 doing something else. 9 : All right. So you would 10 each be in your own individual tier. 11 MR. : feeding. Yeah. 12 : And feeding. 13 MR. : Because there were only 14 two people to feed. 15 : All right. And was Noel 16 also feeding? 17 MR. : No. I think she was 18 opening the grill. 19 : She was opening the 20 grill. And she was standing on the outside? 21 MR. : Yes. 22 : And how does that work? 23 Are you allowed to be going and feeding by 24 yourself? And also going down -? 25 MR. : Still feeding. Yes. EFTA00112320 101 1 Because you're not opening the -. You're just 2 opening the slot. You're not opening the door 3 for the inmates. So that's okay. 4 : Okay. So that's all 5 right. Now did you notice anything else taking 6 place in there aside from feeding when you were 7 in there? 8 MR. : No. 9 : Around what time were you 10 in there? 11 MR. : Uh probably a little bit 12 after 6:00 a.m. 13 : So if he -. 14 MR. : And then I -. 15 If the body alarm gets activated at 6:33 16 a.m., about what time did you come back after 17 you did the lifesaving measures? 18 MR. : Um I probably went 19 downstairs, put my stuff away, and then I had 20 two TDY staff on me. They stayed in the 21 basement. 22 : When you say the basement 23 what does that mean? 24 MR. : In my office. They were 25 in my office. Because I didn't know anything EFTA00112321 102 1 would happen. And they just didn't need to be 2 a part of anything that was transpired. So. 3 : But they weren't in the 4 SHU? 5 MR. : No they never went to the 6 SHU. They never responded to the body alarm. 7 : So do you think you were 8 back in the SHU by about 7:00 a.m.? 9 MR. : Before 7:00 a.m. 10 : So prior to 7:00 a.m. and 11 then 12 MR. : Yeah. 13 : Then you stayed in there 14 until almost 8:00 a.m.? 15 MR. : I don't even know. I 16 stayed in there for a quite a while. I'm not 17 too sure. 18 : By - while you were in 19 there, did SIS or anyone else come in and start 20 preserving evidence? 21 MR. : I don't believe anybody 22 was here to start doing any of that. 23 : Okay. So by the time you 24 left -. You left - when you left there, who 25 was still there? EFTA00112322 103 1 MR. : I don't even know who came 2 up early honestly. 3 : No? But someone did 4 relieve you? 5 MR. : Yes. Somebody did relieve 6 me. Then I got asked about cameras and phone 7 calls and -. 8 : Right. So it's just a 9 whirlwind? 10 MR. : Yeah. Just a - yeah. 11 : And when you saw Epstein, 12 are you sure he had a shirt on? 13 MR. : Pretty sure. Did he have 14 a shirt on? I'm not for sure. Honestly. I 15 don't really remember that. 16 : Can you remember yourself 17 actually doing those chest compressions? 18 MR. : I was doing chest 19 compressions. 20 : Do you remember -? 21 MR. : Oh. We had to take his 22 shirt off. Okay. Yeah. We had to take his 23 shirt off. 24 : So you actually took it 25 off? EFTA00112323 104 1 MR. : Yeah. 2 : Do you remember taking it 3 off? 4 MR. : Yeah because that's how 5 you got to put on the AD. So the shirt came 6 off. 7 : Do you remember it 8 actually taking it off or that it was off 9 already? 10 MR. : Maybe it was off already. 11 : But you can't recall? 12 MR. : No. 13 : And when you said when 14 you arrived, you're not - there was no one 15 doing chest compressions at the time that you 16 arrived? 17 MR. : They were - I think they 18 were trying to cut him down and we - and I 19 think I went to go get the stretcher and the AD 20 so by the time I came back, whatever they were 21 doing to try to move him 22 : Yeah. 23 MR. : -- by the time we got the 24 stretcher, that's when we started working on 25 him. Because you obviously can't work on him EFTA00112324 105 1 because he's hanging up and -. 2 : So you believe he was 3 actually hanging by the time - when you got 4 there? 5 MR. : They were moving him down. 6 He was in an up position and they were lowering 7 him down to whatever position. 8 : All right. So he may not 9 have been actually hanging but he was like 10 sitting up? 11 MR. : I'm not too sure. 12 : You don't know? 13 MR. : Yeah. 14 : Okay. 15 MR. : Somebody was holding him 16 so I don't know if he was -. If they were like 17 trying to -. 18 : So just walk me through 19 that. What exactly did you see? When you say 20 someone was holding him. What do you mean by 21 holding him? 22 MR. : Okay. So you get in the 23 SHU. There's not a lot space in the SHU. 24 : Totally. 25 MR. : So if an inmate is EFTA00112325 106 1 hanging, usually you try to hold them and make 2 sure you know you can cut them down. And with 3 all that going on, I think I went to get the AD 4 and the um -. Because there was enough staff 5 there. I didn't need to go in the cell. 6 There's no space. 7 : Okay. 8 MR. : So I just got the AD or 9 the stretcher and bring it back. 10 : But you believe - there - 11 are you confident that there were actually - he 12 was like in an upright position when you first 13 saw him? 14 MR. : Yeah. I'm pretty sure. He 15 wasn't laying down. It was (Indiscernible 16 *01:12:00). 17 : So he was not laying down 18 yet -- 19 MR. : Was he laying down? 20 : -- and they weren't 21 already working on him. 22 MR. : Uh. I don't really. I 23 remember him being moved. I don't know if he 24 was laying down when I first got there. I 25 don't really -. EFTA00112326 107 1 2 3 4 : Yeah. MR. : That I can't say for sure. I know he was being moved when I initially got there. And then I went down. I can't say he 5 was laying down because I didn't 6 : All right. 7 MR. -- see him. 8 9 being moved. : But you do know he was 10 MR. : Yes. 11 : You just don't - and you 12 13 believe he was in an upright - like seated-type position. 14 MR. : Or whatever position he 15 16 was they were trying to move him out of that position. 17 : Okay. 18 19 MR. whatever. : To administer first aid or 20 : So when is the first time 21 22 that you know he was actually receiving chest compressions? 23 24 MR. on the stretcher. : Uh as soon as we put him 25 : Did anyone check for EFTA00112327 108 1 breath or a pulse? 2 MR. : Uh the duty PA. Uh 3 And then he put the AD on. The AD 4 tells you if there's a pulse or anything. And 5 staying clear so they could do the shock. 6 : All right. So prior 7 that's the first you know chest compressions 8 were ever done though? 9 MR. : Yes. 10 : Okay. 11 MR. : I've just got a follow-up 12 on that question. 13 : All right. 14 MR. : Mm. 15 MR. : When you walked in and 16 when they started doing the chest -. Where was 17 his body being - like when you walk in His 18 bunk is there. 19 MR. : Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : And we know there's a -- 21 MR. : Corner 22 MR. : -- corner. Right? 23 MR. : Yeah. 24 MR. : Which way was his head 25 facing head? And where was his legs? EFTA00112328 109 1 MR. : He was kind of like 2 somebody was just holding him. So I can't 3 really tell if he was going this way or that 4 But somebody was behind him physically holding 5 him like this trying to move him. 6 MR. : Were they trying to get 7 him out of the corner and bring him out? 8 MR. : Yeah. I believe that's 9 what was going on. But there was no way to put 10 him there because you can't put him on the 11 ground to do anything. So that's when we - 12 free to get the stretcher and AD machine. 13 MR. : Why couldn't they put him 14 down on the ground? 15 MR. : I usually put them down on 16 the ground. But usually it just second nature. 17 You always get a stretcher. Because you don't 18 want none of the inmates seeing you work on an 19 inmate. It never looks good. So you kind of - 20 you just - everything is just so fast. Like it 21 just moves just like a - it's not like you wait 22 or hesitate. But you just kind of know what to 23 do. There's no hesitation. But you just know 24 what's going to happen and you never really 25 want to work in front of the inmates or the EFTA00112329 110 1 inmates behind a door. Like that's not a good 2 idea. So you try to move them as much so you 3 can really start working them. 4 MR. : SO you don't think anyone 5 did CPR on him until he was moved over? 6 MR. : No. We did CPR on him. 7 I'm pretty sure somebody did. but it was just 8 a process of everything was so -. Everything 9 just happened like this where it just didn't 10 seem like -. It seemed like it took minutes 11 but it probably just took seconds the way 12 everything was going. