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Page El UNITED STMES DISTRICT COURT SOMMRN DISTRICT Or FLOOIDA CUE IM.08-CV-80119-GIV4PARA/J01135031 JAKE DOC NO. 2. plat $$$$$ I. JEFFREY EPSTEIN. Defendant. Related mew 08-80234 0840180, 98.80381, 0840994, 0840993, 08-8081I, 0840993, 0940469, 09-50591, 09-80446, 0940102, 0941092 VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION Or JUAN ALESSI MIME If Tuesday, September 8. 2009 10i12 a.n. - 3:45 p.n. 2139 Pals beech Letts Boulevard West Palm Mech. flor IN 33401 Reported ny: Sandra W. Townsend. flit Votary Public. state of Florida PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY Went Fels Mack Or flee 0608324500 PROSE COURT REPORTINGAGENCY. INC (5611832.7» aura. yaw laala Mee Iskaaarea ....oalnwasa ra i• r 1 APPEARANCES: 2 On behalf of the Tliantilfs: 3 RIONARD WILLITS. ESQUIRE 5 6 1 10 It 12 13 16 15 16 17 STUART MERNELIMIN, ZMUIRE mou•elelit 4 ennwsres • WILLIAM J. ROOM, ESQUIRE RORISTEIN RIMENFELDT ADM* YATNERIWZ EZELL, POI:WORST CREECH. P.A. le If ADM J. LAM010. ESQ000, LEOPOLD MNIN 20 21 22 23 26 25 9.1.• 82 0611 $12.7500 110.14 COURT attakTIMG MOM. MC. M1wiM:M:sN lal• Tama Maw._ ~ al" Waal ea. • ~ma«. a a_ tel•~ tun. %an. 40 ilk Ca «Vs. aniaan Minn CIS 1 2 3 5 6 e 10 11 12 13 14 15 14 IT 18 19 20 21 22 21 26 25 On behalf of the Defendant: ROBERT J. GRITION. ESQUIRE Wimp. rsirm: !Pain" 1561> 832- i7o.: PROM [Quirt REPOM:116 MICKY. D.C. 1561) 02-7506 mmenntemagme...—vmmanma Rua:~ MPONMIgerge reg• PROCEEDINGS 2 Dep0sitiOn taker: before Sandra M. TO.M5Oted. Court 4 Reporter end Notary Public. In and for the State et 5 FlOride at large, in the above Cause. 6 (Continued tron VOluse 1.1 VIDCOGRATIMIO we'te going beet On the record • at 12:52. 10 CRASS EXAMMTIO11 11 BY PR. MMINO: 12 O. Rolle. My maw le Mae Langan., and I 11 represent el 1.11 have fewer questions than the rot ll of everybody. since I's: going next in line. nut one of 15 the thing. 1 vented to tak you 16 lat. GRIMM: before you get .,tart ed. let m Just put on fry objection. Is 19 20 21 22 2) 24 25 Ma, your client le who allege. that she vas at Wr. Met•in's house raset W. 1 think.. On One occasion in the ban of '03. This Mtn's, Is neither relevant, nor material, nor Can It lead to the adnisalhil ay 0 any relevant infonutIM regardlng ny client. So I nn rh, ilt•nd *0 you certainly can notice Mu, Du: .•:. 7ove to •trike 4711 of the question and 1)61> toot COURT REPORTING. ACTICY. INC. 1561) 102-004 theaalhdleneflak. a...alas!~ 00a01. ~Deb .„„„,,,..~.~« Now 3504-022 Page I of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000026 15 EFTA00157568 Pau. 05 1 enviers in response to yobs question.. 2 le. lANGINO: Thank you. 3 BT MR. LANGIMO: 4 O. One thine I won't sure about was the dote Of 5 your enploynent. When did you start with Nr. Cpolein? 6 A. : as not sure. air. but I think I started lull 7 tine ea ay salary. I was on the roll In 1591. 1551. January 1, 1951. 0. In 1551. you started full time with 10 Nr. Epstein? 11 A. Yea, wafting for hin alone. 1 left all ny )2 Clients. I left -- dissolved ny ~Pan?. 1) 0. And in what year did you start past tine at 14 his house? IS A. 1590. '90. 16 Q. lea rentlored earlier that sole of the snap. 1? therapist. you pald with check.? 19 A. Yes. 19 0. And acne Of the aaaaa pa therapist. you paid 20 with cash? It A. Sorry. can you repeat the au/ration, 22 O. Sure. You wintiored earlier that you paid 2) .ore of the passel. therapist. with chock. and song with 21 cash? 2$ Wala 002.1550 naCer. Moat PRPOklqinn AGONY. PC. (5611 012-/$04 amewiressewi...•••••••••••ewesiew ....ackso••••• Pepe 46 1 Were there any general difference, between those message theraplet• that you pall with check. and 3 ' h. " that You paid with canal? R. Mo. ear. It seas ... when I vas then savoys 5 was a hundred dollar. an hour rat*. root was ler 6 everybody. O. Dad you ever hear Jeffrey Epstein talk about S hie lea...apes? 9 10 O. At one point you wild that you're not -- this 11 night be aunNarazing your terettoony -- that you way not 12 be the beat guesser or ages. Is that sornhInq that you 1) nay hove said earl er today? 14 AIR. CRITIC«, Fora. 15 INC INTIMSS: Yeah. Yeah. 1 think I -- you 14 can be thirtieth twentleS. I don't kn0w. It BY MR. ?AMINO: le it 20 SI 22 SI 24 25 (5611 1112-7500 WOO COWN RENDSTINU AGONY. :NC. 05611 M -75O6 rerweerwieeseensweasuesiorallee ses~erive.wwwstanninin g wasescraeleanneteme Pepe 91 2 7 S 10 11 12 I) 14 IS 14 17 14 19 20 21 22 23 24 0. you Penn:Intl a few tines today that you were 25 never told to chock the 1OantifiCatIOn of any of the '5611 912-'500 hedis Cook? klieariliC AGENCY. 14C. 6611 6)2-75O6 •••••••••••~••••••••••wwweas ...~~~~ ,9a=nkti trieesernacoesperer ine".. " ... OroxiKeuneaccens. Pau* Oa 1 message therapists that car r0 give Nisse0a.? 2 That's Correct. Rao Cabs you paid fault a couple of tines 4 today? 5 KR. CRITTOM: Fern. 6 TNN 11:TMESS: You caked se. They asked no. 2 • think 1 Just answer question... • by IS. IAMGINO: As you reflect back in your ties 'sorting for 10 Nr. Epstein. today de you believe you turned a bland eye ll to sona Of the apes Of the *Peen Or finales that worked 12 for Jeffrey Cpetelri with ma»&OOe1? I) M. CRITTCW: Porn. 14 TNN INTOOSS: Can you repeat the question? IS BY is. LANCING: 16 Q. Sure. A. you fat here today and reflect back On your time waking for Jeffrey Epstein. do you believe 19 You turned a bl lad ay* Or ignored. pryO'41Y Ignored the It epee Of the females that gave hin swages? 20 MR. CROFTON: 4Om. Si nirret5S: I don•t [new. I den •t -- I 22 cannot -- not a judo.. I don't know. I don't 21 knew. I don't think so. Sincerely. I don't think 24 25 BY MR. LANG1MO: 15411 TN WOO re:L.2 CCONT lisraNaT,MG AC[Mn. INC. (5615 ON /504 resterewenewie•ww•Nrunriena• .51.•••••••"~" . ". "~AniralltiNseseureitise••••••••P ww•wwwes wraceerteeovsamer 3504-022 Page 2 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000026 16 EFTA00157569 Page $9 when you were working for Mr. Epstein. did you 2 have any doubt that the girls who prOvlded bin masstwes 3 were not of the proper age or not older than 18 years 4 old? M. CRITTON: dorm. 6 TUE WOMESS: alb. in MR. IPAGINO: 8 O. Did you keep up with Mr. Epotein's -- keep 9 Informed of Mr. Eptiteln'S Criminal COS* while it we in 10 the paper? 11 A. Only whet was On Iv. What it was On tr. 12 that's how I found Out. 13 O. sow Os you feel about Mr. Epstein today? 14 A. : feel bed, sincerely 1 fool bed, because he 15 was -- with me, with my family, with my wife, he was • 16 waxy generous guy. extremely -- I don't Now whet the It used Is in Erml Leh -- but he would press for perfection. 28 I smart. and that was • very stmeesful job. but, 19 Other else, I have no emblem, with him at all. And 1 20 feel had about it. what'. haveened it, his life. 21 Q. nave you had any contact with Mr. Epetein 22 you ended working there? 23 A. After I work -- after I end working with tint 24 Y . I did. 25 when 'him can, when this criminal came '%i1 531-1140 engst COver IMPOIMIK AGENCY. INC. Reweesenewmerwoonwwwwwmenweime " IN CON law war antennas en • it4li 0170104 Page 90I 1 started. I got hone and I had • card, a business card • teen a collo& derider. I think it wepilli Iron n.e • Pain Beach Police Denartnent. 4 And -- and : got scared. And I was trying to • find Out what It's all about. Because It wee an oceanic., with Mr. Epstein that we had a disagmmonnt. 1 Ye settled that. Everything watt well and we went our 4 friendly ways and never heard iron his &gain. 9 And I received this free the police department 10 that we need to talk to you. And. 00. I got seared. Ii And .1 called the office In New York. 12 I says. I would like to speak to Mr. Epstein. II And he come on. end I said, I told him. I 14 say. . Jeffrey, what's going one What's happening? I 15 thought it was related to the problem that I had 16 petsonaily with him settled. 17 And I says -- no, he says. And he says to me. IS nO, John. It's nothing to do with that, has nothing 10 L9 do with it. I've been -- I don't know if he told me I 20 been sued or I been -- It's • ptoblen with ne. they're 21 Investigating sOmething and 1 cannot talk to you. That 22 wAs the *net And tbat'e it. 2) My Other COnvereatiOn, with Kr. Epstein -- 24 ne. 25 -- circa that conversation? (telt $21.1100 PROSE COOK REPORT:NC AGENCY, :NC. tt4ii 411.1104 teammonewnsestesereetwommien In."."......."1"...". 1===lroloowenewe ewe toonore'm'••••"•"'"'"• anuomounnocan nor Page 91 2 Q. At Bono points you were caught stealing fro. Mr. Epstein; is that true? A. We settled with him as • borrowing money trot him. Okay? M. PIKAORR: As whet? TtlE WITIiCT: Rolrowing. M. LANCING: Borrowing. by M. LANCING: 10 11 12 13 14 15 0. A. 0. money? When you took the money (too Mr. Epstein, -- Yes. sir. -- did he give yea petwiselon to take that At any point Old you take a firearm from 16 Kr. Epstein? 1? le O. At any point Old you enter Kr. Epstein', 19 property when you mere mot allowed to he thorn? 20 A. Yen. 21 O. And was that the Incident when you took •0/. 22 normy from him? 23 24 v. Can you explain to on how you and Mi. Epstein 2n agreement that the cops would not be called: wgYe Mein sergrise; NASKY, In:. 4141I 012-IW4 ••••••••••••••••“.,,.....m4104404,14N• 2 talk. Page 92 NO Called AO and he nay. John. we need to I Pays. Okay. Where? 4 And -- and we net At a luncheonette in Palm 5 POE% and we have • friendly conversation. Me soled 6 about my kids, about ny fealty. Then -- Is this related to Mr. Epstein', Gee? O. It Se. 9 A. Because I prefer to keep this -- this -- I was 10 not IncrieMnated. 1 watt not -- I went to the police 11 deportment. 1 mode ny statement and there was no 12 charges filed. 13 X don't think I would like to continue with 14 this. IS 16 1$ 19 20 21 22 21 24 IS. CRITTOW: Let no just put on the second as think ms conp lllll y irrelevant, immaterial, it's not calculated to lead to the -- THE 14111413$: And it less often -- MR. ER:210M: Let me just finish putting my Objection on. As I understand it. It occurred long before he ever got the Card Iron the polite. I think you're hereptlIng his. I think you're trying tO IntiRlditte his and 1 think it's inapptstos4t.. 111 wt. Lancing: 15611 tat -1100 i7" "OW? IKPO*Ynt4 Accnt. to.. it: n. ••• • , • 0.114•MOMM•AMICCCOlt• 3504-022 Page 3 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000026 17 EFTA00157570 Page 9) I How di0 you feel about Mr. Epstein being loyal 2 t0 you as en employe* (or his by net getting you into further trouble with the pollee? 4 IN. CRIMP: Pone. 5 1NE WITNESS: I feel that it was part of a 6 relationship over le veer. that I did a lot ol 1 extra work. And I was lore or less says. hey. 6 John. you did it for no, I do it for you. Md that see It. And w0 end an al ', lends. NO did not 10 break It apart. 11 BY XR. LANOINO: 12 Q. As you alt here today. do you have a sense of 13 personal loyalty to Mx. Epstein? 14 A. Mo. Natter of fact, that lot has .alt en IS a lot of se 1 avenological pro/game. 16 11 It IS 2C 21 nes rhea • • whet i onet you 444444 to end. 22 23 24 And I went to end it there. have .. not herd think ny stay thene. In r•flecting tho 'ob. I was not paid eoll onowah for 25 ght we did. And too late new. (eel: al2.4e00 PROSE COOS? ArPOrThin AGFA:T. 1NC. 0411 a)?-7104 '`"`•••••••••••••"•••"—PNICgeadesweenekneetwnsr""'" eusweonensehewne Page $4 The overall theme of ay question Is: The feet 2 that Hr. Epstein Cho,e not to get you In trouble with the pollee further, trouble with the p01100 -- 4 A. Uh-huh. 0. -- DO luny years age. has today that Caused 6 you or pressed upon you to snybe soften your testimony or Change your testlnony at ell? A. Absolutely net. 9 O. Neve you ever spoken with any independent 10 ..... tigators regarding the actions, the criminal 11 act lone that occurred at Jeffrey Epetein's home? 12 Yes. 13 than did that occur? 14 A. Right after I receive e card from the pollee 15 depertemot, when I call Jeffrey and : ask him, ehst's 16 going on? 17 No says. I cannot talk to you. Somebody we.: IS use en you, 19 And titer, I got a call frees this. guy that I 20 gannet recall his nee. new. talked to sae arg at set at II, Grabbed. And we talked -- what? -- about 15 minutes. 22 Md he asked ma (betetIOne gust Ilk& IOU guy* axe aerie, 21 ma and I says a: Melly the ears. answers. 24 And he sage. 'will. there's on investigation 25 against eel' l tag. You has nothirq to do with it. you (5611 $)2.1500 PAM= COURT RenhenliC AGENCY, g eginseeelimemenehriessamos ...." ....”IIMEISESErbnuseiwreeare,•seso„Joisegsgas agusessesteinmmosn (341i 032-itee Page 95 here nothing to do, nothing to worry about At• but if 2 you went to hire a govern to protect yoares II. And I finked -- r. thatIon to hits ••••, I don • t eh, to net ..... wing ad see,. ..neetning yen en. 5 sialsocdv trvino to inert...... se (or -- tor Sr lob. And he says, no, no. no. Out If you want to get a lawyer, that's fin*. And that'. where I got Mr. Myrna, and he..)at 9 cans to um. to akin thin. to -- that Wee the one nf 10 Q. Mho got Kr. Nuriell for you? 11 A. Win got it/ Mr. English.. )2 Q. Shen you not with this investigator at )3 Carabba•, -- IS A. Yee. IS Q. -- dld he record your convered.un -- 16 A. I? 0. -- In Any way? Is After %hie needing et Carabbas. 0id you meet 19 with any other Investigators? 20 21 -- dories your inspection of the tosser* 22 rove alter thew! massages had been completed with 2) Mr. Epstein. -- 24 2$ Q. -- do you [saber seeing any -- anything that 0.41i f/2.1501 rsorr COST ihrO/dha: AGENCY, INC. (5411 thr•Shal •••••••••••••••••••••••••••114eSON. """•••••••""••••••IllethreitrrOlOteetreetret termer. edsixd000rtsehrescesn ?age 96 you would describe as blood) No. never. Cio you renomber seeing anything that you would describe as • sexual fluid? A. No, never. 6 0. When you worked for Jeffrey Spoleto. the wosan that you were married to. what Is her nen. Or -- what le 6 her name? 9 A. The noun that I was neer led tol 10 Q. I think -- the reason 'a eating la because 11 earlier today mean you first spoke, I thought I )2 reseaborod you saying that you -- both you and your 13 14 15 Q. -- Worked (or Ht. Epstein? 16 A. It's still my wife. It's still icy wife. We 11 didn't -- loo got Leeway* away fro.* divorce and the IS lawyers were toting ny nerdy by pipeline. 19 O. And what is her nano? 20 A. And we decide not to diver** gad we 'hill 2: together. 22 Sorry. I Missed that. But what is her ramie' 23 A. wee.. 24 O. bet es bah look through dry notes to see If I 2$ have any other questions. (561) f12-4500 MSC CCM Nelentr/MG AGENCY, hC. eineargsaleensesweragnewass nenerrewleanne•••••flelltIMCISeateeserreirerateeseeruarsware....."^aeve riendoinheneveren (5411 012-1:C4 3504-022 Page 4 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000026 1 8 EFTA00157571 10 11 12 14 15 16 I? IP 19 20 21 22 2) 24 25 2 A. Okay. Q Thank you very suet,. A. Velame. CROSS EXAMINATION Page 97 5 BY KW. NEAKELSIKIM: • 0. Good afternoon, Kr. Alessi. A. Yeti. s1r. O O. fly name is Stuart deteelstein. I represent a 9 group of the Plaintiffs in thee* Cases and I have posse questions for you as well. Your wife). Maria. does she live at the ear* address a0 you h0e? A. Yes. she does. O. New, when you began sorting lull time for Mr. Spoleto. I believe you said that was around 1921. Or that correct? Yea. O. Was your wife, was she hired at the nee tore its you? A. No. She was hired three years after. O. And NA did that come about that your wife sr) hired? A. My wife was hired because we had a housekeeper that one was doing the cleaning and she left. Then we had another housekeeper. Polish girl. and she lett. 11411 01).:11C MM AK ctiar srscAlliii' AGENCY. IOC. owsimeerereeeteenewasnanansimw ""Taf(flagnIA. weeeKb..m ammonia...aeons if6 i 812-1:06 6 9 10 11 12 13 16 IS 16 17 lb 19 20 21 22 23 24 logo 16 1 And then by that tine so kids wont to College 2 and nur wife was at hOme. And I suggest my wife to Cede 3 to work wIth a. to help a. 4 Q. so you secessended to Kr. Epstein that he litre S your wife) 6 Yes. And he did? A. Yes. he did. 0. And what were her 100 Outlet' there? A. Nor only job duties were SlApplog. basically the shopping. getting movie tickets, show tickets. bay books, blind the food to Kis. EtAteln'S -- Kr. Epstein's mother. sometimes drive Mrs. Spaeth to the doctors. She was not involved -- and wart she did sons cleaning for me. 0. did she live with you in the upstairs apartment? there. Out I had to stay these beanie 9y Job starts from 5:00 in the sins nn to 10:00 et Binh' O. Mid did Maria leave her employment the sea 25 tins as you? 11411 652-11.0, )ROSE COAT Pre0401$40. MGM,. KIC. sweeress Ammeeetirt0840/0 0.1...." 1" Ta' s'n•KSISIBIIMANBele ......sousestewsisees esseseseeisseneenn 15611 01Z-1504 1 2 4 5 6 7 10 Il 12 13 14 15 16 I, II IS 20 21 22 13 14 Page 99 Yea. ise did at the ars time. O. you testified that you would come into the bedroom and clean up after that correct? A. That's correct. O. Old you -- were there occasions Were you had your wife help you with that? 0. mere there -- did she hove occasion to go into the easter bedroom? A. It was occasions before that she will help to set up the tables once in a while, set up the oils and the tables. But I will do the clean up Q. Is there • reason for that? A. I was non) involved into the final appearance Of the house. And It wee my responsibility to mate sure that every coo. was perfect after they Nit and before they went to bed. 0. was there anyone else who assigned your wire work other than you? A. MO. KS. Maxwell. etOmetliniS She would tell my wife. 00 buy >Coe stuff. 00 get this and go get that. She was mostly -- my wife was scatty out of the house. She was -- this house was Mr. Spetein would pays. go get a* this book. go get lie this eaqaxinot 9a get en 25 tickets, nevie tiCket• for this Sheet and (hie shoe and /561) 012-7500 rtfOr COOPY NEPATING AM:Y. INC. (Sell anti14 eitersitabtipotts leen Serstarkelell.741•991 09setatalitheidet Dogs Il.•••••01-1•1•fteils 199.8-00.1•91.1disielInt Mira tlita n. Vannensmethe Iltnet0 therateett inti Vega 100 1 this show. And she would have to travel -- and I was on 2 the phone with so wife constantly, buy this, get this. 3 get this -- and the food, and the food because it was • 4 five-star hotel. 