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 : So I guess is there any 15 reason for you to believe that Epstein didn't 16 take his own life? 17 MR. : No. 18 : Do you believe Epstein 19 took his own life? 20 MR. : Yes. I believe so. 21 : Were the inmates saying 22 anything about anyone going into Epstein's 23 cell? 24 MR. : No. 25 : So all they said was that EFTA00112330 111 1 they didn't check - they didn't do their 2 rounds? 3 MR. : The rounds. They didn't 4 do anything all night. 5 : So do you believe that's 6 what they meant by you killed him? 7 MR. : Yes. They didn't do their 8 job. 9 : So they didn't do their 10 job -. 11 MR. : And with them -. Yeah. 12 They didn't. By them not doing their rounds, 13 they can't check to see if he was breathing or 14 what's going on. 15 : And that's how they 16 killed him. 17 MR. : Yeah. That's how they 18 killed him. 19 : All right. As far as 20 when you were in there. After you come back up 21 to the SHU, after you leave the medical unit. 22 You said you got there before 7:00 a.m. The 23 entire time you were in there for approximately 24 one hour. Was in there with you? 25 MR. : Um 1 don't recall. She EFTA00112331 112 1 might have came down and checked on things. 2 The lieutenant came down and checked to see 3 what was going on. And that was about it. And 4 then we have to write our statements about what 5 transpired. 6 : Oh did you and 7 both write statements? 8 MR. : No. I wrote my own 9 statement. 10 : You wrote your own 11 statement? But you did write a statement? 12 MR. : Yes. 13 : Did also 14 write a statement though? 15 MR. : I believe so. I'm not too 16 sure. She's a lieutenant. She should know to 17 write a statement but I -. 18 : Okay. 19 MR. : That's something that 20 yeah. I don't have to write a statement. 21 : And where you do write 22 statements from? 23 MR. : Um my computer. I just go 24 to my desk and -. 25 : Okay. And would have EFTA00112332 113 1 also written one though? Like 2 did - was she one of the responding officers? 3 Or did she just come up to help feed? 4 MR. : I don't know if she came 5 up with the body alarm. It was I don't 6 think she was there initially when everything 7 happened. So I don't think yeah. 8 : So she wouldn't have 9 written a statement the. Correct? 10 MR. : No. 11 : So do you recall at the 12 time that you left the SHU. Do you know if she 13 was still in there? 14 MR. : Um I don't know. 15 : You're not sure? 16 MR. : I don't know. Yeah. 17 : And again, did you see 18 anyone that was int her around that officer 19 station? 20 MR. : I just there was - working 21 on the tier making sure I do rounds and try to 22 talk to the inmates to settle them down as much 23 as I could. 24 : Okay. But you didn't 25 notice any files being manipulated. EFTA00112333 114 1 MR. : No. nobody was going by 2 the desk or doing anything like that. like I 3 didn't see anybody trying to go and grab stuff 4 or move stuff around. Like I didn't see any of 5 that. 6 : Okay. Okay. And you 7 didn't see anybody actually take papers or -? 8 MR. : Yeah. And I'm pretty sure 9 if somebody did it, it would probably be on 10 camera too. Because that camera was working 11 so. 12 13 : Well that camera that 14 you're talking about that was working - you 15 can't make anything out on it. 16 MR. : Yeah. Yeah. You can't 17 really make anything out. 18 : So even if someone's near 19 there, you can't really see what they're doing. 20 MR. : Really see what they're 21 doing yeah. But I don't think anybody was 22 going there to do anything. Because I don't 23 even think anybody knew like what the hell was 24 going on. 25 : Okay. EFTA00112334 115 1 MR. : To be honest with you. It 2 was like what the hell just happened. 3 : Okay. And as far as 4 that. that is the one and only camera? That 5 one that was up by 10 South that was working. 6 MR. : Yes. That was working. 7 : All right. Then nothing 8 else. Nothing else that was ever working. 9 MR. : Um there was other ones in 10 the Sally portion. But nothing as far as the 11 SHU. That was the only one in the SHU. 12 : Um. All right. So as 13 far as that camera though that was showing 14 people - who was going in and out of the SHU. 15 Was that working? 16 MR. : Um the 9 Sally I'm not too 17 sure. 18 : Okay. 19 MR. : That I'm not too sure 20 about. 21 MR. : You just said it was 22 working. 23 MR. : I'm not - no I'm not sure 24 if it was recording. When that Sally camera 25 was recording. EFTA00112335 116 1 : Yeah. That's what I was 2 saying. The difference between working and 3 recording to him is if it's actually live feed 4 5 : Yeah. I can't tell you. 6 Yeah. It gets confusing. 7 : Um. But. All right. 8 And again. You believe that - sorry. Start 9 over. You believe Epstein took his own life. 10 MR. : Yes. 11 : Okay. 12 MR. : Based on the agent's 13 question. You said you were doing feeding. 14 Did you do feeding on L Tier after? The tier 15 that Epstein was found in. Did you -? 16 MR. : I probably did yeah. 17 Because I don't really. I probably did. 18 MR. : How long were you up there 19 for? 20 MR. : I don't know. 21 MR. : Do you recall if his cell 22 was secured? Or was it left open? 23 MR. : Initially it was probably 24 left open and- 25 MR. : For how long? EFTA00112336 117 1 MR. : I don't know. I'm not too 2 sure. But then I think when I came back to 3 feed - because we lock all the cells. It's 4 probably locked when I started doing feeding. 5 MR. : But were there CO's going 6 in and out of there? 7 MR. : No. there's no reason to 8 go inside of a cell. And everybody knows like 9 after a suicide, it's a crime scene. So 10 usually you just stay away from there. So. 11 MR. : DO you recall 12 approximately when they came and they secured 13 it a crime scene? 14 MR. : I'm not too sure When that 15 happened. 16 MR. : But it wasn't secured when 17 you left? 18 MR. : Um when I - when I went 19 down there for the body alarm it wasn't secure. 20 I mean when I took him down to medical doing 21 chest compressions. He wasn't - it wasn't 22 secured. I don't really -. But when I came 23 back upstairs it was secured. The door was 24 locked I believe. 25 MR. : Okay. EFTA00112337 118 1 : And I know I was honing 2 in on , but what about Noel? Did 3 you see Noel near the officers' station at all? 4 MR. : Uh I believe she received 5 a phone call or somebody wanted to see what was 6 going on. Asked them like what happened or 7 : Oh. Did you see her 8 manipulating any files or dealing with any 9 paperwork? 10 MR. : I don't believe so. 11 : No? All right. And then 12 going way back to our initial conversation you 13 said that you put in a work order for 14 Was that on the 9th? 15 MR. : Um probably before yeah. 16 Of July. Um. 17 : no. that would have been 18 August 9th. The day before Epstein was found. 19 MR. : Yeah. I was just 20 troubleshooting with them. I was on the phone 21 with them. It's not really a work order. Just 22 you know I call them up. Hey, this what's 23 going on what should we do. 24 : Okay. So there would be 25 no paperwork showing -. EFTA00112338 119 1 MR. : Um from - saying that they 2 have paperwork. 3 : So they would show that 4 you called -- 5 MR. : Yes. 6 : -- and you said that 7 these things were down. 8 MR. : Yeah. And I was having 9 problems. 10 : And do you have any of 11 those files? 12 MR. : No. They have their own 13 files they keep. 14 : Just they would be able 15 to like -. 16 MR. : Yeah. And I was on -. 17 Since that happened, I was pretty much on the 18 phone with them for like a week after that. so 19 they would have records of when I called or 20 whatever happened. 21 : All right. And then as 22 far as - and now we're going way to the 23 beginning. You said that you were - you did - 24 you were interviewed by the FBI. You said on 25 the 10th you were also interviewed by them EFTA00112339 120 1 after the 10th of August? 2 MR. : Because I was the subject 3 matter expert as far as the cameras go. So 4 they want to know like how can you find video 5 if you could find video. Or could I do. And 6 then they came and the next day they tried to - 7 As soon as I found the video, that's the 8 real video they wanted because they wanted to 9 make sure they had something in it. Because 10 they were pretty mad that there was no video at 11 all. And I found that video. Because I wasn't 12 sure what was on the recorders or what wasn't 13 on the recorders at one point. 14 15 vide? 16 MR. : And that's the 10 South : Yes. 17 : And um do you know if 18 that video was ever enhanced to be able to see 19 it more clearly? 20 MR. : I have no idea if they did 21 or did not. 22 : But you did not? 23 MR. : No. I did not do that. 24 : Do you even have that 25 ability to do that? EFTA00112340 121 1 MR. : Not without software we 2 have. No. Not going to happen. 3 : Okay. 4 MR. : You mentioned maybe I'm 5 mistaken. You mentioned there was a work order 6 created prior to the 9th for the cameras. 7 MR. : Yeah. There was a few 8 work orders that the recorders were going down 9 or failing. We have problems. 10 MR. : When were those created? 11 MR. : Uh maybe a year before or 12 six months before. It was just a constant 13 thing as far as the cameras not working. 14 Because we was trying to get upgraded. We were 15 trying to get money spent. So we have to 16 create - any time there's a problem, I have to 17 create a work order or tell like the regional 18 office like there's a problem. Because it's a 19 work order over 10,000 so they have to put 20 money aside to do the work. Like it's not a 21 quick fix to fix the recorders. 22 MR. : And these recorders were 23 maintained in house or only by 24 MR. : The work orders we have 25 are maintained here in house. EFTA00112341 122 1 MR. : Who would have access to 2 that? 3 MR. : Um the facility manager. 4 MR. : Okay. 5 MR. : Anybody in facilities 6 pretty much would have access to it. But 7 really facility manager. 8 MR. : On August 9th when you saw 9 that the system was down. Has it gone down 10 just like that before? 11 MR. : Yes. 12 MR. : How long did it take you 13 to fix it? 14 MR. : Sometimes maybe a day 15 maybe two days - maybe a couple days. And the 16 thing - and I have to stress also - is just 17 because I saw it down -. Because I don't check 18 it every day. I don't know if it was down for 19 a week, a month, you know, it's not one of 20 those things you check all the time. But I 21 would - since we were having problems more 22 readily, I would always check like once a week 23 to make sure it was working. But before it was 24 not like okay I've got to go up here and check 25 it because it wasn't happening. EFTA00112342 123 1 MR. : That was my next question. 2 Did you just happen to walk in there that day? 3 Or -? 4 MR. : I already knew we were 5 having issues. And I think I got the hard 6 drives out. Because I was going to take them 7 up there and see what was going on. 8 MR. : Now based on the fact that 9 this happened before. Right. Was that same 10 exact situation. Same exact -. 11 MR. : Yes. 12 MR. : Same exact drives? 13 MR. : Um I think it's switched. 14 It could have been recorder one and then 15 recorder two. I don't think it was just the 16 same recorder all the time because one recorder 17 was actually the whole motherboard have to get 18 replaced. And that was again I think that was 19 recorder two. And before drives would go out 20 on one or two, so it was just random. They 21 were old. They just needed to get replaced. 22 MR. : And at that point you knew 23 that the drives were not recording. 24 MR. : Yes. 25 MR. : Were any actions taken to EFTA00112343 124 1 make sure that is this does happen in the 2 future that at least something would be 3 recorded? 4 MR. : Yes. Exactly that. 5 MR. : What actions were taken? 6 MR. : Um now we have redundant 7 drives. So if one drive fails, you always have 8 a backup. 9 MR. : No-no. I'm talking about 10 prior to the 9th. 11 MR. : Oh. Prior to the 9th? 12 No. There was really nothing. They just knew 13 we had a problem. We had ordered the new 14 system. We were online to get it installed. 15 But we were just not lucky to get it installed. 16 MR. : And that recorder would 17 show that there was an order for -? 18 MR. : Yeah. And that we have 19 the shipping stuff for the system actually. It 20 was here. It was in the building. 21 MR. : You just didn't get it 22 installed yet. 23 MR. : Didn't get installed. It 24 got installed a couple - um the = happened on 25 the 9th, 10th, or 11th. That's when the new EFTA00112344 125 1 system got installed. 2 MR. : I got nothing else. 3 : Yeah. The other thing. 4 We've already asked you this but I just want to 5 make sure. So the title of you supervisor did 6 you say facilities manager? 7 MR. : Yes. 8 : And how would we again 9 figure out who that was at the time? 10 MR. : Uh I don't know. you 11 would just have to ask. I'm not too sure who 12 the facility manager was. 13 : But you don't even know 14 how -(Indiscernible *01:24:08) 15 MR. : I think it was 16 (Phonetic Sp. *01:24:09) but I'm not 17 too sure. Because he was maybe Acting at the 18 time. Id don't think he got the position yet. 19 MR. : Is he the facilities 20 manager now? 21 MR. : Now yes he is. 22 : And again you know you 23 notified whoever was the facilities manager at 24 the time. 25 MR. : Or my general foreman EFTA00112345 126 1 usually. It's one of those two. I usually 2 notify both of them. 3 : So the general manager 4 and/or the general foreman? 5 : And general foreman. Yeah. 6 I have to notify somebody. I can't just walk 7 out of the building and not say anything. 8 : And you said you're 9 positive you definitely made those 10 notifications? 11 MR. : Yeah. I had to. Because 12 I was coming back the next day to do work. 13 : Um you said it was the 14 general foreman? 15 MR. : Yes. 16 : Um and do you know of -? 17 MR. : Bu I don't even think we 18 had a general foreman. I'm not too sure. It 19 was two years ago. I'm not even sure if we had 20 a general foreman. 21 : And being thought that 22 this was such a big deal and these cameras were 23 such a big part of it, did you ever learn if 24 either of those people ever passed the 25 information up? EFTA00112346 127 1 MR. 2 3 spoken of? 4 MR. : Mm no. : So no that was never : No. 5 : And you guys didn't - you 6 never had that conversation with those 7 supervisors after the fact? 8 MR. : Uh it was Did we have 9 a conversation after? I never really asked if 10 it got -. They - I'm pretty sure everybody 11 knew it wasn't working because I came back the 12 next day. So -. 13 : So did they ever - did 14 anyone ever say anything to you about like hey 15 why didn't tell me? 16 MR. : No. I don't get that. 17 no. 18 : No? 19 MR. : No. I'm not going to get 20 that. 21 : All right. 22 MR. : Because I would have told 23 somebody. I'm not going to leave. 24 : Okay. 25 MR. : Because I came from EFTA00112347 128 1 another jail. I can't just leave and not say 2 anything. That's -. 3 : So like SIS or the 4 captain never came up to you and said he what's 5 happened. Why didn't you let anybody know. 6 MR. : No. 7 : So. Okay. 8 MR. : Because it was a known 9 problem that the recorders were going down. So 10 I'd have to say hey, this is what's going on. 11 : Gotcha. 12 MR. : I'm trying to fix it. 13 I'll be back tomorrow. 14 : Okay. I think that's all 15 I've got. 16 MR. : That's all I have. Is 17 there anything else you think we should have 18 asked you that we didn't ask? 19 MR. : Um. It's an investigation 20 I just - I just hope this never happens again. 21 I'm mean I was comfortable because I came from 22 another institution. I knew what I was doing 23 as far as the cameras and recorders. And I 24 know how all that stuff works. But I just with 25 the Bureau would be more proactive as far as EFTA00112348 129 1 maintenance and buying new stuff. Like I know 2 now they are like more on top everything. But 3 it's not really - it's not good. 4 : All right. 5 MR. : That's just my only thing. 6 : So still to date? 7 MR. : Yeah. They still got to 8 do a lot of improvements. 9 : Okay. 10 MR. : Yeah. 11 : So you don't believe it's 12 actually been rectified? There still needs a 13 lot of work. 14 MR. : Oh yeah. I've been to 15 other institutions. There's a lot of camera 16 work that needs to get done. As far as 17 Yeah. 18 : To just to keep up to 19 date with other institutions. 20 MR. : Uh no. this institution 21 is fine. I've did a lot of overtime here. 22 : Oh. Oh. Sure. I 23 thoughts that what you were saying. I thought 24 you meant MCC's not up to speed. 