5 Q. Old Its. 'Unwell or Ms. [patio over instruct 6 your wife to do housecleaning tasks) 7 No. : was blamed for everything. O Q. You were blamed for everything, 9 A. : was blamed for the gad and the bad. 10 O. Old you -- during the time your wife wet II there, did you also have a hired housekeeper? 12 A. Ma have a crew of house/Cleaners. we have • I) crew of peOple that would Cone t0 the rouse and do a 14 -- 1 Keane 0eep cleaning. you know, to the house. If Mae that every day? 16 A. Once • week -- 0m it watt type a *AA. It )7 was ',weedily and friday.. 16 It depends on Mr. Epritein't eche/Ade because 19 he didn't -- he didn't want nobody at the house while he 20 use at the house. So we have to rearrange cloys for the 21 clean-tp crew to cone in. And r usually did that. As 22 soon as they left 1 bring the cleaning clew, get the 23 hOuse reedy and -- end get set for then for the next 24 trip. 25 O. Old you have a hefeekeeper Ntip did 1,41r M.1531 AIM COURT IMPOKtle: astsCY, INC. mewimeersieueuetwereeenetowsise n"" "Mr=r= "ww i essweroweaceeseeewal ""` "' GI ftWOltealtirOnt 010M Sell $)2-7506 3504-022 Page 5 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000026 19 EFTA00157572 Page 101 housekeeping tasks en an everyday bests while you were 2 employed 3 4 Motore cry vile wont In? S O. Mo. After your wife. 6 A. Mo. Not a full-Ilea housekeeper. 7 O. Skit you said your wife was hired &&&&& the housekeeper left? 9 10 0. Out -- so the pencil who left befor• your wit. II C . was she doing housekeeping chores? 12 A. Yee. she was doing the housekeeping chores. 13 0. Weil. who did it then crier your wife became 14 employed there. because and wasn't doing the 15 housekeeping? 14 A. I was. I was *Arm it and then we hire people 17 for to help us. IS O. SO you were the Main person doing the 19 housecleaning? 20 A. Yeah. al O. And daring -- between that tic* that your elle 22 started end when you lett the employment, wee there 23 separate housekeeper employed during that tine? 24 No. Pull tine? No. 25 INII-tine housekeeper? i$61i 8)2-7500 rPOIC COMM lErCoNilic AO T. MC. Semmerwmantneramemanmaranerme ...11Mtagana a.mermnamsonweammn 1561) 832-7304 2 5 6 7 9 Page 102 Moot about a part-tram housekeeper? Like I told you, deity baste ea cell this company. and then they will cow* In with four or five girls and clean the whole house. This is the crew you were taping about? The crew. but the crew didn't cone when Mr. Epstein wee Q. there? 10 A. Right. 0. So on an everyday bests when Mr. Epetein ea* 12 there, yea were the only person who seas cleaning? 13 lee -- yeah. or ay wife will help. 14 At your instruction? 15 That'. right. 16 O. Out you don't ever rent-bet her cleaning Up 17 after maPsagel? IS If Is It possible that you Instructed her to 20 clean up? 21 A. it's poseiblo, but -- 22 lat. MUTTON: yowl. Asking Me to speculate. 23 BY IS. MEAWELSTCM: 24 O. Tow tan wooer. 23 A. It's possible. (141I 412.2300 POOSS COMO REPORNiei ACEACr. INC. •••••••••••woWeeeeloweecasinereais •••••••••••".•'••••"Taildlligilitanu.......r.n Oaf enema. neeninareenearrell Mall 8)2-7506 Page 10) 0. linen olrle would dosa to give a unlade. where 2 would they dem In the house? Would they cone to Ins (rent door? A. Mostly Cane to the back kitchen door. 0. The beet kitchen door? • 9 10 O. Okay. And le there a bell them? Would they knock or how would they -- A. Tnem's a door bell. O. A door bell? They would ring the door bell', I2 O. And who generally would answer the door? A. Me or ny wire. 14 O. So you would let then In? 15 16 tat. CINITON: Stuart. con ! Just ask you? You ll use the tern, girls. 3 ••••••• you lust man. that IS amine female women. It can Man anything? It he, 19 no age bracket to It? 20 HR. NEIWIELSTEM: COrreCt. l'n not 21 retorting apelltiCally to does right now. 22 THE WITNESS: KO. 2) BT MR. MESNELSIEINt 24 0. So es I understand it, the girl would cone t. If the kitchen entrance, which is the service entrance. Mel) 022.7,00 0.10.0c COger PEPOrtile ACONCT, INC. (Sell et sonendmerawatasnauwonnav t••••••• "'"IINCteAr.21=retrustruido...pdtwea'""'"" C.eRetCwatte0OCIOV• Page 104 correct? 2 A. 3 O. You Moe to say yea or no. 4 A. Yes, sir. 5 O. If you answer uh-huh, that'. not clear, so you 6 have to mower yee or no. 7 A. Okay. And you would typically open the door? 9 Yes. sir. 10 O. And what would happen then? Ii A. Then I will keep her In the kitchen and go to 12 Mr. Epstein and find out where they want to have the 13 ne)sage. or if it vas for his or for Ma. Maxwell. And I le Iftledlately. if thee were repeat oicl• that are -- they IS will know inIeCtly where to 90. And 1 will go UP with 14 thole set the tables, and they will watt for him or her I7 tO go In the /OSA and they lilt there until they CNN up. IS 0. So did you generally already know that they 19 were coning at the tire that they knocked on the door? 20 A. Yes, uh-huh. 21 O. So you had an oppaIntnent schedule? 22 A. Yeah. because rest of the Imes I wee dotal/ 23 the calling. you know. I called J., ea in at 3:00 24 this afternoon. AM she will told se. no. I cannot. eat 25 sosebody else. And I knew it the tine they were coning. Mali 072.7(1." oeME CODA roloaninc ACMCS. MC. 15612 ill2-7546 ••••••••••••"•""^"ddMilaftati OafMatlemetaPPROKele 3504-022 Page 6 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002620 EFTA00157573 Page '05 1 so : vas expecting the Melt of the tine. o. So you would expect the.. [hey would cone in 3 and then you would eeeOrt them upstairs? A. Oh-huh. • 0. 6 A. l'n sorry. sir. • Q. Yes> e Yee. Out first you would find Mr. Zp nnnnn and check 10 to see if he. • ready or find It,. Maximl I to chock to am If sheet ready] 12 A. 13 Q. And which nnn a n case would you -- would you 14 take then up? 15 A. Either way. 16 Q. You would take the» either the Min staircase 17 or the servant staircase? A. Ye*. 19 O. Why would you take the meth staircase, since 20 you're already in the kitchen? 71 A. That •e what 1 says, either way. We can go 27 through the mein staircase or we go to the kitchen 23 stalscase. So we use both. 24 Q. Okay. Well, 1.11 talking specifically to 25 escort • girl upetaars. 15611 812-7500 Melt COLMT RERYAT ASIDKY. DC. i....mampSeato rila V sene~~....~...•~40410.11~ 0..30.nintom•sest. 45611 0,37-'104 Page 104. 1 A. I escort the girls up there either way. both 2 3 Q. And, to, whet you walked to the upstairs bedroom. let's take the avenge of when Mr. Epstein is • netting • .afar/ • A. Yee. 7 0. W. Epstein wouldn't be up there yet, is the. e correct? 9 A. That's correct. 10 Q. Be would be downstairs Nseterc' II A. oh-huh. 12 Would there be a place -- 13 M. CRITTOW: Fore. 14 WY M. INOWKELSTZIN: 15 0. -- where he would normally be while. you too.. 14 he'. ttttt ng for the omega to be set up end ready? IT A. Yea. 14 Where Is that? Whore would ha be? If Either et Ms desk or the pool 'Sou.", 20 Q. Md twee were on the first floor? 21 A. Yee. 22 0. Md. so. when you arrived .t the top of the 23 stelae with the Oirl for thu manage, whet would you do 24 then? 75 A. Go beck to ny duties. 0411 007-3100 Pees. COPT INPOIcT:RE Wart INC. 11•••••••••••••••••••• •••••••••?~ ww.ww.. Il lerasesseorsan a.* mises anuesameumna moo 1141• (412.7504 tape 101 You weld 'on leave? Would the roneage table 2 already be eet u97 3 A. No knew already that the girl. -- the girl 4 went upstairs and It was up to hIn to come' up. 5 Q. Old you have censer:m[1one with any of thatm 6 girl., 7 A. Sometime. fs Q. Moat kind of thing. would you talk about? 9 A. Regular things. Nothing that I can renmehr. 10 11 Q. Did any of then ever tell you their mpre7 12 13 Q. Did any of then ever assure you that they were 14 187 IS M. CAUTION Fors. 16 BY M. WERKELSIZIN: 17 Or over? If A. NO, etc. 19 0. le one ever lentil:n*4 anything .beet age? 20 A. Wo, sir. 21 Q. Mow did the 91[14 appear to you? Did the,' 22 eerier to be very young? 23 M. CAM031: rota. 24 TM: INTICEST: Ag•in, the sari guest ion you ash 25 ae. Cverytedy ark ne the ism then. They could '541" 107-"<O' 4/49,6 Mire INPOIN:ur. ACeirCy. INC. ra.«....nielsAnsosittai fl aw./ 4.1.C.X.raPn•tt•OCICOM) 15611 832.'584 leer 108 have been 16 or 20. Met of then were. I would 2 says. Over 20. Md seer mean, It was over 60. 3 AM One tine she cane to the door. The husband was 4 waiting Outside. And Ms. Maxwell saw this man. • that novetedy recorrsona her. And knell says to • M. John. you have to find an excuse. We don't 7 want her. SO I had to pay this man end fleet en excuse 9 that they going to have to 00. Md she -- they 10 never had • woozier with her. 11 Rut there was -- »oat of the were wens. 12 They were not girls. 13 BY M. MIANELSTElle )4 O. so the some who was over 60 was cent away: 15 she was rejected, correct] 16 M. 001TON: IT TIM WITIO6=4: It was -- 1 was told to send het 18 )9 BY M. MERKELSTE110 20 Q. Md it woe your understanding when you were 21 told t0 send her away. It was teCaaeo Of her age. 22 correct? 23 M. CEITTZ4N font. 74 TWZ WITIEGS: I don't knee. 1 don't know. I ]5 was told to tend her away. Si- "in: ninSc Cerihr rrneln:i.r. Arran, INC. ~toe ~Pi Noe inane. Pintail tiesegunn.