25 MR. : No. we're up to speed. EFTA00112349 130 1 We're thing the curve. We got IP cameras 2 pretty much everywhere. But I'm just saying 3 overall I just with the Bureau was more 4 proactive. And like when I came to this 5 institution for instance like there was only 6 one camera in a housing unit. When I was in 7 Brooklyn, I was custody, it was cameras all 8 over the place. I went to Indiana and I was a 9 contact at a complex which was a high, medium, 10 low, there's a camp, there's a death row. 11 There's cameras everywhere. I come to this 12 jail, New York City. And I'm expecting cameras 13 everywhere. And one of the first things was 14 like oh we don't have money for that. we don't 15 have money for this. We don't have money for 16 that. and I just kept saying hey, you guys got 17 to do something. This is a problem. God 18 forbid this is what happened. But I just wish 19 there was more proactivity. Like -. 20 : But right now MCC is -. 21 MR. : We're good. Yeah we're 22 good. We don't have any issues. 23 : So when you mad that 24 statement you're talking about other 25 facilities. EFTA00112350 131 1 MR. 2 general. I wish the Bureau would invest more 3 money. : Yes. Other facilities in 4 : Okay. 5 MR. : And training too. Like 6 just getting new equipment. That's not it. 7 Also train the staff. Because even like when I 8 learned how to do the cameras stuff, it was 9 just me over the phone with . I never 10 really went to a physical training. Hey, 11 this is the system you have. Take this 12 drive out, do X, Y, and Z. I'm just like I'm 13 on the phone. I'm looking at it. Okay. The 14 light is this color. This is - I'm a smart 15 guy. I could figure it out. But at the same 16 time like -. 17 : Right 18 MR. : Somebody that's not really 19 savvy it's Yeah. Going to be lost. 20 : All right. Thank you so 21 much for taking your time. I know you just had 22 that lead training. So I really appreciate 23 that. 24 MR. : Yeah. 25 MR. : Thank you Mr. EFTA00112351 132 1 again. So if there's nothing else, this is 2 Special Agent The time is 3:44 3 p.m. on Thursday July 15, 2021. I am turning 4 of the recorder. Ending the interview and 5 turning off the recorder. 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00112352 133 CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of Marci Bratton, Transcriber EFTA00112353 A Ability - 120:25 Able - 53:10, 60:16, 75:3, 119:14, 120:18 Above - 5:21 Accordingly - 5:13 Acknowledge - 36: 11 Act - 5:5 Acting - 125:17 Action - 5:14 Actions - 123:25, 124:5 Activated - 101:15 Active - 8:14 Actual - 18:18, 39:11, 73:10, 79:19 AD - 86:4, 93:9, 93:11, 104:5, 104:19, 106:3, 106:8, 108:3, 109:12 Add - 20:13 Added - 66:21 Adding - 20:16 Additional - 75:18, 75:23 Address - 7:5, 18:7 Addressed - 18:5, 26:11 Administer - 107:18 Advise - 49:8 Afternoon - 76:8 Again - 3:23, 18:20, 44:5, 59:5, 64:9, 113:17, 116:8, 123:18, 125:8, 125:22, 128:20, 132:1 Against - 5:15, 5:24 Agency - 5:18 Agent - 3:1, 3:4, 3:18, 3:20, 3:23, 4:1, 6:7, 6:9, 6:11, 132:2 Agent's - 116:12 Ago -10:8, 67:3, 81:5, 126:19 Agree - 4:18 Aid - 92:2, 107:18 Alarm - 12:20, 85:2, 85:3, 85:8, 86:15, 101:15, 102:6, 113:5,117:19 Alibi - 96:10 Allowed - 60:19, 100:23 Almost - 76:12, 102:14 Along - 57:8 Already - 25:8, 86:23, 88:15, 98:24, 104:9, 104:10, 106:21, 123:4, 125:4 Altogether - 27:24, 53:7 Always - 17:18, 24:15, 37:1, 40:9, 68:15, 109:17, 122:22, 124:7 Am - 3:23, 5:21, 6:11, 132:3 Amber - 43:12, 45:9, 53:1 Ambers - 43:14 Ambulance - 86:10 Amended - 5:5 Analog - 15:19, 15:20, 15:23, 15:24, 16:4, 16:8, 16:11, 16:13, 16:16, 21:15, 22:25, 59:16, 68:10, 68:12 And/Or - 126:4 --94:8, 94:9, 95:9, 96:3, 98:22, 99:20, 99:23, 100:4, 100:24, 111:24, 112:6, 112:13, 113:1, 118:2 Another - 9:22, 17:11, 25:4, 27:4, 30:22, 57:12, 59:13, 128:1, 128:22 Answer - 5:14, 5:16, 5:22 Answered - 40:2, 56:2 Answers - 4:17 Anybody's -14:1 Anyway - 58:2 Anywhere - 25:23 Apartment - 7:9 Apologize - 4:13, 49:5 Appreciate - 131:22 Approved - 25:10, 51:1, 51:4 Approximately - 29 :17, 40:8, 40:16, 41:23, 56:15, 111:23, 117:12 Area - 30:19, 30:21, 31:3, 32:14, 34:21, 35:4, 35:8, 38:3, 66:24, 75:14, 99:20 Aren't 46:25, 49:13, 80:21 Around - 10:8, 18:15, 20:20, 23:17, 46:11, 50:19, 64:23, 82:9, 90:8, 90:18, 91:9, 91:11, 91:14, 92:19, 92:22, 99:20, 101:9, 113:18, 114:4 Arrived - 87:22, 104:14, 104:16 Arrow - 31:18, 32:5, 32:11 Aside - 43:2, 101:6, 121:20 Ask - 6:23, 61:1, 63:25, 97:13, 125:11, 128:18 Asked - 4:17, 5:1, 49:6, 78:22, 103:6, 118:6, 125:4, 127:9, 128:18 Asking - 82:17 Assist - 95:9 Assistant's - 3:17 Associate - 19:25, 20:4 Assurances - 4:24, 5:20 Attempted - 70:24 AW 19:25, 20:3 Aware - 38:13 Away - 88:4, 101:19, 117:10 Aws - 62:21 B Background - 11:12 Backup - 124:8 Bad - 23:12, 27:7, 47:9, 58:3, 70:17, 72:25 Bailey - 21:3 Base - 73:10 Based - 68:11, 116:12, 123:8 Basement - 101:21, 101:22 Basically - 44:18 Basis - 4:25 Became - 9:16, 9:23 Beckwin - 19:8, 19:9 Become - 11:6 Beginning - 40:4, 119:23 Behind - 51:25, 61:7, 109:4, 110:1 Being - 3:10, 3:14, 4:17, 5:1, 5:2, 5:4, 18:5, 22:5, 40:2, 46:17, 49:20, 83:21, 83:25, 106:23, 107:3, 107:9, 108:17, 113:25, 126:21 Below - 6:2 Best - 40:23 Between - 19:10, 41:7, 75:25, 95:16, 116:2 Big - 28:22, 126:22, 126:23 Biggest -17:8 Birth - 7:8, 7:10 Bit - 52:23, 55:23, 86:13, 91:17, 101:11 Bits - 70:19 Board - 24:25 Body - 85:2, 85:3, 85:7, 86:15, 101:15, 102:6, 108:17, 113:5,117:19 Bogs - 68:2 BOP - 8:9, 9:7, 12:15, 83:24 Both - 4:5, 5:19, 15:22, 28:23, 55:9, 112:7, 126:2 Bottom - 18:24, 29:10 Box - 34:22 Boxers - 91:1, 91:3 Breath - 108:1 Breathing - 111:13 Bring - 106:9, 109:7 Broadcast -48:24 Brooklyn - 9:14, 130:7 Brought - 93:15 Bruised - 91:17 Bruising - 92:18 Bu - 126:17 Building - 13:21, 124:20, 126:7 Builds - 24:17 Bunch - 56:13 Bunk - 108:18 Bureau - 3:8, 8:21, 11:11, 11:13, 11:20, 20:2, 128:25, 130:3, 131:2 Bus - 36:4, 46:22 Buses - 36:5 Button - 39:13 Buying - 129:1 C Called - 24:5, 43:15, 83:24, 119:4, 119:19 Calling - 36:17 Calls - 78:23, 78:24, 79:24, 80:6, 80:21, 82:25, 83:1, 83:2, 83:20, 93:4, 103:7 Camera's - 65:15 Camp - 130:10 Captain - 46:19, 49:8, 49:13, 49:17, 49:18, 50:12, 50:13, 50:16, 50:24, 62:21, 128:4 Captain's -49:12 Case - 24:18, 83:25, 84:5 Cause 51:13, 64:16 Cell - 7:14, 87:22, 89:25, 92:14, 92:16, 106:5, 110:23, 116:21, 117:8 Cells - 97:9, 117:3 Center - 3:15, 37:4, 37:5, 39:3, 39:6, 65:18 Central - 74:18, 75:1 Certain -12:5 Change - 14:25, 17:19, 17:21, 42:13 Changed - 36:9 Channels - 27:8, 27:17 Chaos - 44:16 Charge - 25:14, 82:16 - 19:8, 19:9, 85:21, 86:19, 86:20 Check - 13:23, 14:9, 14:11, 14:13, 82:8, 107:25, 111:1, 111:13, 122:17, 122:20, 122:22, 122:24 Checked - 17:4, 112:1, 112:2 Checking - 17:2 Checklist - 14:16, 15:6 Checks - 43:23 Chest - 86:9, 88:3, 93:1, 103:17, 103:18, 104:15, 107:21, 108:7, 108:16, 117:21 Choose - 5:15 - 125:15 Circle - 31:18 Circumstances - 4: 16, 7:4, 58:22 City - 8:3, 9:25, 130:12 Clarify - 7:1 Clean - 63:2 Clear - 68:23, 108:5 EFTA00112354 Clearly - 120:19 Close - 74:21 Closed - 74:22 Closets - 59:17 CO - 80:9, 80:12 Coercion - 5:23 Coincidence - 64:1 0 Coincidental - 59:3, 59:4, 65:8 College - 7:19, 7:20, 7:21, 7:24, 8:1, 11:24 Color - 131:14 - 93:3, 93:5, 93:7, 108:3 Comes - 46:8 Comfortable - 128: 21 Coming - 30:9, 36:7, 47:24, 51:2, 51:6, 83:7, 83:16, 126:12 Command - 39:6 Comments - 95:5, 96:10 Common - 30:19, 30:21, 31:3, 32:14, 35:4, 35:8, 38:2 Communication - 1 3:22, 14:1 Community - 7:21, 7:25 Company - 43:16 Complain - 63:1 Completely - 59:3 Complex - 9:20, 130:9 Component - 12:5 Compressions - 86 :9, 88:3, 93:1, 103:17, 103:19, 104:15, 107:22, 108:7, 117:21 Computer - 14:5, 25:1, 51:9, 68:11, 71:21, 73:21, 74:2, 112:23 Computers - 16:24, 67:25 Conducted - 3:10, 3:15, 5:2, 5:4 Confident - 106:11 Confusing - 15:20, 116:6 Connected - 73:15 Constant - 121:12 Contact - 24:8, 46:23, 55:15, 130:9 Contractor - 11:15 Control - 36:4, 36:5, 36:10, 37:4, 37:5, 39:3, 39:15, 65:18, 80:20 Conversation - 118: 12, 127:6, 127:9 Converted - 16:9, 16:15 Copy - 25:23, 79:14, 81:9, 81:11 Cores - 12:5 Corner - 37:18, 37:20, 37:24, 38:1, 108:21, 108:22, 109:7 Corps - 8:16, 12:10, 12:14 Correct - 113:9 Correctional - 3:15, 9:14 Corrupt - 71:13, 71:19 CO's - 96:11, 117:5 Couldn't - 46:23, 71:23, 72:4, 109:13 Couple - 44:4, 122:15, 124:24 Course - 20:7, 66:22 Court - 83:12 CPR - 90:11, 92:4, 110:5, 110:6 Crack - 36:16 Create - 121:16, 121:17 