•••••sle . •••••••••• beam Ass.. red. Con • X.)10. 3504-022 Page 7 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002621 EFTA00157574 rage 109 Of M. KERKELVIEIK: 2 Q. What was your understanding as to why they were sending her Wray? MA. CR1DPOM: fors. Asked and answered mire 5 UAW, nom. MR. MERMELSTEIN: lie Merit -- he hasn't 1 annwered ay daeltitin yet. MR. CRIMP, He has. MR. MERIOLSITIW: Co ahead. 10 ?RE ollgt3S: Why? 11 Sty M. WrAMEYSTEIK: 12 0. Please ember the question. 13 A. Can you repeat the question? 14 Q. What wee your understandlog as to why they IS tent her away? 16 MR. CIUTTOM, Form. 17 hit wilt:: Wy understanding was either they 18 were busy on they didn't want her. 19 BY MR. KERKELAITIK: 20 Q. What was your uvMutandin0 as to why they 21 didn't want her? 22 MR. CRITION: Form. Harass ln0. 23 THE WITNESS: I don't know. I didn't -- I 24 didn't mate to, each et It. 25 la MR. taPlabgetilb 15611 512-7500 PSOOt Catlin isPOIKInG Ability, INC. t5all .11?-7548, eftwasaereedietameleneensinia ii"ina"....1...N.. .SeaCataanIeseneens eht P. Car .' " Page 110 Sot every other wow.n on burgle wad cane over 2 to give • message was ouch, much younger, correct? 3 4 Q. So this 60 year old woven u s • a gn can exception, confect? M. CR/1160: Fero. Paguldritativg. 7 ST M. IIKR1481.-9/818: 0. YOu Can answer. 9 A. I don't know how to answer that question. ?Oa 10 ask me to -- 11 Let se ask you this. 12 a. CR:170W: Why don't you let his answer the 13 quest loo beton. you Interrupt Mn. 11 SY M. MgRWELSTLIW: IS 0. All right. Go ahead. Please answer. It didn't look like you were A. I don't know how to answer that questlon, you IS asking ne what le your opinlon or that. It And I told you, ny opinion of that. other 20 they saw the girl -- I don't think Mr. [potion ever saw SI the %Van. put its. leallieell bee the viOaari in Cr* 22 kitchen. And she told ret.. John. pay her and eend Mr 2) 24 0. Okay. 25 A. That wee It. 1161) 312-7500 PltoOK WAS NEPOI.W.K. AfbIttv. led. twawitsgemmegembsenww wwwne menewerenweibenu ww elteeldIMPAPteib. enuescussarcomanni 15611 0)2.1506 Sago 111 So Mg. Maxwell looked at the women? 2 A. Right. 0. Did end have a COnvettlatiOn with her? 4 A. Mo. 5 0. She lust looked at her end then said to you to 6 send her away. correct? A. Yeah. Pay her and seed her away. 8 Q. Do you recall teeing women who cue to pave massages who ere in their 50s7 10 Tes. 11 There were eaten In the 50e? 12 A. Toe. Il 0. 80w Often did that happen? 14 A. Not too often, Wt it was -- It was wOmen that 15 they were in the 50,. I says. again, could have been 16 49. 45. I don't know. 1 don't know the ages, but it 17 Older WOW', 16 0. 80w many middle-age women do you retell C.Calln9 19 over to glee itiSeageS? 20 M. fAITTOIll Form. 2) Tit Inewebb 1 don't renewbor how Sony. hut I 22 would says MI 2) was. I would says, in the 400. And she 24 Carle very. vety often. And I understand she was a 25 manage specialist and a yoga instructor, too, et 115611 8)2-150: MOOSE COW/ ittrOSTIMG/WISKY. INC. esawgredene..... news. 0.10WKOLletWaeCiter 3611 11?-75.04 Raga 112 the sale [lee. 2 SO that was One Of -- and there was Vieth.? 3 ocean he she was OUppelle0 to be a teacher at the Oche.) of eaesege therepy that I Can't remenber her name. Rut that's it . 6 BY M. 11COMELSTEIL So those two you reammber who were older? 8 A. Two. And it was • couple gage that ware ol der 9 that -- Bose guys that vete elder. too. Ouge. 10 0. Did Kr • Elietein *Vet have winSaCle• dose be men? IS Ii 0 Awl 414 Ho ermieln ever lava va•••goe none by 14 these Older wane? 15 A. Yee. 16 0. When you escorted the fable In this case for 1? the masted* to the upstairs bedroom -- correct? -- you 16 would the, leave? 19 A. Yes. 20 0. You would then walk back dOwnetabs? SI A. 22 0. Correct? 2) And would you then -- would you -- you had 21 already told Ms. Epstein that she's there. correct? 25 A. ITAL . . correct. 15411 1.3.1./:,' randt COPT IMPORTIo: WZNCY. INC. @Yaws* yew let enflame 0•••••••••••••• * r.. ,.-mwwdgame.e, ,a fen a ea seeilsaeassaNeieseeemb GilISICOI•MTfloiCaSee 15411 Ol2-/504 3504-022 Page 8 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002622 EFTA00157575 Tom 11.3 And at some point later then Mr. Epstein maid 2 cow upstate, correct? 3 A. That's correct. 4 O. Mad where would you go? 5 A. to en duties, to the kItchen or to by office. 6 O. And 1 think you testified oozing that the • doors of the bedroom would be closed during this O .000090? 9 al nut* close theater. 10 O. SO Mr. Epstein. stel, he would arrive palate, II would clop, the door? 12 A. Tao, air. 13 O. And about how long would the passage last 31 generally? IS A. Mealy an hour. le And what would happen et the end? 17 They would come down. Host of the repeat le girls, they would bring the towel. than/rep and dap 19 it by the kitchen by the laundry room we ad than, In 20 order to help us. Other girls. they just left it up 21 there ad they would con awn. 22 Kittle, Kr. Epstein will pay or 1 will pey 23 24 Cud they 25 or Its. Manna win pay thou. 45611 412-7500 nag Con. Ragan. AGIMCY, reasoneareamennannaninaso •••••••••~NriesaussoNasiba• 10A~••••••••••~11•1111{~00.01ne 10.•~1.•10.M.P. 04:t 812-1504 Page 114 1 Q. PIA Mr. Epstein walk down with the girl. or 2 did he stay unlace? 3 A. Sammiae, seaman no. Somptimee he teak a 4 nap or he look a shower. I don't know what they did In • the roon. I don't know. I don't know. 502411.e• he 6 went down right away. Sweet am he grey up there. Q. So when they nee awn, they would go to the • kitchen: Is that correct? 9 A. Yeah, apt of It. 10 sea you there waiting for rhea or did you Il ban -- I2 A. Ny office ase right neat to the kitchen, so I 1 was there -- and the kitchen as the foul point of the 14 house basically. So they han to go to the kitchen IS either to get pay or to go to their are. It O. Dad you Convene with any of the girls when 11 they Cat darn attar the manage? 18 A. Very little. Very little. It O. Did ya aver observe a girl ea appeared 20 alai. Surprised. Slacked, anything Of that nature when 21 they car. down? 12 2 24 2 A. O. A. Q. Kern. Haar. kb zonalaa you would coy theft Correct? /ha'. correct. Mow an would you -- (561/ $12-7500 Can COCIM OMPOICha ACKHCY, IYL. 15611 ••••••••••••••••• US VIMIN•~1 1~4 Me (w„Ousw WOHMMICIMAIO« Peg. 115 1 A. A halal volta. e 0.1.44,4. 2 O. A hundred dollars a massage? Were tare over eny exCeptiOns? 4 A. That's the -- t nover pay anY nere 5 hundred dollarsper ma ssage. • O. Here there tires when two girls Case? ▪ A. /we girls Case at the aeon the? O. Correct. A. Yeah. There were Clam when two girl* Cale in 115 at the Sae tine Surd me will go tO One Pal, the Other 11 will go to the other noon. Dr ono -- I would set up two 12 tables In his coal or I will ask Inn, where you went to 13 at to usages? He will told we, eat in the blue coon 14 e14 set them in ny room. Or set thee in Ghislione's IS tom and to red roan, depends on who people were there. 16 but tan are tines where two of the gins at the era 1? tine. yea. 18 Q. sae there ever «canna where there w•• • 19 girl who waited downetain while on. -- while the other 20 girl went up aaaaaa 21 A. 22 Q. That never happened? 23 A. I Cannot rentegiar. 24 O. Ma there over an occasion where you paid a 25 girl woo waited and didn't actually give It Reeser? 'Mtn el2-7500 reaC Oak: AkinTIOK ACEPCY. IOC. 4561) $12-7504 etatanniossaanwatairteriat .1"*"."1"^"'"'""'"""lettr4reECL.r.......,rm acarmarral ans~asent ans•COuniniscant Pp. 116 1 2 O. That never happened? 3 A. Never happened. 4 O. You mentioned that Mr. Epstein put you in 5 contact with Mr. Murrell, 18 that Correct? MR. °UPTON: Fag. 7 THE 14119690: Hot Hr. Crinkle.. • BY MR. METMELSICINt • O. Huh? 10 A. It wasn't Mr. Epstein. 11 O. Mr. tpatein'a lamplighter Put In. In Contact 12 with Mr. Murrell? 13 A. that's correct. He gave se his at. 14 And did you pay Nr. Murrell out of your own IS pocket? le A. Ma, 1 didn't pay nothing. IT 0. Who is -- what wee your undasinnding as to 18 who wait paying for Kr. areal? 19 A. 1 don't know. I don't Now who was paying for 20 21 0. You never asked Mr. Murrell who wag paying hie 22 bill? 23 A. a t. he never send no a bill. 24 0. Did you think that Mr. Parer wee doing it 25 tor free? ...It 012-7500 fiCC.F. COOS' IIKPOR7:KG AGrMer. 15611 8)2.15:4 -.~ ^•••••••••n•••• •••== run. 047AOKOK~Ohi 3504-022 Page 9 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002623 EFTA00157576 sags so 1 A. I don't know. 2 Q. You don't know. As far as you :Wm, 3 NC. Murrell Could have been providing you legal IntviCof 4 for free? 5 A. No. I don't [hint it was provided is rot frQQ. 6 I don't think he ever -- that question ever cone out of Mr. Sorrel/. : was In Mr. Murrell's office for about ten minutes. 