Created - 25:8, 26:10, 121:6, 121:10 Credentials - 3:7, 4:2 Crime - 117:9, 117:13 Criminal - 5:18 Crossed - 34:8 Current - 7:5, 7:14, 10:17 Curve - 130:1 Custody - 58:12, 93:20, 94:4, 130:7 Cut - 90:14, 104:18, 106:2 Cutting - 90:17 D Daily - 13:19, 14:8 Daniels - 3:8, 4:3 Date - 6:12, 7:8, 7:9, 9:3, 17:10, 17:13, 129:6, 129:19 Dates - 10:11, 82:9 Days -44:4, 81:21, 122:15 Deal - 126:22 Dealing - 118:8 Death - 4:15, 20:21, 20:22, 21:11, 25:16, 25:19, 25:20, 130:10 Decide - 32:4, 57:3 Definitely - 38:2, 38:3, 126:9 Definitively - 54:3 Dennis - 3:18, 4:1, 6:11 Department - 3:5, 3:11, 4:22 Described - 90:20 Desk - 99:20, 112:24, 114:2 Devices - 58:25 Dialed - 80:3 Didn't' - 60:9, 91:12, 93:10 Dies - 58:19 Difference - 41:6, 116:2 Different - 24:14, 34:1, 36:13, 41:11, 42:6, 52:23, 53:4, 53:6, 70:6, 70:18, 72:1 Differentiate - 33:2 5, 41:2 Differently - 47:4 Digital - 15:21, 16:1, 16:9, 16:17, 23:1, 65:21 Directing - 89:16 Direction - 31:19, 32:5, 32:11, 66:8 Directly - 8:25, 35:2, 58:13 Discharge - 8:18 Disciplinary - 5:14, 5:18 Disconnect - 62:14 Disconnecting - 62: 10, 62:11 Disheveled - 94:15 Distinctive - 92:16 Document - 24:17 Documented - 50:8 Documents - 21:1 Does - 11:9, 13:18, 40:19, 43:21, 43:22, 62:21, 71:14, 71:18, 74:17, 100:22, 101:23, 124:1 Doesn't - 24:19, 27:11, 72:16, 76:17 Doesn't' - 5:9, 11:24, 39:20 DOJ - 3:18, 4:14, 4:21, 79:17 Done - 14:24, 74:7, 78:19, 82:8, 92:4, 96:1, 108:8, 129:16 Don't' - 34:12, 94:3 Doors - 36:8, 52:5, 74:20 Downstairs - 15:13, 92:8, 93:12, 101:19 Drawing - 33:18 Drew - 33:20 Dry - 55:24 Duration - 80:23 During - 6:19, 6:21, 14:24, 18:12, 19:13, 21:25, 22:16, 23:18, 24:3, 70:4 Duties - 13:19 Duty - 8:15, 9:3, 108:2 E Each - 29:24, 29:25, 32:2, 37:15, 100:10 Early - 103:2 Education - 7:18 Eh - 20:2, 75:7, 77:21 Eight - 38:6 Either - 26:21, 126:24 Electrical - 8:7 Electronic - 12:13 Electronics - 4:8, 9:17, 9:23, 10:4, 10:18, 11:5, 11:14, 11:16, 12:12, 13:11 Elevator - 15:10, 85:19, 85:20, 86:16, 87:20, 89:12 Elevators - 35:23 Else - 13:1, 30:16, 54:9, 65:13, 76:15, 84:9, 89:14, 91:6, 96:13, 100:7, 100:8, 101:5, 102:19, 115:8, 125:2, 128:17, 132:1 Email - 82:3 Emailed - 82:5 Emergency - 43:13 Employee - 4:24, 6:1 Encoder - 16:16 End - 21:7, 24:1, 24:2, 29:19, 29:23, 32:1, 42:17, 42:24, 84:14 Ending - 132:4 Ends - 79:23 Engineer - 8:7 Engineering - 21:2, 26:5, 26:6 Enhanced - 120:18 Enough - 77:22, 77:23, 106:4 Entail - 13:19 Entailed - 21:12 Enter - 9:3 Entire - 83:5, 111:23 Entrance - 35:20, 35:23 Entry - 66:13 Epstein - 4:16, 7:3, 15:1, 58:16, 79:8, 90:5, 96:18, 99:10, 103:11, 110:15, 110:18, 116:9, 116:15, 118:18 Epstein's - 20:21, 20:22, 21:11, 25:16, 25:19, 25:20, 99:11, 110:22 Equipment - 17:9, 19:1, 131:6 Error - 23:3 Ese - 13:25 Especially - 36:12 Ever - 54:13, 54:16, 56:7, 68:16, 81:9, 108:8, 115:8, 120:18, 126:23, 126:24, 127:13, 127:14 Every - 80:5, 122:18 Everybody - 87:19, 89:17, 117:8, 127:10 Everybody's - 18:1 8, 90:7 Everyone - 3:21 Everything's - 12:9 Everywhere - 130:2 , 130:11, 130:13 Evidence - 5:17, 76:24, 102:20 Exact - 123:10, 123:12 Exactly - 21:12, 28:13, 43:4, 43:6, 48:14, 49:6, 52:24, 90:16, 105:19, 124:4 Ex'd - 73:1 Executive - 3:17 Expecting - 130:12 Experience - 12:8 Expert - 120:3 Explain - 22:22, 55:16 EFTA00112355 F Facilities - 19:5, 25:25, 83:24, 122:5, 125:6, 125:19, 125:23, 130:25, 131:1 Facility - 18:9, 19:9, 19:10, 19:16, 25:13, 26:3, 26:6, 80:6, 122:3, 122:7, 125:12 Facing - 108:25 Fact - 26:11, 33:25, 54:12, 58:15, 123:8, 127:7 Fail - 51:14 Failed - 23:2 Failing - 121:9 Fails - 68:12, 124:7 Failure - 5:7, 5:10 Familiar - 24:11 Fast - 109:20 Fathered - 90:8 Favor - 82:7 FBI - 54:25, 55:9, 55:16, 69:10, 70:15, 70:25, 119:24 Fear - 18:18 Fed - 65:20 Federal - 3:7, 8:21, 9:20 Feed - 37:1, 37:4, 39:16, 52:21, 53:13, 65:17, 100:2, 100:14, 113:3, 116:3, 117:3 Feeding - 94:24, 99:25, 100:4, 100:11, 100:12, 100:16, 100:23, 100:25, 101:6, 116:13, 116:14, 117:4 Fence - 46:24, 46:25 Few - 25:19, 43:14, 68:19, 74:2, 81:20, 89:11, 121:7 Field - 3:6, 11:19, 55:21 Fifty - 27:9 Figure - 56:21, 125:9, 131:15 Figured - 69:15 File - 72:4, 99:10, 99:11, 99:13, 99:15, 99:18, 99:22 Files - 72:22, 72:23, 73:3, 73:7, 73:10, 113:25, 118:8, 119:11, 119:13 Finally - 71:22 Find - 50:6, 54:13, 69:8, 73:10, 78:24, 79:3, 79:6, 120:4, 120:5 Fine - 28:24, 129:21 Fire - 12:20 Five - 10:7, 17:14 Fix - 47:1, 47:7, 47:12, 48:4, 48:5, 48:7, 57:6, 57:15, 57:21, 58:1, 60:3, 72:17, 121:21, 122:13, 128:12 Floor - 23:6, 66:7, 86:10, 88:8, 88:10, 92:10, 93:2 Fly - 24:20, 57:14 Focus -40:22 Folder - 25:25 Follow - 66:15, 92:24, 97:13, 108:11 Following - 9:9, 55:18 Food - 85:21, 95:10, 95:13 Forbid - 130:18 Foreman - 25:13, 125:25, 126:4, 126:5, 126:14, 126:18, 126:20 Forgot - 20:6 Form -4:21, 4:22, 5:25, 6:3, 6:5, 6:7, 35:9 Forth - 36:2, 51:8, 96:8 Found - 69:20, 72:3, 79:11, 116:15, 118:18, 120:7, 120:11 Four - 8:14, 10:7 Free - 109:12 Fresh - 43:19 Friday - 13:6, 13:7 Front - 28:16, 30:1, 35:23, 52:8, 76:18, 85:2, 109:25 Fuck - 96:1 Function - 52:24 Funded - 21:9 Furnish - 5:17 Future - 5:17, 124:2 G Garbage - 71:16, 72:9, 72:16 Gates - 88:15 Gave - 79:10, 81:10, 81:12, 81:15, 81:24, 81:25, 82:2, 93:5 General - 3:6, 3:12, 4:23, 5:3, 5:5, 6:9, 12:3, 25:13, 66:8, 66:24, 125:25, 126:3, 126:4, 126:5, 126:14, 126:18, 126:20, 131:2 Gets - 101:15, 116:6 Getting - 51:11, 65:20, 78:24, 131:6 Give - 28:23, 63:6, 73:21, 79:25, 80:14, 93:9 Gives - 11:12 Giving - 25:5, 95:10 God - 130:17 Goes - 15:16, 23:11, 23:12, 24:13, 27:7, 27:13, 27:15, 37:4, 62:24, 65:18, 66:23, 76:18 Gone - 67:9, 67:19, 98:24, 122:9 Good - 16:7, 49:4, 53:15, 72:10, 72:13, 72:15, 77:19, 109:19, 110:1, 129:3, 130:21, 130:22 Gotcha - 128:11 Gotten - 62:19 Government - 11:1 5 Grab - 114:3 Graduate - 9:6 Grainy - 40:23, 77:19, 77:23 Great - 59:9 Green - 43:12 Grill - 30:2, 100:18, 100:20 Grille - 97:10 Ground - 109:11, 109:14, 109:16 Guardia - 7:25 Guess - 61:21, 61:23, 79:9, 85:9, 110:14 Gut - 91:9 Guy - 51:9, 93:8, 131:15 Guys - 21:13, 33:7, 95:25, 96:1, 96:25, 97:10, 127:5, 130:16 H Half - 9:24, 45:11, 57:1 Hallway - 36:1, 37:10, 86:4 Hand - 6:18, 12:6 Handed - 95:13 Hanging - 105:1, 105:3, 105:9, 106:1 Happen - 63:14, 64:1, 94:3, 102:1, 109:24, 121:2, 123:2, 124:1 Happening - 88:23, 122:25 Happens - 23:16, 128:20 Hard - 16:20, 16:21, 43:18, 43:19, 43:20, 51:10, 70:9, 71:6, 71:7, 123:5 Hardware - 24:14 Has - 5:24, 25:12, 36:13, 36:20, 61:6, 63:8, 66:16, 80:12, 122:9 Hasn't - 14:15 Haute - 9:16, 9:19 Having - 14:2, 17:6, 24:16, 64:8, 119:8, 122:21, 123:5 Head - 88:21, 91:20, 108:24, 108:25 Headphones - 91:2 0 Heard - 85:2, 95:18 Hell - 114:23, 115:2 Help - 24:20, 27:16, 113:3 Helping - 87:25 Her - 94:16, 94:20, 94:23, 95:16, 113:18, 118:7 He's - 20:1, 77:13, 105:1 Hesitate - 109:22 Hesitation - 109:23 Hey - 21:6, 23:5, 36:19, 46:4, 46:19, 49:13, 57:1, 63:2, 64:24, 118:22, 127:14, 128:10, 130:16, 131:10 High - 130:9 Highest - 7:17 Hip - 36:14 His - 20:5, 52:20, 52:24, 77:9, 90:25, 91:11, 91:17, 91:20, 92:19, 93:3, 103:21, 103:22, 108:17, 108:24, 108:25, 110:16, 110:19, 116:9, 116:21 Hit - 39:12, 85:7 Hm - 13:2, 33:25 Hmm - 16:10, 45:16, 50:18, 58:17, 108:19 Hmph - 3:9 HOFFMAN - 11:7, 41:19, 116:5, 126:5 Hold - 82:1, 106:1 Holding - 105:15, 105:20, 105:21, 109:2, 109:4 Home - 7:5, 47:5, 47:7, 47:12, 57:5 Honest - 115:1 Honestly - 103:2, 103:14 Honing - 118:1 Honorable - 8:17 Hope - 128:20 Hospital - 93:15 Hour - 17:25, 84:15, 93:22, 111:24 Hours - 17:16 House - 74:23, 121:23, 121:25 Housing - 29:6, 93:21, 130:6 Hughwon - 4:6 Huh - 41:5 Hung - 80:25 I Id - 44:20, 125:18 I'd - 128:10 Idea - 22:14, 53:17, 110:2, 120:20 Identify - 3:21 I'll - 6:23, 6:24, 28:23, 35:7, 35:10, 45:12, 49:18, 49:19, 63:1, 88:11, 100:2, 128:13 --85:23 Improvements - 12 9:8 Incident - 67:4, 77:2, 78:18 Indiana - 9:19, 130:8 Indiscernible - 15:1 7, 26:16, 26:23, 28:19, 32:7, 32:8, 32:10, 35:10, 52:1, 72:11, 74:5, 78:2, 85:25, 92:3, 106:15, 125:14 Individual - 100:10 Information - 4:25, 5:1, 70:24, 80:1, EFTA00112356 97:19, 126:25 Initial - 118:12 Initially - 95:3, 46:4, 68:1 Issue - 68:17 Issues - 67:23, Light - 131:14 Line - 6:8, 78:1, 82:23, 83:25 L M La - 7:25 Machine - 14:4, 107:3, 113:6, 116:23 Inmate - 4:15, 7:2, 68:20, 123:5, 130:22 Its - 43:22 Labeled - 37:11 Lance -49:6 Lines - 57:9 List - 18:24, 22:15, 86:4, 93:9, 93:11, 109:12 58:18, 80:7, 80:12, Itself • 21:20, 21:21 - 95:10, 96:3, 71:3 