11 And he says. well, I reset you teMarrOw 10 thane -- and that's it -- in older to protect you so 11 they don't inCrimlnate you in any way. We left It at 12 that. Me never send ine • bill. Me never send ne -- 1 11 never talk to Mr. Murrell again. never saw his again. It Q. And you never had any kind of unaerstanclin, IS with him as to how -- 16 A. 17 Q. -- how his bill wee going to be Fold: IS A. m. 19 Q. Did you sign any kind of what we call. a 20 retainer ogreement. anything whore you hired him? ti 22 MR. CAISSON: Just eo you know. you have en 23 ettotney -- nobody's going to tell you this 24 apparently. 25 You hove en attorney/cl lent privilege. Any 11411 52?-15:.? FACIE 00401 HIPORTIlia AURCY. INC. meimmesewesemesimmeesimisemisimil "—"`"" Tdsu toestouswens easeeeeeneeee ea, (5611 1)2.7505 Page 1111 1 conversation that you had with Mr. Murrell. you and 2 your wife, is [Cap 00000 y prOt•Cted. as 1009 as you • want to 00000 t that priestess:. 4 You can either assert It or not assert it. 5 Thera your right. nut nobody's apparently going 6 to tell you that, at least Mr. Nentolatein Id net • ring to tell you that. KR. MEAMIUSTSIN: Moll. I was trying to 9 avoid -- 10 MA. CMITION, Nell, you're nthq questions of 11 what he said. 12 MR. SLANCESTEIM: I'm not asking then what 13 they said. II MA. CRITIOW: Sane thing. 15 MR. NERMIESTEIN: I'm asking him how he get IS paid. I? MR. CRIMPS Ito, you were -- real back your le question, where you were. 19 Anyhow, that's a right you ?ave. so... 20 So much for the law. Pi NN. PISAMELOrtnis I wee net asking min what 22 wee said daring any Conversation. I asked him if 23 he signed • retainer. That's a fair question. 24 BY SR. MEASLES'S'S: 2S O. DO you renarear a girl wit* Casa to give 19611 02-7500 :Wax COIn? szyCoVite. AollaCY. INC. emeweimmenerw&maremmenwiumemses Al'AIA..."' InAAAflAN'INIKLUSSN0Pmilessmormstoereetwaisalts' mssTnAmts cuammumessecemscese 15411 $12-/504 Page 110 massages those by the rase QOM_' Does that none 2 Sound familiar at all? 3 4 De you teamster &nil'? Mo. O. What about allill? Do you tonwobor anyone ny 7 the name of III'? El A. 9 O. Wail it frequent that girls would Coss Nast 10 once and not appear again? 11 A. Frequently. 12 Q. These girls that would come. would they as 13 with their own equipment or supplioa? le A. Mb. Some girls, they none in with a table, 15 the new girl. they cone in a. t • sillily.. And I would 16 told them. no, you don't need the table. may will 17 leave it In the kitellso las:, Me we have tables in ovary IS room in the. house. 19 Q. Some of the q oo 1 oo the first tine they use 20 they didn't have anything. right? 21 A. May wee. eith that table. urn uf ttp tabsies 22 they hang it in the shouldera, portable tables. Put we 23 didn't have portable tables in the room. They were all 24 cu•sosenasis. tables. 23 O. Did ease girls cues without -- for the first 11611 077-7:40 tacit COMO smtOMIIMC AGigues. esissemosremoirameermemenssimemset AAA''' IlIA 'Al." 'afl ' AielLSBUSWASILeesumvose nos'sowns sd usaudoesus Page 120 tied without any *swollen et all. whether equipment or 2 lotions or anything of that nature? 3 A. Probably. 4 0. Did you have a question in your nine as to whether they were profesolonal et this business? 6 • 0. At massaging? • A. 0. Why not? 10 It was not ny yob. 11 MR. CRITICS: Fors. 12 BY MR. Wen4E4S7EIN: 13 Q. You lust didn't think about It? 14 MR. CRITICS: Porn. 15 THE WITNESS: if I was told that a girl is IA Cesiing, ny job was to Open the door, let het In and 17 let Sr. Epstein *eclat where he wants his massage. II And that was the end of it. If BY SR. MERCIESSIE'N: 20 Q. Are you aware that sexual conduct between an at adult mei. end en unesereee isle It ccininatu it.. 22 against the law? 23 KR. CRITTOM: Fora. 24 THE WITNESS: Of course I do. 25 BY MR. MCWHIESTEIN: 4561) $12-1506 15611 0)2-1500 rsOlt COust ProasCinc sErw/s. 45411 Nil-tt04 ••••••••••••••••••••••ItalauPPPnams e"...".." ."1".."" "laf= " art=e0tpututp•fauttpUtter a.."...... WVAPOMMUUnICCUOW 3504-022 Page I 0 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002624 EFTA00157577 Pepe 121 1 O. Old you have any concerns whdle you were 2 working them that criminal acts were occurring with the 3 girls Who were oaring to the door? 4 KR. CRITTOM: Form. Tat WITNESS: : had no idea what was groin on 6 between then. BY MK. MENCLSTEN: Q. Let in lust glee you sone other naves am if you recognise any of these nante 10 IL I? 13 14 1 l$ 19 20 22 23 0. =7 24 Ho. -? A. (nods heed.? Q. Mane does not ring a bell? A. (NOds heed.) KR. CAUTION: You lave to answer out loud. BY MR. MCPect 92601: O. l'Ou need to say yes Or no. A. KO. O. A. Can you repeat that? O. • would be the first nee. 111.0,11 ' 7 T.. second nano? 25 (5611 111-000 PR)5E CIXOT 2001406 ACM?. INC. (5611 40-4506 mesdissessenossowsenakessassail "......." ..W.......IISISCIP$444‘,Issnotts 'toe • the Mom endstrasnwtsansin 1 2 Q. IMI7 3 A. No. None of those girls' -- 4 Q. None of these girls sing • ball at ell? 5 A. -- nano familiar to me. 6 Either they case ono time. one day and they didn't even told me their names or -- or he said for it 8 that I don't have -- but none of those napes sound 9 fanillar to es. JO Q. You tousled that there were -- *bout the sax 11 toys that you would pick up after -. alto. these were 12 ?stews**. correct? 13 NA. CRITICS: Form. 14 BY NA. MERKELVIEIM: 15 Q. The vibrator*, correct? 16 MR. CRITTON, Fen'. 17 BY KR. 140MELSIEIN: 10 0. You can *newer. 19 A. Yes. 20 O. And you mentioned there use a basket with 21 these vibrators or toys in them, correct? 22 A. Yee. 23 Q. Where was the basket kept? 24 A. In Ms. 14axwoll's closet. 25 Q. And that was In the master tedroon? 061/ 932.1500 red= ccuin ReicaTOIC AGSMS, INC. 061) 412-7506 6^•••••••••••••••••nnia"'"'"'" .r •••••••• on • .a.... ••• •••••“......nns• Page 123 1 KR. CRITICS: Form. 2 BY MR. MIMOMISIKIN: 1 Or off the te eter bathroom? 4 A. Her bathroom. O. Huh? 6 A. Her bathtent. O. And the closet We -- the entrance to the 8 closet was in her ',inbreed? A. that'. correct. 10 O. And It was • portable basket, eh* could now. 11 It around, correct? 12 A. Uh-huh. 13 0. You have to cay yes or no. 14 A. Yes, air. IS O. And -- and that's where the, I think you wed 16 the ward 01100( correct? lhal'el where they were 11 located? lE A. Yes, elr. If O. Mae there OCCOttiOnd where you would -- the 20 snide, ono or sore dildos would be out and you would 22 clean than up aaa.age that only Kr. Epstein had. 22 not Ms. Maxwell? 23 A. It was -- I will says that it was about three 24 Or fOur OCC.01Ons that I had to take this dildOs and put 25 It back where they supposed to be. And 1 took It with (5611 412-)500 0.0160:01iT AtiUseniCMOICY. eamwmasmussuswevhawrownammemwo timeweiseinenswestsweewnertszena ftunsassemsein rtudaseulsewem(beveasamdemtenewe S•xmsweeddittneme 060 (07• 077 Page 124 gloves and towels and stick it In the 'ink and throw it 2 in there. 3 Soestimes Ms. Maxwell will have a massage. 4 MO sonatiass I find it aaaaa she's supposed to have a sussuse those things. And also when Mr. Epstein had 6 the message. So I don't know who use it on who. because sonatinas they all disappear up there. 8 Mr. Epstein, Ms. Massiall and steever was up there. 9 Q. So as 1 understand It, you couldn't isolate a 10 partleuler instant uhOre -- II A. 1 Cannot. 12 Q. -- Ms. Maxwell wasn't there, only Mr. Epstein 13 had gotten a 1110Sage and then you found the Sex toys? 14 A. 1 Cannot Isolate that. IS Q. But It's possible that either Mr. Epstein used Id It or Ms. Maxwell used it; is that correct? 17 MA. CRITTOS: Font. Form. 18 1HE VIINESS: I have no ides to know. 19 KR. MENal-ltrin: All right. have nothing 20 further. 21 MR. arMOSR: How about if we take • break? 22 mould you like • break for • couple minutes? 23 Thor MANES!: No, that's fine. 24 MR. 'MOM: Kr. Willits. would it be possible 25 If I could Olt there, because I've get a couple (541; stc.507, ISM COORS liceovilmo AGENCY. INC. eszadwasemes0-5..----ionanersima t......"1"."."-"' ." .7(ltAstotreran' aetwe'sys• cw. seeer""'" wag.. Gisneltwesemnats 0411 3504-022 Page I I of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002625 EFTA00157578 Page 12> Exhibits a.s maim, to show litn7 MA. WILLITS: Stirs. WA. DEACCA: Thanks. CPOSS EXAMINATION SY it. SKRGER: 6 O. Okay. Good afternoon, sir. 7 A. Afternoon, sir. 0. Wy name is Wil I tan J. Berger and I represent three of the Plaintiffs in this case. 10 Did you aver It... of the mamill, a yore{ 11 woman named Il? 12 A. No, air. 13 Now about a young wan naiad 15 Okay. You know, you"... referred Several [Isms 16 tO a falling Out Or a disagreement that you had with 17 Mr. Epstein? IS A. Yes. 19 0. Was that in -- was that the year that you left 20 his employment? 21 A. Right after -- eight after I left. 22 0. So you had a falling out with Pan atter you 21 left hi a employment? 24 25 Q. Nell. why did you leave his enploYourrt? (5411 02-1500 PPOZCCCOin amuseanswesouembrenwreistaneribre "..".".".".....".181truritlknowastrras Reins termmul 11411 $13-1506 Page 126 A. Why? 2 Yeah. 3 DOCAUBO 1 Wag alCk. 1 was extremely muck. ■ 4 And I WS. 6 sick of the job and im had enough. We had good pay, but we had enough of the 143. especially because of 8 Pa. Maxwell's ttttt ode toward. us. O. Now. you said you had good pay, but we had 10 enough. What was your pay in 20027 Ii A. 2002, right before I left7 I think it WA* 50, IS either SS, something like that. Mid my wife was 30 or 11 15. I could be wrong. 