Mad - 120:10, 82:25, 94:1, 105:25, I've - 10:14, 46:4, 99:20, 99:24, 100:5, Listen - 15:14, 130:23 109:19 46:19, 47:4, 77:25, 100:24, 111:24, 76:25 Made - 5:23, 48:10, Inmates - 35:20, 108:11, 122:24, 112:7, 112:13, Little - 15:20, 52:23, 48:15, 48:17, 48:20, 83:19, 95:16, 95:18, 128:15, 129:14, 113:1, 118:2 55:23, 67:24, 81:5, 54:8, 57:23, 59:7, 95:21, 96:6, 101:3, 129:21 LARGENT - 15:4 83:21, 86:6, 86:13, 70:5, 79:13, 95:4, 109:18, 109:25, Last - 3:22, 4:4, 4:7, 91:17, 94:2, 94:15, 96:10, 126:9 110:1, 110:21, 17:17, 20:5 101:11 Mail • 14:3 J 113:22 Inner - 36:14, 36:21, 88:18 Inside - 27:18, 36:14, 36:22, 89:1, 89:3, 117:8 Inspector - 3:5, 3:12, 4:23, 5:3, 5:5, 6:9 Install - 18:25 Installed -19:2, 124:14, 124:15, 124:22, 124:23, 124:24, 125:1 Instance - 130:5 Institution - 17:11, 25:4, 57:13, 74:16, 83:5, 83:8, 128:22, Later - 17:4, 69:13, 84:15 Laying - 91:24, 106:15, 106:17, 106:19, 106:24, 107:5 Layman • 40:3 Layman's - 56:5, 71:14 Lead - 131:22 Learn • 126:23 Learned -131:8 Least - 124:2 Leave -42:14, 46:23, 111:21, 127:23, 128:1 Leaves - 76:20 Leaving • 60:9 Live - 36:25, 37:1, 37:4, 38:20, 38:23, 52:21, 53:13, 65:17, 65:18, 65:20, 73:3, 74:4, 116:3 Located - 3:16 Lock - 51:25, 117:3 Locked • 67:16, 117:4, 117:24 Log - 75:2, 79:21, 80:22 Logged - 74:8, 82:12 Logs - 81:1, 81:9, 81:12, 81:15, 81:16, 82:17 Long - 8:20, 67:3, 79:22, 80:3, 80:23, Main - 21:17, 24:25, 61:6 Mainly - 73:19 Maintain - 78:13, 78:16, 81:23 Maintained - 25:22, 26:8, 81:1, 121:23, 121:25 Maintenance - 63:1, 67:14, 129:1 Major - 8:6 Majority - 21:24, 22:4 Making - 55:17, 56:24, 78:23, 93:3, 95:23, 95:24, 113:21 Malaise - 87:20 Management -18:1 Jail - 46:24, 47:10, 67:16, 128:1, 130:12 January - 7:10 - 86:22, 87:13, 89:15, 95:5 Jeffrey - 4:15, 7:3 Job - 5:6, 5:10, 12:8, 12:10, 12:17, 12:24, 14:8, 19:19, 46:21, 46:22, 49:14, 52:20, 78:11, 93:19, 95:25, 111:8, 111:10 July - 3:2, 3:13, 6:13, 78:4, 78:5, 118:16, 132:3 Justice - 3:5, 3:12, 4:23 129:20, 130:5 Institutions - 18:16, Left • 58:3, 75:9, 75:22, 76:7, 77:6, 81:3, 116:18, 116:25, 122:12 0, 19:21, 19:23 Manager - 18:9, K K2.34:14 129:15, 129:19 84:13, 102:24, Longer - 20:1, 19:5, 19:9, 19:16, Int - 113:18 • 85:21, 85:22, 113:12, 116:22, 27:16 25:13, 26:3, 26:7, Intentionally - 67:1 86:8, 86:17, 86:18 116:24, 117:17 Look -14:5, 14:14, 122:3, 122:7, 125:6, 7 Keep - 39:21, 93:5, Legal - 79:24, 80:1, 16:3, 16:5, 20:25, 125:12, 125:20, Interaction - 95:16 119:13, 129:18 80:6 22:15, 40:6, 52:21, 125:23, 126:3 Interesting - 68:22 Keeping - 32:10 - 85:22, 52:22, 53:7, 53:23, Managers - 19:10 Interview - 3:7, Kept - 26:7, 92:7, 86:17, 86:18 69:14, 72:21, 73:20, Manipulate - 74:8 3:14, 3:19, 4:19, 130:16 Legs - 108:25 77:21, 78:22, 90:4 Manipulated - 62:4, 5:13, 6:16, 6:19, -93:1 Let - 6:23, 30:19, Looked - 77:5, 77:6, 113:25 6:21, 7:2, 132:4 Key - 36:13, 36:21, 34:16, 36:19, 58:5, 94:14 Manipulating -118: Interviewed - 119:2 39:8, 39:10, 51:25, 94:23, 100:1, 128:5 Looking - 29:11, 8 4, 119:25 52:1, 60:10, 61:24, Let's - 25:6, 27:8, 30:1, 30:20, 30:22, Manually - 74:11 Into - 4:15, 22:9, 66:13, 89:10 28:22, 28:25, 34:9, 32:16, 32:21, 34:15, Many - 29:7, 40:4, 23:13, 23:14, 56:5, Keypad • 39:1 76:5, 80:11, 85:16, 37:11, 52:12, 53:9, 45:9, 92:9 59:18, 62:19, 63:4, Keys - 63:6 88:14 69:6, 72:14, 72:15, Map - 28:12 63:7, 76:15, 88:14, Kill - 59:18, 97:9 Letters • 31:12 74:4, 131:13 March - 8:22, 8:24, 99:11, 110:22 Killed - 95:22, Level - 7:17, 12:5 Looks - 37:12, 9:4, 9:10, 11:7 Invest - 131:2 95:23, 95:24, 96:16, Levels - 29:8 53:15, 69:24, 109:19 Marine - 8:15, Investigation - 3:13 96:18, 96:24, 96:25, Lieutenant • 85:23, Lost - 131:19 12:10, 12:14 4:15, 5:2, 5:4, 5:6, 97:10, 97:20, 111:6, 86:22, 87:13, 89:15, Low - 130:10 Mark • 28:18, 31:10, , 5:11, 128:19 111:16, 111:18 94:7, 94:9, 95:5, Lower - 29:12, 31:14, 31:17, 35:13 Involve - 11:9 Knowledge - 54:3 112:2, 112:16 32:18 Marshals - 83:12 Involved - 97:17 Known - 52:18, Lieutenants -49:19 Lowering -105:6 Match - 31:11, 68:9 Involving - 5:11 53:10, 58:7, 128:8 , 73:25 Lucky - 124:15 Matrix - 15:19, IP • 21:15, 67:23, Knows - 27:8, Lieutenant's - 39:4 Lyeson - 3:2, 3:3, 15:20, 15:21, 38:20, 67:24, 68:11, 130:1 43:20, 51:9, 72:17, Life - 21:7, 110:16, 3:20, 3:23, 132:2 38:21, 38:24 Isn't - 14:4, 23:10, 74:14, 117:8 110:19, 116:9 Matter • 120:3 Lifesaving - 101:17 Matthew - 21:2 EFTA00112357 Mattresses - 92:10 May - 5:17, 105:8 MCC - 6:14, 9:12, 10:2, 10:3, 10:6, 10:13, 40:5, 130:20 MCC's - 129:24 Mean - 5:9, 11:24, 12:2, 37:3, 40:19, 46:3, 61:3, 67:12, 71:14, 71:18, 83:10, 85:4, 85:6, 98:15, 101:23, 105:20, 117:20, 128:21 Meaning - 13:14 Means - 5:10, 43:17, 50:19, 72:3, 72:6 Meant - 49:7, 71:2, 111:6, 129:24 Measures - 101:17 Medical - 86:7, 92:7, 92:24, 93:3, 93:7, 93:8, 93:14, 111:21, 117:20 Medium - 130:9 Member - 83:1, 83:2 Members - 74:3 Mention - 19:24, 98:17 Mentioned - 14:7, 19:5, 19:20, 20:7, 92:17, 121:4, 121:5 Mess - 59:18, 62:12, 70:7, 95:7 Messed - 62:8 Messing - 64:21 Metropolitan - 3:15 Michael - 87:6, 87:8, 95:3 Middle - 44:15 Might - 58:4, 70:20, 82:5, 87:15, 112:1 Military - 8:13, 11:14 Mind - 33:1 Minutes - 18:1, 110:10 Mistaken - 121:5 Mix - 68:9 Mixture - 15:22 Mm - 13:2, 16:10, 45:16, 50:18, 58:17, 67:10, 92:15, 108:14, 108:19, 127:1 Modem - 17:12 Money - 20:15, 21:9, 121:15, 121:20, 130:14, 130:15, 131:3 Monitor - 53:10, 61:17 Monitored - 83:22 Monitors - 53:8 Month - 81:5, 122:19 Months - 24:24, 121:12 More - 14:18, 17:12, 20:14, 51:9, 68:10, 78:1, 97:24, 120:19, 122:21, 128:25, 129:2, 130:3, 130:19, 131:2 Morning - 13:15, 15:9, 47:25, 48:1, 69:22, 69:23, 84:21, 94:25 Most - 58:16, 68:13, 73:24, 77:22 Mother - 24:25, 96:2 Motherboard - 123: 17 Move - 70:5, 84:10, 90:8, 91:10, 104:21, 107:15, 109:5, 110:2, 114:4 Moved - 9:25, 35:20, 106:23, 107:3, 107:9, 110:5 Moves - 109:21 Moving - 36:2, 64:23, 64:25, 90:6, 92:1, 105:5 Ms - 85:20, 86:2, 86:19, 86:20, 86:24 Multiple - 45:22 Myself - 60:25, 100:1 N Nah - 60:24, 75:4, 80:18, 82:4 Name - 3:3, 3:22, 3:25, 4:4, 4:6, 4:7, 6:2, 7:23, 20:6, 77:9, 87:2 Nature - 109:16 - 20:11, 20:12 - 79:1, 79:2 Near - 99:3, 114:18, 118:3 Necessarily - 72:8 Neck - 91:11, 91:17, 92:19 Need - 47:2, 102:1, 106:5 Needed - 51:17, 75:2, 86:3, 123:21 Needless - 24:19 Needs - 40:21, 129:12, 129:16 Network - 73:15, 73:18, 74:17, 74:21 - 125:16 Newer - 18:2, 24:12, 68:14, 68:21, 74:10 Nice - 73:20 Night - 58:19, 69:13, 73:11, 78:24, 98:3, 111:4 Nine - 38:12 Nobody - 19:14, 44:14, 55:6, 93:19, 114:1 Nobody's - 47:7 NOEL - 86:2, 86:24, 86:25, 87:3, 87:4, 89:7, 94:10, 95:4, 96:22, 98:21, 100:15, 118:2, 118:3 None - 80:11, 109:18 Nope - 78:2 Normal - 10:23, 10:24 Normally - 10:22 Notice - 101:5, 113:25 Notification - 44:7, 47:3, 47:19, 48:11, 48:12, 48:15, 48:20, 54:8, 56:25, 57:23 Notifications - 93:4, 126:10 Notified - 49:23, 50:20, 50:24, 125:23 Notify -46:19, 49:12, 49:15, 49:16, 49:17, 49:22, 50:12, 64:24, 67:14, 126:2, 126:6 Notorious - 58:16 Number - 7:12, 7:15, 34:9, 34:10, 34:11, 34:15, 75:10 Numbers - 31:11 O Oath - 6:16 Obtain - 71:5 Obviously - 104:25 Off - 9:13, 28:18, 59:1, 64:22, 78:19, 85:16, 86:16, 91:10, 103:22, 103:23, 103:25, 104:3, 104:6, 104:8, 104:10, 132:5 Officer - 8:11, 9:14, 36:13, 37:5, 55:21, 85:10, 85:22, 86:1, 86:2, 89:9, 94:9, 99:3, 113:18 Officers - 86:1, 95:3, 96:17, 96:20, 96:21,113:2 Officers' - 34:18, 34:20, 34:24, 35:2, 118:3 Officer's - 31:7 Official - 3:11, 4:14 OIC - 99:18 OIG - 3:18, 4:14, 4:21 Older - 68:15, 68:21 Once - 17:1, 23:15, 98:4, 98:6, 98:13, 122:22 Ones - 27:23, 41:13, 43:6, 45:6, 45:7, 68:21, 115:9 Online - 124:14 Open - 72:4, 73:7, 88:15, 88:17, 88:18, 88:19, 97:9, 116:22, 116:24 Opening - 100:18, 100:19, 101:1, 101:2 Opposed - 82:3 Orange - 90:25, 91:1, 91:3, 91:4 Order - 25:8, 25:11, 26:9, 26:10, 96:15, 118:13, 118:21, 121:5, 121:17, 121:19, 124:17 Ordered - 18:24, 63:19, 124:13 Orders - 25:19, 25:21, 25:22, 121:8, 121:24 Organized - 63:23 OS - 34:24 Other - 18:16, 27:16, 27:20, 38:4, 46:10, 49:19, 62:18, 67:7, 80:6, 87:18, 97:19, 115:9, 125:3, 129:15, 129:19, 130:24, 131:1 Otherwise - 55:2 Our - 4:18, 24:17, 39:6, 66:22, 112:4, 118:12 Outbox - 82:8 Outer - 36:16 Outside - 32:20, 32:23, 33:2, 69:3, 74:15, 89:2, 89:5, 89:7, 89:9, 100:20 Overall - 11:21, 130:3 Overboard - 55:23 Overload - 67:25 Oversee - 31:2 Overtime - 18:15, 47:22, 48:2, 51:1, 51:5, 129:21 Own - 100:10, 110:16, 110:19, 112:8, 112:10, 116:9, 119:12 P PA - 86:7, 108:2 Papers - 114:7 Paperwork - 21:5, 118:9, 118:25, 119:2 Park - 3:16 Part - 3:11, 5:2, 47:2, 51:12, 60:8, 63:25, 68:13, 78:10, 78:17, 93:16, 102:2, 126:23 Partner - 40:9 Parts - 25:3, 51:11 Passed - 126:24 Password - 73:20 Passwords - 73:21 Past - 46:1, 64:19, 74:25 PBX - 78:16 People - 18:15, 39:1, 51:20, 54:3, 65:14, 77:22, 87:10, 87:25, 89:11, 100:14, 115:14, 126:24 Per - 30:11, 68:5 Perfect - 35:12 Performance - 5:6, 5:10 Performing - 90:11 Person - 47:8, 50:11, 59:20, 77:3 Pertains - 5:6 Phones - 13:23, 15:11, 78:8, 78:14, 80:7 Phonetic - 19:8, 20:5, 20:12, 21:3, 24:7, 29:19, 33:8, 125:16 Photo - 52:1 Physical - 131:10 Physically - 23:4, 82:2, 109:4 EFTA00112358 Picked - 80:24 Picking - 87:24 Pieces - 70:19 Place - 6:16, 47:3, 101:6, 130:8 Planning - 48:4 Please - 3:21, 4:21, 5:24, 6:1, 6:17, 6:23 Plus - 63:21 Point - 20:10, 23:23, 23:25, 24:8, 26:19, 28:25, 29:15, 31:18, 36:24, 64:6, 73:22, 120:13, 123:22 Pointed - 35:1, 37:14 Pointing - 30:23, 32:5, 32:11 Pop - 37:6 Popping - 65:19 Pops - 36:10 Population - 94:1 Port - 88:18 Portion - 115:10 Position - 10:17, 13:9, 13:19, 105:6, 105:7, 106:12, 107:13, 107:14, 107:16, 125:18 Positive - 48:16, 49:22, 126:9 Possibly - 25:8, 25:9, 41:19, 55:25, 78:23, 87:12 Potentially - 56:15 Power - 59:1, 59:15, 59:18 Practice - 47:9, 57:8 Present - 3:17, 8:23, 55:3 Preservation - 78:1 9 Preserving - 102:20 Pressure - 5:23 Previously - 24:24 Print - 6:2 Prior - 8:9, 23:19, 102:10, 108:6, 121:6, 124:10, 124:11 Priority - 19:1 Prison - 9:22 Prisons - 3:8, 8:21 Private - 11:15 Proactive - 128:25, 130:4 Proactivity - 130:19 Probable - 66:16 Problem - 14:2, 18:20, 22:5, 23:12, 24:9, 24:16, 27:4, 41:12, 41:15, 46:3, 53:18, 53:25, 60:8, 64:9, 121:16, 121:18, 124:13, 128:9, 130:17 Problems - 21:4, 23:13, 23:14, 64:8, 68:2, 68:14, 119:9, 121:9, 122:21 Proceedings - 5:18, 5:19 Process - 17:7, 24:21, 110:8 Project - 18:14, 18:17, 20:20, 21:10, 21:12, 44:15, 51:7, 63:22 Promises - 5:22 Property - 49:12, 60:14 Protected - 79:25 Provide - 4:17, 4:25, 5:1, 12:15, 79:14, 97:18 Provided - 82:15 Providing - 96:10 Pull - 43:18, 44:4 Pulling - 44:3 Pulse - 108:1, 108:4 Pumping - 93:12 Purchased - 23:19 Pursuant - 5:4 Putting - 43:19, 67:23 Q Question -49:6, 74:7, 88:13, 108:12, 116:13, 123:1 Questioned - 54:16, 54:19 Questions - 4:18, 5:14, 5:16, 5:22, 6:22, 56:2, 66:15, 97:13 Quick - 121:21 Quite - 102:16 R R&D - 80:21, 83:11 Radio - 15:9, 15:14, 48:24 Radios - 13:23, 13:24, 15:15 Raise - 6:17 Ran - 85:3 Random - 123:20 React - 94:19 Readily - 122:22 Real - 33:20, 71:24, 120:8 Reason - 62:3, 68:7, 69:5, 76:21, 80:17, 82:1, 110:15, 117:7 Reasonably - 58:20 Reasons - 52:3 Rebuild - 46:3, 46:4 Rebuilding - 43:17, 58:5 Receive - 11:19 Received - 70:23, 118:4 Receiving - 107:21 Recoding 22:20, 71:9 Recognize - 29:3 Recollection - 30:1 2 Record - 3:22, 4:5, 27:8, 27:14, 27:15, 49:3, 72:9 Recorder - 16:17, 17:22, 42:6, 43:5, 43:7, 59:19, 64:22, 68:4, 71:9, 75:16, 123:14, 123:15, 123:16, 123:19, 124:16, 132:4, 132:5 Recorder's - 21:7 Recordings - 61:19, 61:22, 67:12, 70:9, 70:10, 78:19 Records - 26:7, 72:18, 119:19 Recovered - 70:11, 70:25 Rectified - 66:16, 66:19, 129:12 Redo - 23:20 Redundancy - 26:2 1, 64:3 Redundant - 23:8, 27:6, 27:7, 68:4, 124:6 Referring - 96:20 Regard - 54:17, 55:9, 97:13, 97:19 Regarding - 7:2 Regards - 99:9 Region - 75:7 Regional - 21:6, 24:18, 121:17 Regular - 8:16, 55:21 Relation - 33:21 Relieve - 103:4, 103:5 Remember - 17:2, 38:5, 47:15, 48:9, 51:12, 54:14, 54:23, 85:25, 86:3, 88:17, 103:15, 103:16, 103:20, 104:2, 104:7, 106:23 Remotely - 75:3 Repairman - 8:16 Repeat - 6:24 Rephrase - 6:24 Replace - 25:2 Replaced - 123:18, 123:21 Replacing - 58:4 Request - 57:20 Requested - 4:24 Required - 75:1 Responded - 102:6 Responding - 113:2 Responsible - 50:1 1 Retired - 77:13 Retrieve - 71:23, 72:3 Retrieved - 71:13 Returned - 20:1, 76:1 Reverse - 96:15 Review - 4:21, 5:25 Round - 25:3, 99:6 Rounds - 30:9, 63:17, 95:24, 95:25, 97:22, 97:24, 97:25, 98:2, 98:8, 98:18, 111:2, 111:3, 111:12, 113:21 Row - 3:16, 130:10 Rowdy - 94:2 Run - 23:13, 47:3 Running - 30:13, 39:9, 39:16 Runs - 23:14 S Sally - 37:11, 37:12, 38:7, 66:7, 88:17, 115:10, 115:16, 115:24 Same - 24:12, 31:12, 46:2, 75:12, 75:14, 75:15, 77:7, 88:13, 95:12, 100:5, 123:9, 123:10, 123:12, 123:16, 131:15 Saturday - 13:6, 69:24, 70:1 Savvy - 131:19 Saw - 17:8, 43:10, 43:14, 75:7, 85:13, 87:24, 92:17, 103:11, 106:13, 122:8, 122:17 Says - 6:1 Scan - 82:4 Scene - 87:10, 117:9, 117:13 Schedule - 13:12 School - 12:20 Screen - 39:17 Scrolling - 39:21 Scrounge - 23:17, 25:3 Se - 68:5 Seasons - 17:20 Seated - 107:12 Second - 23:12, 23:14, 27:14, 32:8, 34:11, 86:10, 93:2, 109:16 Secondary - 52:8 Seconds - 110:11 Sector - 11:16 Secure - 117:19 Secured - 61:11, 61:14, 61:16, 61:17, 116:22, 117:12, 117:16, 117:22, 117:23 Security - 5:7, 7:11, 8:11 Seeing - 17:3, 38:5, 41:15, 109:18 Seem - 110:10 Seemed - 110:10 Seen - 53:1 Sees - 37:5 Send - 47:2, 55:22 Senior - 3:18, 3:25, 6:10 Sense - 55:17, 57:25 Sent - 55:21, 70:10 Served - 8:20 Server - 16:22, 16:24 Service - 8:13, 51:9, 85:21 Services - 73:21, 74:2 Set - 14:12, 14:17 Settle - 95:1, 113:22 Settled - 94:1 Seven - 37:23 Shame - 84:6 She'll - 26:4 She's - 112:16 EFTA00112359 Shift - 10:19, 14:24, 84:15, 84:20 121:12 Slight - 66:21 127:3 Staff - 74:3, 82:25, 75:22, 98:18 Stops - 68:3 Shipping - 124:19 Slips - 99:6 83:2, 101:20, 106:4, Stored - 61:22 Shirt - 91:1, 91:4, Slot - 45:16, 101:2 131:7 Street - 7:6 103:12, 103:14, Smart - 131:14 Staffed - 93:18 Stress - 122:16 103:22, 103:23, Social - 7:11 Stage - 44:3 Stressed - 94:16 104:5 Socks - 91:2 Stair - 33:14 Stretch - 93:13 Shock - 108:5 Software - 18:19, Stairs - 89:19 Stretcher - 86:4, Short - 93:18 23:3, 24:13, 53:22, Standard - 14:12, 86:6, 88:1, 88:5, Shot - 93:5 53:23, 68:1, 73:5, 14:17, 14:20, 17:25, 90:9, 90:10, 92:2, Should - 14:13, 121:1 57:7 104:19, 104:24, 14:18, 14:23, 17:25, Some - 7:19, 26:20, Standing - 88:24, 106:9, 107:24, 24:22, 25:24, 26:7, 27:1, 27:17, 27:20, 100:20 109:12, 109:17 30:5, 31:12, 38:13, 28:3, 28:6, 36:9, Started - 9:13, String - 28:5 50:23, 57:18, 40:2, 42:9, 45:4, 11:13, 18:13, 20:20, Subject - 120:2 112:16, 118:23, 64:22, 90:18 21:4, 58:3, 63:21, Submit - 24:18 128:17 Somebody's - 14:5 86:8, 90:9, 99:7, Submitted - 21:5 Shouldn't - 18:2 Someone - 36:3, 104:24, 108:16, Such - 50:12, Show - 23:2, 28:11, 47:11, 50:12, 66:7, 117:4 126:22, 126:23 30:8, 33:7, 63:1, 74:17, 75:1, 87:18, Starter - 12:6 Suicide - 94:17, 119:3, 124:17 103:3, 105:20 Starting - 6:15, 117:9 Shower - 79:9 Someone's - 114:18 62:14 Supervisor - 44:10, Showing - 115:13, Something's - 24:1 Starts -43:21, 44:12, 47:5, 48:13, 118:25 0, 43:13 43:22, 43:23, 79:23 48:14, 49:17, 49:22, Shown - 30:7 Sometime - 67:8 State - 4:4 50:6, 50:9, 50:21, Shut - 17:22 Sometimes - 68:1, Stated - 5:20, 18:20 50:22, 50:23, 54:5, Shutting - 17:18, 84:3, 122:14 Statement - 5:16, 54:6, 54:8, 56:25, 17:23 Somewhere - 25:25 5:21, 112:9, 112:11, 58:14, 79:19, 125:5 SIA - 39:5 , 50:8, 94:8 112:14, 112:17, Supervisors - 127:7 Side - 23:9, 23:10, Soon - 23:12, 112:20, 113:9, Supply - 59:15 23:21, 24:13, 27:5, 27:13, 27:14, 43:10, 130:24 Support - 24:16 27:7, 27:9, 27:10, 59:23, 85:1, 90:1, Statements - 95:4, Supposed - 27:5, 28:1, 28:4, 28:7, 107:23, 120:7 112:4, 112:7, 112:22 36:16, 46:18, 49:8 28:8, 34:13, 65:21, Sorry - 78:6, 88:11, States - 4:22, 5:19, Surround - 7:4 65:22, 92:21 116:8 8:15 Surrounding - 4:16, Sides - 92:20, 92:22 Sound - 15:19 Station - 31:8, 58:21 Sign - 6:1 Sp - 19:8, 20:5, 34:19, 34:20, 34:25, Suspicion - 58:21 Signal - 16:16, 20:12, 21:3, 24:7, 35:2, 99:3, 113:19, Swear - 6:18 16:17 29:19, 33:8, 125:16 118:3 Switch - 78:16 Signature -6:1, 6:8, Space - 105:23, Stay - 47:1, 57:16, Switched - 123:13 6:12 106:6 57:21, 57:25, 117:10 Sync - 43:21 - 24:7, Spaghetti - 62:12 Stayed - 9:24, Systems - 20:17 43:15, 118:13, Speaking - 83:12 57:18, 69:12, 121:23, 131:9 Special - 3:1, 3:4, 101:20, 102:13, T Signing - 6:7, 6:8, 6:11 Simple - 14:3, 17:18 Since - 8:22, 10:13, 10:14, 11:23, 14:7, 57:24, 67:9, 81:24, 93:18, 119:17, 122:21 Sit - 32:1, 56:20 Sits - 39:20 Sifting - 98:3, 105:10 Situation - 55:10, 123:10 Situations - 74:25 Six - 24:24, 37:16, 3:18, 3:20, 3:23, 3:25, 6:7, 6:9, 6:10, 29:5, 93:21, 132:2 Specialized - 11:10 Specific - 8:5, 96:20 Specifically - 7:2, 