14 Q. So you think that you woes paid 455,000 in IS 2002? 16 17 O. Is that correct? IS A. fbat'S correct. li O. Md you believe your wife .00 held hew muCh? 20 Thirty. 130.000. 21 430,000 in 2002? 22 A. tb-huh. 23 O. Is that correct? 24 25 Q. Nue about 2001, What WaS your salary end your 061) 051. 1550 7077x CUM 464.0Pilin AUNCY. INC. Ouesearesnuemniumwomanarsam a"." ' " ' " '"78%=.ttat........••*4 des asiodni isannsismanaos 11411 832-170a Page 121 1 wife's? 2 A. Oars thing. Okay. And In 2000? 4 A. 1 was at the sane. It never -- we never got S raise,. We never get -- 6 O. I think you said at the waxy beginning -- I A. Yes. 0. -- Of the deposition that you hero paid 45.000 9 when you were first hired full time? 10 A. Yeah. 11 O. In 2002. you were earning 55,000? 22 A. Uh-huh. 13 0. So you did get note [else? 14 A. Yeah. In the matter of 11 years. Yeah. but IS we didn't get a raise every six menthe of every year in 16 any specific date. And the were set by the 17 company. Automatically they would cone from New York. IS It was not a negotiate point between me and Kr. Epstein. IS 0. Md then you said earlier with me, you mad we 20 had enough, you and your wife. You said, we had enough: 21 Is that correct? 22 A. That's correct. 23 0. What do you mean by that? 24 A. It warm extremely stressful lob. It was a 1._t 25 of pressure on us -- on mi. on me -- I hove t0 0011 412-7100 PAO6t COURT PETOITIN4 AGENCY. INC. 45611 532.1536 •••••••••dan.nes....sl Ostannsand. " ... . PeiCCCIntnnlbunn • ens toe erMrwaIda••••• 0.0.010004tP01001010i 114,11 128 Everything was blaned on se. ft a 2 chef cook a bad meal. It we fly fault. And II the table was not proper set royalty style. It Was fry fault. And the hours were terrible, never have a holiday, Saturdays and Sundays. Me were working between 60 and 70 hours • week. And ny health was. I think. the most Important thing. Md also the relation with my wife, It was a big factor in us leaving the 040PsaY• Now, you &aid that you were blamed for things? 10 A. Yea. SI!. 11 Q. Who would him.* you? Who is it that would hey 12 that 'wirer* blamed? 13 A. I don't know who did the bleating, but 1 will 14 get hey ma dwwM wt by Ms. Maxwell IS She was the one? 16 A. Moat of the times. yes. 17 0. Who else did that? IS A. SOmetimes I had dlu0reenenu with him. 19 O. 'Him,' being, who? 20 A. Mr. Epstein. 23 0. About what? 22 A. Simple thing,. Por ne, it's stupid things. 21 nothing -- if this paper -- If this pencil was not put 21 in right there, they will complain. 25 0. Okay. And is It correct that you left the 041, $32 /777 W4074 C04$7 $6,04nriOAOCMCV. .NC. 1761: 012-1506 OwaiseiVamwOftSmOsTawmapOn4WW4M, em".'.... ..."...."VgrasZtl.Whereositr surx0.04 =nay. • Oat SpSemi u 3504-022 Page I2 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002626 EFTA00157579 Sage 129 1 employsent of Kr. Epstein in Deoesber Of 2002? Does 2 that stood correct? 3 That's correct. 4 Q. And the -- no... were you •rrested in 2003? 5 A. I was never arrested. 6 Q. You did speak to the pal ice? A. Yes. $ 0. And you did have your 'tetanal token et the State Attorney's Office? 10 A. Yes. ii 0. let you -- but that was by On aaaaaaa nt State 12 Attorney, Correct? I) Yes. 14 O. The CpultIOnIng? 15 A. (Side 'AKIO 16 O. Is that correct? 17 A. That's correct. IS O. You spoke separately with police officers 19 though. correct? 20 ma. CillITON, Morn. 21 02 HR. SENDER: 22 Q. In other words, the date of that Kalamai le 23 in October of 2003, is that correct? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Sod by that statement,. I lean, the i$610 02-7,00 114008 COURT REIOPTIMG AGENCY. IN:. seieriire eneeensiannsaie ••••"'"'"""''""nliter.CarkiilLeineeeens sive e pipeier•• • ••""e• enneseinfee 11411 0)2.3104 rage 130 1 tranictipt that 1 lava you earlier? 2 At what date, sir? 3 M. KERMELSITIN. 2005. 4 HS. /Kinn*: l'n sorry. You're correct. 5 Rank you. Sorry. 6 TAT WITNESS: 2005. M. BERGER' In fact, let's -- Hs. Reporter. 'Auld you nark the transcript if anybody needs it? 9 MR. CRITTCOh it'. Exhibit 2 row? 10 M. BERGER: IS that Pow you're doing it, lust Il COnsedotIvely? 12 KR. CRITTON: Yeah, let's do its otherwise, 13 It's going to be an awful nese have five Waitron 14 Exhibit lumbar Is by everybody. I> (Exhibit nunber 2 WA netted for In identification purpose..? 17 BY KR. BERGER: IS O. You see Exhibit 2' It's • transcript; is that IR correct? 20 A. That's correct. 21 Q. Is that the transcript of the *worn statemen 22 that you gave to the Assistant State Attorney in 2005? 23 A. Ms, sir. 24 O. And during the lunch break, did you ?Ave en 2> opportunity to read it? 8611 012-)S00 "AKA COWRY SX/010001 AOKK. INC. •Kannereannronastemwernotaninaler tw""1" . " ^ """'"'"IitZgattlaneeeefinais tee. eeienS "^"' .w neesienieneese 15617 ell-)506 0. "ago III Yes. sir. And do you vanisher that you were placed under oath when you gave that statement? A. Yes. sir. 5 O. And is everything that you say In hero truthful and correct' A. As far es 2 knot., yea. sir. O. Okay. NOw, In ConneCtIOn with the incident in 9 October Of 2003 involving Mr. fiastoliVo Nouse and your 10 entering his house, that Incident? 11 A. It was In October 2003? 12 Q. When do you remember that it was' I) A. : can't remember. It O. Okay. All right. You spoke with police u office.. In connection with that though, correct? 16 I went to the Pain Peach Police Department. I? Why did you go to the -- It I speak to one officer. 19 Q. and why did you go there? 20 A. Ilecauae Kr. -- when I spoke to Mr. Epstein end 23 we settle the dispute. rte. says, yew 'wet need to go to the Milne department end hake O StOttnent. 23 gel. WILLITS: Could I nave Exhibit molter 2. 24 Xt Thank you. 041. ill- P5050 COAK REPORTING ACEMCY. INC. nesnmarstvednao--"...t.oeirnanastann —errtfalVd/S. evenvonatteaecnint 04.1i Page 132 BY It. BERGER: 2 Let sr 00e If I understand this *arterial'. I think you testified earlier that you found a card Or you were given a cerd from a police officer, If that Correct? G A. That's CorreCt. 7 O. And a> a reeuit of that, you called 9 Mr. Epstein, Correct? 9 A. That's Correct. 10 O. betOre you got that Card, did you ?Ave any idea that the police were Involved in your lite? 12 13 It. MITCH: Fern. if DT It. MERGER: IS 0. And you celled Mr. Epstein after you got that 16 card, correct? Yes. IS 0. Wow, how did you get Was it nailed to If you? 20 A. Mo. It wo putted In ay door. I was not 21 home. MA they vent to ay house and troy left it in the door. 23 0. And did It have a note oe. it, OINK call? 24 A. Yea. 25 0. Or wee it lust a card? 041. Ot"-ISK PACK Oduim PRPOSTIIC ADMIT, INC. Kosesawienta•••••••••••••nevinntine .. " ..... "'"""'"'''Wit!=flail.oeseee.iese ono nmida's• WIKKientanexCee ISM Ill2-7$04 3504-022 Page 13 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002627 EFTA00157580 Page 123 A. It was a -- It was a Palm Beach Police 2 Departgent. plebe. Call. 3 O. Okay. And you didn't cell though: you relied 4 Mr. Epstein first, right? • A. Yeah. Because I was scared. 6 O. *hi' were you scared? 7 A. Because I thought it was of the incident that O happens previously. 9 0. Md what woe that Incident/ 10 A. You knew that Incident. 11 O. I'd like to hear you thiecrlis• It for no. 12 A. That incident is. I vent to the house and I 13 got ICC* 00,14y. 14 O. What nee of day did yea go to the house? 15 A. Night. 16 0. Was anybody hone? 17 A. IS Where did you get the money? IS Out of his brig. 20 Out of his? 21 22 O. Bag. Briefcase? beg? 23 A. Briefcase. 24 O. Briefcase? 25 A. Yes. (5410 012-7140 igrOSE Mgt SEPORIM hGbee. INC. eve-e•efeweesesehweesionanoss iseenereeeor hew Cetwdre n nrn inenatattetal kV. fl ans, Onlaanneenteetatie 041: 00-'57k 0. Vag. Ill Matt did you -- did you know that there was • noney In the briefcase? 3 A. Yea. O. NOW did you know that? Because I replenish that cars rimy tines 6 bar ore. Mow, how many riontha after you :ell Nr. Epateirie employment did this occur? 9 A. I don't hare -- I would says, three to COW 10 months. I would lust Ask a favor of you. ?he court 12 reporter needs to see your face so she can understend 13 what you're saying. She's looking -- you put year hand 14 in front of your south. that's all. 15 Now, when you worked for Mr. Ipatoln, did you 16 learn that he kept nohey In that briefcase? 17 A. Yes. 25 0. Md, sO, when you went to his house On that 19 occasion, did you het arouse that there mould he money 20 in the Drtafcase? 21 22 O. And -- and did you take noney oat of that 23 briefcase? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Now. is that the only time that you took abbey 0051 512-7502 PPG% COVIR 1[14:07N0G. AGENCY. INC. (5611 412-7506 Oneenennie•Intilinafteaninhennelent ••••••••Inteneettneslemenell-ttleislien nli•Cennenthannlinateilenteen•eallaine ealnPOtianninnel•nia Pape 135 1 2 A. NO. 3 O. -- of his DrIefOlsee5 4 A. it was twice. 5 O. When was the Other time? 6 A. COuple weeks before. 