11:19, 11:25, 26:10, 44:23, 51:4, 97:3 Specified - 65:12 Speed - 129:24, 129:25 Spell - 3:22, 4:5, 77:12 Spend - 20:15 Spent - 121:15 Spoken - 55:8, 102:16 Staying - 108:5 Step - 25:6, 86:12 . mas - 21:8 - 20:1, 20:4, 21:22, 25:22, 28:13, 81:23, 86:9, 93:11, 93:12, 94:11, 100:25, 102:25, 113:13, 129:6, 129:7, 129:12 Stockpiled - 18:23 Stood - 92:13 Stop - 23:15, 64:1, 64:5, 74:9 Stopped - 27:24, Take - 14:4, 16:16, 23:16, 24:22, 27:11, 43:24, 44:4, 64:2, 72:21, 78:6, 100:7, 103:21, 103:22, 110:16, 114:7, 122:12, 123:6, 131:11 Taken - 5:15, 58:4, 62:4, 92:5, 123:25, 124:5 Takes - 15:23, 15:25, 17:22, 43:25 Taking - 79:8, 101:5, 104:2, 104:8, 131:21 Talk - 54:11, 54:21, 58:11, 70:15, 78:8, 94:20, 113:22 Talked - 18:10, 20:7, 41:22 Talking - 12:7, 31:24, 33:4, 41:8, 44:22, 56:1, 61:10, 80:20, 83:19, 114:14, 124:9, 130:24 Tamper - 51:24, 59:20 Tampered - 59:6, 59:25, 62:16, 77:5 Tampering - 51:20, 58:25 Tangible - 71:24, 90:6 16 77:10 - 20:12 - 77:9, 77:11 Taye - 52:15 TDY - 101:20 Tech - 21:2, 24:15, 26:5, 26:6, 52:15, 52:16, 76:16, 77:8 Technical - 55:22 Technically - 41:24 Technician - 4:9, 9:17, 9:23, 10:4, 10:18, 11:5, 13:11 Telephone - 12:19 Telephones - 13:23 Tell - 6:18, 40:10, 47:11, 49:19, 62:25, 65:12, 91:13, 109:3, 116:5, 121:17, 127:15 Telling - 45:9, 53:24, 55:19 Tells - 108:4 Ten - 17:14, 17:15, 18:1, 22:2, 22:13, 35:14, 40:16, 41:23, 41:24, 42:3 Terms - 56:5, 71:14 Terre - 9:16, 9:19 Than - 17:13, 49:19, 51:10, 62:19, 80:6, 87:18 Thank - 12:25, 131:20, 131:25 Their - 36:14, 39:17, 60:6, 60:13, 76:24, 83:19, 111:1, 111:7, 111:9, 111:12, 119:12 Themselves - 3:21, 60:2 EFTA00112360 These - 3:6, 4:2, 33:23, 35:11, 89:21, Unit - 29:6, 86:1, 65:1, 78:18, 94:3, W 25:21, 25:22, 31:10, 129:2 93:21, 111:21, 130:6 109:24, 111:14, 38:3, 56:1, 119:7, Topic - 84:10 United - 8:15 Waft - 17:21, 19:2, 118:22, 128:4, 121:22, 126:22 Total - 38:13 Unplug - 64:2 46:6, 109:21 128:10 They'll - 14:3 Totally - 41:11, Until - 19:2, 47:1, Waiver - 5:19 Whenever - 66:20, They've - 67:19, 105:24 72:17, 86:10, 93:2, Walk - 25:2, 77:1, 70:21 71:3 Touch - 64:14 102:14, 110:5 88:14, 88:20, 89:18, Whereas - 56:7 Things - 18:4, Tough - 90:23 Updated - 28:15, 105:18, 108:17, Where's - 38:9 63:23, 72:2, 95:18, Tova - 87:3, 87:4, 28:17 123:2, 126:6 Which - 22:12, 23:6, 112:1, 119:7, 122:20, 130:13 95:4 Toward - 31:18 Upgrade - 18:17, 21:8, 21:16, 64:1 Walkaround - 66:21 Walked - 90:12, 24:25, 27:23, 29:21, 43:6, 45:6, 48:14, Thinking - 46:12, 63:18 Towards - 23:25, 42:24, 65:24, 66:5 Upgraded - 18:6, 51:17, 66:22, 121:14 91:24, 92:13, 108:15 Want - 7:1, 49:1, 68:24, 89:21, 89:24, 108:24, 130:9 Third - 23:6, 66:7 Thirty - 18:1 Thomas - 86:2, Traffic - 15:14 Train - 131:7 Training - 9:7, Upgrades - 20:14 Upgrading - 21:13, 21:17 50:4, 70:14, 82:22, 109:18, 109:25, 120:4, 125:4 While - 81:5, 86:6, 102:16, 102:18 Whirlwind - 103:9 87:5, 87:7, 87:8, 87:24, 88:25, 89:1, 11:10, 11:18, 12:11, 12:15, 12:21, 131:5, Upper - 18:10, 19:21, 19:23, 29:9, Wanted - 20:13, 28:18, 63:19, 118:5, Whoever - 38:25, 50:9, 73:19, 125:23 95:4, 96:22, 98:24 131:10, 131:22 29:12, 29:13, 29:15, 120:8 Whoever's - 25:14, Though - 35:18, Transfer - 16:1 32:17, 32:19, 32:20, Warden - 20:1, 30:9, 82:16, 85:10 44:18, 64:20, 88:5, Transpired - 102:2, 32:21 20:4, 20:9, 49:9, Whole - 9:12, 17:6, 91:18, 108:8, 112:5 Upright - 106:12, 50:14, 54:21, 55:9, 17:21, 17:22, 18:12, 112:14, 113:1, Transportation - 8: 107:12 62:22, 73:25, 79:1, 23:20, 24:11, 24:21, 115:13 11 Upset - 97:5 79:19 28:4, 43:25, 56:12, Thought - 52:7, Tried - 72:25, 90:8, Upstairs - 23:5, Wardens - 20:8 70:12, 71:9, 72:15, 83:23, 100:3, 93:9, 120:6 60:18, 85:24, 86:7, Warehouse - 18:23 72:18, 75:8, 76:12, 126:21, 129:23 Troubleshoot - 12:4 86:23, 93:10, 117:23 Warned - 78:21 99:24, 123:17 Thoughts - 129:23 24:21 Us - 82:7, 86:3 Warning - 83:21 Who's - 66:9, 66:25 Threats - 5:22 , Troubleshooting - Use -12:6, 16:15, Warnings - 4:24, Why - 18:14, 21:9, Three - 98:22 118:20 31:9, 71:19, 73:5 5:20 51:4, 51:11, 56:4, Through - 24:21, Troubleshot - 46:1 Used - 5:17, 5:24, Watch - 11:2, 13:15, 58:13, 63:14, 64:23, 25:2, 25:12, 27:9, Truth - 6:18, 6:19 16:15, 52:14 13:17 65:13, 71:19, 72:12, 27:10, 39:19, 39:21, Try - 6:24, 56:21, Usually - 14:2, 15:8, Wearing - 90:21 109:13, 127:15, 40:7, 43:22, 105:18 59:19, 70:10, 73:7, 15:9, 24:9, 24:20, Week - 119:18, 128:5 Throughout - 83:4 73:10, 80:14, 94:25, 39:19, 43:11, 60:24, 122:19, 122:22 Will - 3:19, 4:18, Throw - 46:21, 97:9, 104:21, 106:1, 68:20, 73:20, 76:18, Well - 12:4, 13:20, 5:15, 6:12, 23:18, 64:22, 84:4 110:2, 113:21 89:8, 99:17, 106:1, 16:14, 16:15, 20:15, 34:9, 34:14, 34:21, Throwing - 65:16 Trying - 15:6, 21:14, 109:15, 109:16, 22:19, 26:5, 28:3, 37:6, 62:25 Thursday - 3:2, 21:15, 46:21, 56:4, 117:10, 126:1 36:12, 36:15, 40:8, Willing - 5:21 132:3 59:20, 63:22, 69:13 47:7, 55:9, 70:12, Wired - 28:9, 28:10 Tiers - 68:15 90:14, 91:9, 104:18, 76:7, 80:14, 114:13 Wise - 14:1 V Times - 17:20, 39:17, 45:22 Tide -4:8, 125:5 Today - 3:2, 3:13, 24:16 Told -44:9, 49:24, 74:19, 127:22 Tomorrow - 57:6, 128:13 Ton - 45:14 Took - 19:16, 19:19, 71:7, 71:8, 71:10, 86:5, 86:9, 92:8, 92:23, 93:12, 103:24, 110:10, 110:11, 110:19, 116:9,117:20 Tools - 12:6 Top - 31:15, 32:15, 105:17, 107:15, 109:5, 109:6, 114:3, 121:14, 121:15, 128:12 TSA - 8:10, 8:25 Turn - 15:14, 88:11 Turned - 58:25 Turning - 132:3, 132:5 TV - 61:16 Type - 107:12 We'll - 16:2, 96:14 We're - 31:24, 40:22, 47:2, 51:10, 67:23, 119:22, 129:25, 130:1, 130:21 Weren't' - 56:17 West - 7:6 We've - 67:21, 67:22, 68:2, 68:19, 125:4 Whatever - 30:10, 32:3, 58:23, 91:8, 104:20, 105:7, 107:14, 107:19, 119:20 What's - 7:8, 10:16, 10:22, 13:19, 14:14, 14:15, 21:8, 31:6, 41:6, 44:25, 56:21, Wish - 130:18, 131:2 Within - 61:4 Without -4:10, 4:12, 36:16, 121:1 Witness - 6:12 Woke - 70:14 Won't - 36:15, 73:4 Word - 71:19 Worked - 8:10, 24:12, 64:3, 93:21 Works - 70:14, 70:16, 89:8, 128:24 Worry - 47:6, 57:5 Wouldn't - 99:15, 113:8 Wrapped - 90:18, 91:9, 91:13 Write - 6:12, 34:4, Vendor - 55:15, 70:15 Verbally - 48:21 Very - 42:19, 51:18, 65:4, 87:10 Via - 82:3 Vide - 120:15 View - 77:20 Viewed - 77:19 Viewing - 31:21 Visa - 29:19 Vision - 73:20 Visiting - 19:18 Voice - 14:3 Voluntarily - 4:17 Voluntary - 4:19, 4:25, 5:12 U Unable - 71:13 Under - 6:8, 6:16, 46:21 Understand - 5:20, 5:25, 6:3, 6:4, 6:22, 40:3 EFTA00112361 35:7, 35:10, 99:7, 112:4, 112:7, 112:11, 112:14, 112:17, 112:20, 112:21 Writing - 5:7 Written - 14:23, 113:1, 113:9 Wrong - 43:13 Wrote - 33:11, 112:8, 112:10 Year - 7:22, 9:24, 10:5, 12:11, 12:14, 67:2, 67:6, 121:11 Years - 8:14, 10:8, 11:14, 11:16, 15:5, 17:14, 17:16, 17:17, 22:12, 126:19 Yep - 32:12 Yet - 106:18, 124:22, 125:18 York - 3:6, 6:14, 7:7, 9:25, 10:3, 130:12 You'd - 62:6 You'll - 62:16, 66:25, 73:3 Yourself - 14:17, 98:22, 100:24, 103:16 You've - 10:12, 14:21, 20:15, 57:2, 57:15, 63:2, 69:8, 94:4 Zero - 71:21 00:10:18 - 15:18 00:13:22 - 19:8 00:13:53 - 20:5 00:14:04 - 20:13 00:14:25 - 21:3 00:16:54 - 24:8 00:18:28 - 26:17 00:18:34 - 26:23 00:19:47 - 28:19 00:20:10 - 29:19 00:21:53 - 32:8 00:21:55 - 32:9, 32:11 00:22:49 - 33:9 00:25:09 - 35:10 00:35:34 - 52:1 00:48:51 - 72:11 00:50:08 - 74:5 00:52:52 - 78:3 00:57:54 - 85:25 01:02:10 - 92:3 01:12:00 - 106:16 01:24:08 - 125:14 01:24:09 - 125:16 - 7:13 1:00 - 46:13, 50:20 10,000 - 121:19 10:00 - 76:5 100 - 27:10 10032 - 7:7 10th - 7:3, 19:14, 24:6, 31:24, 35:6, 40:5, 47:24, 69:17, 69:19, 72:21, 75:12, 76:1, 76:6, 81:18, 84:22, 84:25, 119:25, 120:1, 124:25 11th - 124:25 12 -17:17 15 - 3:2, 3:13, 6:13, 11:13, 11:16, 132:3 150 - 3:16, 40:11, 40:14 166th - 7:6 1978 - 5:5 1982 - 7:10 2 2:00 - 10:25, 11:1, 13:13, 13:14, 13:16, 46:11, 50:20, 76:7, 84:15, 84:16, 84:17 2:15 - 3:3 2:16 - 3:14 2:19 - 6:13 200 - 40:10 2000 - 8:15 20014 - 8:15 2013 - 8:22, 8:24, 9:4, 9:14 2014 - 9:10 2015 - 9:15, 11:7, 11:8 2016 -10:8 2017 - 9:15, 10:8 2019 - 13:3 2020 - 67:9 2021 - 3:3, 3:13, 6:13, 132:3 23rd - 78:4, 78:5 24 - 8:22, 8:24, 9:4. 17:16, 23:20, 63:6 25 - 7:10 27 - 36:19, 36:20 2846 - 8:16 3 3:00 - 84:18 3:44 - 132:2 3-26226-2 -4:22 365 - 17:16 4 46 - 33:8, 35:8, 35:17, 69:1, 69:15 465 - 7:6 4A - 7:9 5 50 - 28:3, 28:4, 45:12, 56:15 51 - 27:9 6 6:00 - 10:24, 11:1, 13:13, 13:14, 13:16, 14:8, 48:1, 76:5, 84:21, 101:12 6:33 - 101:15 60 -45:12 - 7:16 7 7:00 - 102:8, 102:9, 102:10, 111:22 75 - 56:15 8 8:00 - 102:14 EFTA00112362