7 O. Whet tli•e Of day was that? A. At night. O. SAO hew such did you tabs out the first tie. , 10 A. It wee a total of E6.200. tt O. That'. for both times? I? A. Yeah. 0. CAM you break then debit? If A. : think one tine was 91,500. Another time wan 15 the rat. 16 O. Nov, you left in December of 2002 end then 17 there rwer• these two Incidents that you Just described: te 19 O. Did you Wan any content with Ni. Epstein In 20 between leaving his espleynosa and the first of the** 21 two instances? 22 A. None. 23 0. And as far 60 you knew. Old anybody See Sou 24 take the werey on either occasion? 25 (tall II:.7,00 hancc Chow? AgeArttua AGENCY, :RC. 15411 012-130t Y . its s......1en anew.. "•""•••'',1510=1=4..........• tow It G.,. ga.,"••••••••••• •• nelt0Orteenteren hies 136 O. And, so. when you saw the card firm the 2 police, you assumed It had to 00 with Vase two instances? 4 A. Ye.. sir. Q. Md there was AO Otter rennin why you thought 6 it had to do with Nr. Epstein? A. No. sir. 6 O. And when you Called MAN 010 you discuss thee* 9 two incidents with him? 10 A. When 1 Cell MI. -- II 0. You said you got the card -- 12 A. No. 13 O. -- and then you Celled hid/ 14 A. No, we did net discuss that money or nothing 15 Involved. 16 I ask his, what's going on, Jeffrey? What'. 1 it it NO. he soy*, John, It has nothing to do with 20 that money. 21 O. Did you weer read the incident report by the 22 police, the Pain beach Intik* Department? Did you ever 23 reed it? 24 so. 25 vs. CRITION: Regarding whet' happening? I got this and I thought that this was all (541: 432. CCOPT PfPGIrTIOG Pf.EI.e , , In 1. 1 012-7s0A el." . "*" ... " ......T"ntrenetalleninaelnne On • •• un••• taiselanntedt OinenninClinntOnnt 3504-022 Page 14 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002628 EFTA00157581 Page 137 Y.R. BERGER: Regar0ing them. Incidents. 2 BY I . BERGER: 3 You never reed It? 4 O. Let me head you this. MR. COMPS: Is there an aaaaa copy? 1 I . BERGER: Yeah. BY MR. BERGER: %hat I'm showing you. have you ever peen this 10 before? Il KR. BERGER: Let's have this narked ea Kahlbit 1) 3. 14 MM. COITION: Gen I keep this? IS 'Exhibit member 3 was masted for 16 Identification porno...) Il BY ME. BMA: 14 Q. It appears to be about 20 pages and It 10s. LP Palm Beach Police Department Incident Report. on the top 20 page. 21 Turn to the third page. 22 And you see where It starts the narrative, the 2) paragraph? 00 you see where that starts? 24 2t end It says: ?On Sunday, October 5. .01 at 041. 532.11,0 flf3fn 00.1k, sr:PORI:a: ArlEACy. INC. ilea 012-750S -Tare lease aenailie elerseeteesreilmeelommtntrar ........„.. c..„. 0.....prsarersiees oniarceeteranestamo Page 1)0 approxlmtely 1.24 hour., / was dlepatched to a burglary 2 at 354 El Orilla Way. - 9 Do you see that? 4 A. Yeah. • Q. Now, October 5, 2003, do you recall that that • was about when the tine yea took the money tr0n • 14r. EpOtein'S briefcase was? • A. Yee. I don't retell. Bat It they say It. 9 have to agree with It. 10 Q. Kell. you left In OeCeeber of 2002. And 11 before 1 shoved you this daciarent, you said that those 12 Incidents occurred about three or four months later. So 13 apparently they occurred more than three or four Meth* 14 later: 10 that Correct? If A. Apparently. Yap. 16 0. Keil. now otter -- after looking at this. sir, 17 do you actually recall that It occurred move than three 10 or four months later? le After looking at this? 20 Yeah. 21 It could be. 22 But de you actually remember It being more 23 than three or tour menthe? 24 A. I don't remeriber It It wars mere than three 25 +oaths. O61i 4)2-2500 MOSE 000.0 ACKI0X1145 MGM,. Inc. amaisompanrieesemanomemsseare reeleeereeNaleetr ietdralele relate... Terevfeemes irate On* aelien. enacwasannetenii 1561) 112.506 Page 139 Okay. Okay. NOW. If you look further down. you'll see It says. quote. Epstein further edslawd • black Clock handgun was taken Iron the boot shelf located behind the desk. unqUote. 00 yw see that? A. Yen. Q. Did you take a black Glatt handgun iron him? Absolutely not. 9 Q. De you know if anybody did? 10 No, sir. 11 is this the first tine that yew aver heard 12 that Kr. Epstein nay here told the police .- 19 A. No. ibis question I was asked by the police. )4 O. Okay. Nem. you ace the neat sentence? ft 35 says: 'Epstein advised he evapeCfed cash had been tab, 16 frOmitIe. briefcase on OW other OCC0020mts Mlle he 05' 27 in teem for the weekend. The first was over the Labor 14 Day weekend, August 30 t0 September 1. The second tine IS wee a weekend in mid-September 200).' 20 Oa you see -- Zi 22 0. -- the mention or those two Incidents? 2) A. 24 0. Yee? 25 A. (56.0 002-2500 bunt Cooks aLIVerlyie. nowici. Inc. 061) 112-1506 e.e.ere.ovrmseeeteenaeeolasalsa el''''' .. " . " ... "'' " "Tlatrereasarese.ege sobera pear "'"" O.e.erternateter.rease. Page 140 You've got to soy Yes or to . Yes. sir. New, loot up at the top of that paragraph. You see where it says: 'After' -- It's about the fourth sentence --'Epstein advised that on Saturday evening, October 4. 200), he left his briefcase at his desk and vent t0 bed at approximately 12:30 a.a. Epstein said • when he left hie briefcase, It contained approximately 9 35.000 O.S. currency.' 10 11 Pa you see that? 12 A. Yes. I) Q. And then it goes further on, it says -- after 14 a sentence or two. It says. 'Epstein stated at 15 appromimately ?:IS hours on Sunday. October 5, 2003, 16 while sitting at his desk. he noticed the briefcase her I? been Opened and SO.a of the Cash was nigelng. Epoteln 18 believed approxinately $2,500 was taken free the 19 briefcase.' 20 Do you see that? 21 A. Yes. 22 0. NOW. wises you reed this whole Paragraph bare. 23 do you agree that Kr. rp aaaaa is and •••taling that 24 the police took this down accurately -- that N . Epstein 25 Is describing three separate Instances -- .5611 132-1500 rho SE Min ii[r0,700 AGENCY. 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Or 25 October 5, 2003) ettli MCA ater achiteciot Adnat . nC. 754i1 0)2.3.706 ''''""* ...."..".":""•- ....",;1 .--"="t"nr"tr."... a."......0.. ROn P awn., adiaramemeasemew 2 3 Page 142 A. Right Mn. O. Right in the middle, it sayer -Epstein stated 4 A. No. I don't agree with this. 1 never :my 5 this. 6 I's not asking -- that's not whet On **king. What saying, sir, do you mm though thee the police report refers to three instance.; to that 9 correct) 10 A. 11 O. Obey. But it's correct that the police report 12 refers to three instances. correct? 13 M. ERITTON: Porn. 14 BY M. BEADICR: IS TIM polite talk about three instinges, right? 16 A. That's Correct. M. CRITTON: Porn. 19 BY M. BERGER: If 0. Now, how many times did yow tate Ca:sh fres 20 Kr. Epstein? 21 A. Twice. 22 0. So do you have any idea whet he's talking 23 about here? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Wow, the first time that you took cash. way it 15610 1)7-7)00 Pa Mei ICROCCOIC AGENCY. 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INC. _es lwanaesm """*" ." 1"11¢C.4.7te...........,.... WeacwOheeteeneraseed .5611 0)2-7106 Pogo 144 Yea. After -- after this incident. 0. NM what did that disagreement have to do 3 with? Did it have to do with these Incidents? Of course. I screw it up. Otay. And do you know who Nr. Aden I:ottoman 6 10 Il 12 13 lt 15 16 17 le 19 20 21 22 2) 24 25 A. Yea. Who is he? ms's en, Immet. 0. And did dr. Epstein pay for Nr. I:ottoman:e legal services for you A. No. I pay on sty own pocket. O. Now, let ire ask you sone question, about son* property in Palm Beach County. Mx. /Cent. (5411 Ott-7500 ex?rt «edi AZPOP7INC AGENCY. 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NO contribute the -- he contribute the $20.000 towers., the purchase of the fl rat property. 10 11 I> 0. 01d he contribute Any other noney towards any 11 of the other prop IS 16 11 Is IR 20 21 22 23 24 2. 11411 012-1.00 >Kat COURT AZTORTIW: AC.D•CT. :TC. ••••••••••••••••••••.7nnO•IIMOSINe r se weer'...Vr ' 061) 172-7506 3504-022 Page 17 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002631 EFTA00157584 Page 149 1 Okay. 2 M. DIMCilt: Hark this ae Exhiblt 4. pleas.. 3 (Exhibit nutter 4 waa marked for 4 identification purposes.) 5 BY is. BERGER: 6 Q. Leek at Exhiblt I, sir. It's two pages. And 1 it's from Stolid. Department or State, DIvialon of e Corporations? 9 A. Yeah. 10 Q. And would you twin to the next page, the 11 second page? 12 On the anion.] page, do you see your signature 13 and your wife's? 14 A. Yes. IS Q. And 00 you recognize this as an application 16 for registration of a fictitious name? 17 A. Yeti. 14 O. Md is that --did you and your wife apply for 19 registration of a fictitious nine, 20 A. Right. This w00 done by Our lawyer. 21 retternan. 22 O. MO was that done in Loot In 23 the upper right. 24 25 O. Is that correct? 11411 622-7500 IWOUE COMM eiri(lniw) wait. MC. 1561) 4)2-1506 Yms eleaswesewewswewwwwwmase •••••••••••n• Mlinalieweaseeneerm ern., renerees•same•wlwra Page 150 A. 2 0. yes? A. Yes. 4 And the fictitious name was 5 Correct? 6 A. Mat's COrreCt. 1 O. Md did Jeffrey Epstein have anything whatsoever to do with the registration of this 9 fictitious flake? 10 A. Absolutely nothing. 11 MR. BERGER: Hark this es the next Enhiblt. 12 (Exhibit weber 3 wee marked for i) identification purp0008.) 14 M. NIL-.2T9: Spell the are of that la,' 15 M. PIERStR: It's 16 11 M. NELLIIS: Thank you. 1$ BY M. DERCER: 19 Q. Rs newt Exhibit, sir, has pipers grow 20 Departsent of State. Division of Corporations. Co ye, 21 see It makes reference to ' lip at 22 the top. 23 It says: •Olt.111 by OffSCOr/regiSt•red agent 24 mow.' Md then erne( that It says. • 23 ($41, 1)2-7,00 thett pots? reenerne AWENC7. ()tit al]-2526 reswwwwernmenweennawares nw•w*••••••••••••••••`113iMernlwrewner inns ce.i• unr ••••••••••••••• nesturisinnmamta rage 151 1 A. Were is that. sir? just point it. 2 O. Then it says, is that right? 4 A. Yes, sir. 5 Q. Then do you nee the next couple pages Includes 6 a letter free Man Fetterman Co the Departeent of State? • 00 you see that? e A. Yes, sir. 9 O. And then the next -- the next page is an 10 articles -- articles of organization for- 11 Co you see that? 12 A. Yes, sir. 13 0. Md then on the very last page. Is that your 14 eIgnstere? 15 A. Yee, sir. 1G O. Okay. le that your application to organise 17 le 19 A. Tes. i lest sign It. This vas dome by the 20 21 O. Did Jaffrey Ep have anything to do with 22 tee creation of this comiatiy? 23 A. Absolutely nothing. 24 O. Did Jeffrey Epstein pay for Mr. ttermages 25 services Of 40 this? 1561' et2-1500 MOE COURT 121CNTIMO ACFNCM NC. (5611 522-7106 eweeweiewawewsisnwrianinnearti a••••"""m*.s"""1.10tILIMIEMPeerenenegmag..egutn.Jea"•••••• pc vans. era« east Page 152 A. Absolutely no. 2 O. Now, this Illmmears to have been incorporated in August et 200). 4 Co you recall that? Does that sound correct) A. Yeah. Q. Md between DeConbar Of 2002, when you loft 7 Mr. Epotelei's enplOynant. and August of 2003. e did you speak to 9 Jett." Epstein? 10 A. Never spoke again. 1m O. Or with anybody on his behalf, such as his 12 staff or an investigator for hie? Anylardy/ 13 A. Nothing. le O. Okay. Old you go to his her* between January 15 and Aueve[ of 2003? 16 A. No. Except Hite, the two incidents that it 17 ha0Perle0. 18 Q. But those -- and these happened later, after 19 August of 2003. Correct? These happened nP 20 A. Yeah. t navet went to the home for any reason 21 to talk to hie or to anybody. 22 O. Okay. So in Se0teroer and October when you 23 went to Nt. Epstein's house -- 24 A. Yeah. 25 0. -- uninvited. -- '5611 9)2-)550 rases COW/ arreatieM AGENCY. INC. (file 612.'504 eweweeneeownewnweeesnannews awwwww. •••••••••••••” •••••• aJn=2:::L • munwinea twit ewes. Oisewetwowment Sew 3504-022 Page I 8 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002632 EFTA00157585 1 A. On-huh. 2 Page 1 O. -- you Just assume that he would have money in hie briefcase? 4 A. 1 assume. O. You hadn't talked to him in Alm/ nOnthsi la • that your testimony? that's ny testier:Cy. 8 0. And you said that you needed that seney because of 4 vegan ha you were fused up with? O A. That's CetreCt. 11 12 11 14 IS 1. 17 IR 19 20 21 22 O. And then you said during the Questioning Of One or two of the attorneys that you entered into it 24 separation agreement with Mt. Epstein that included a 25 contident lllll y agreement and a release. Do you 15411 S32-/100 MIME COAT SEPORTIKG AGENCY, BC tfati 032-71St emreelme”Iiimeelitalmeomimearleeellelli IhernaelerePeeMeeentedtgairdMIMedtesietetaillt0•••011 OIlinreall•OPeataa• Page Ba renaaaer saying that , A. Yeah. MR. CRITICS: rota. DY BR. BERGER: And those were Signed by you? And We. Epstein. And was that signed after the October incident? We. This was signed in January 2003. 10 When you left? 11 Right after 1 heft. 12 13 Right alit, : left, it was done through the 14 office in MOW York. Mr. Epottein never spoke to on IS again. St was done through the lawyers in Mew Toil. 16 they mends the paper vi. red Km. they send us a 11 check. That was the end of it. That happened in it January. January 1003. 19 Co you have a copy of those doCuments? 20 A. Hot In here. 21 0. Do you have then at Mee? 22 A. Yes, t do. 21 0. And let ne lust make cure I know whet the 24 documents are. 29 Threte. n a Separate on agreement: (541: 532-3/20 VPD:E. COI*: am/CAI:in: ACCACY. 14C. lemeweelmetetretletneetnalletetheeee• IftemeeelleVele ........Pr erdr eee Truett nee,. Its. fa • sitor.... onueffic•wroaromanco Chi) 132.7506 Page ISS 1 A. Just a separation agreement. 2 0. And that includes a confidentiality prevision/ A. It was a -- there's a provision inside. 4 0. And It also inCludes in it a ******* Or IS the 5 relabel. separate? 6 A. 1 don't knew. Lawyer terse. l'n not tannin • with that. • 0. Did you nave a lawyer represent Neu in 9 COnnection with that? 10 A. No. 1 never need It. 11 0. And you said Mr. Epstein pall you 150,000 to 12 you and 520.000 to your wife? 1) A. Thet'S correct. 14 O. And haw was that paid to you? 15 A. Cash -- I Mean. check. It was • check but it 16 wOo take, -- tames were taken out. So at woe nines Id tare.. It Was It one check for each of you? It Yea. 20 MA. CRITTOM: Can we take a five-n1nute break? 21 5*. RACER: Side. 22 MA. cairnaoh Do you want to finish one line 23 of ciumationIno? 24 ie . BERGER. Os, go ahead. Co ahead. 25 VIDTOGRAPRTA . Off the record At 2:15. 15411 8)2-15x1 F0031 COlar REBATING ACINCT, arememofsaesimem-hneemeenammiase ememmaismemesce.r.....icedineente rd4Careetvertnettentite gees. eteele:01. tttetlett DOW Cee .5411 $32-7506 Page 156 1 It rial recosal 2 VIDECCAAPAIR: We're back on the record at 2:21. 4 BY KR. BEAGLE: Q. Mow say Lives Klee you talked with 6 Investigators of Mr. Rpstein/ 1 On. tine. And that's the one tins that you've month/fled 9 already? 10 A. Yes. 11 O. Aral have you net -- talked to Mc. Critton 13 helots today? 13 A. Oh, wait • Minute. Sorry. I haw to Ori beck 14 on that. Twice. One tine when the Criminal Case If started when they, like, find the card and Jeffrey say., 14 1 cannot talk to you. sonebody will call you. I talked I/ the eeeeeee gator that I told you. 18 And the second time was. I guess,. If don't know who was it, but they send -- they and in 20 the -- !don't. know If lawn fan invest %gator or they 21 Just Pie* a your notice that L was Pelee to be 22 subpoena. 23 ER. TRITION: I think that case from 34 Mr. Vliiite' Office. 25 NA WILLITS: Jack Rill's office. 1561: .cd ,,:._C MOT REPORTING .VEST. INC. laLl ) ii in. in; i immeesermeehme.."-•+....infirelas DOMmendideNeeemee., ....hmicaneeieeli .41.80.1.0...0. ,Oet emeedleemmedelehweftetemel wOhMK4WAMVOTetteldt 3504-022 Page 19 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002633 EFTA00157586 Page 151 MA. CRIBION: That wasn't an investigator. It 2 we, a subpoena served) 3 BIM WITNESS: Yeah. BY M. BERVIZR: 5 Q. Proems seven. Process server. 6 New, this Is Mr. Robert Celtton. Nave you 7 talked to has before today? A. Yes, sir. 9 0. Mow many tines have you tailed to Mr. Ctlttord 10 A. WICO In my house. MI w• talk about ten ll minutes yesterday? Monday? Monday? 12 0. Yesterday? 1) A. Yesterday. 14 O. Okay. And whet did you discuss? 15 A. Discuss the Mae questions that you telling 16 me. Md he told ne basically. say the truth. Tell the I? troth, nothing but the truth. Md be fin, and be -- IS spook your RIM and don't be 19 thought that this incident about way life 20 never would have come out. 1 wish It would have never 21 come at. nut 1 quesa it cone out and id'. too lore. 22 0. Wall, you tom what this case Is about. don't 2) you? 24 A. Of course. I think It's a Case egalisM 25 Mr. Epatoln. But it's net a case against me. is it? 1561, 912-7500 MOSE COURT REPIRTION MERCY. MC. ommisamommaremmisianmaess Meemeeswawmemeshnts:. 0.... rlatISIIIOMMII 0.01.100W.M.C.I.eaSO (5611 $12-1506 Page 156 1 2 A. • O. AM you lode it's -- 4 (Brief interruption.) 5 BY MA. litRCOR: 6 O. MO you know It's • serious Case for the • people that ere bringing It? TWA COAT: Pore. 9 h6 INTS[3:: Absolutely. 10 BY DIR. URGER: 11 O. So you had this Conversation with Mr. Crltton 12 yesterday? 1) A. Mot about the seriousness, no. 14 Q. NO. No. But the conversation that you had 11 with Mr. Crittit MS yesterday, Correct? 16 A. Yes. Told his he -- he told we basically he 17 was going to be here, that a bunch ci lawyers were going le to ask no 000sti006 end that 1 should be truthful and If nothing else. basically. 20 0. Nell, what etas did he say? 21 A. What else did Mr. Britten says? Nothing. Ii. 22 eked n• about Sly health. 2) Me 'mkt, — how 1 felt. 24 And 1 says, well. 1 vast tO get this dome. 1 25 went to get it over, done, and go on with sy Ille for 1161s 0)2-7100 MOM COURT REICOTING AGDO7. INC. mwomeemmeremwrmwmmssanammie rt• ammo edummossecnmeme IttlI 112'1104 Page 159 the rest of my life. I want to finish with this. 2 don't went nothing to de with Jet fray Bp/dein or this Case, once and for all. 4 0. Old you talk to him about the confidentiality 5 MretiOnt that you Mat toned? 6 A. 7 O. Or the separation agreements A. Mo. 9 O. Or the arrest? 10 A. NO. 11 O. Or the :30,000 that you. were paid? 12 1) O. Did he tell you that this case that kms.. here 14 about - 15 A. 330,000 where/ that 3)0,0007 16 0. TOY said you ware paid 330,000 and yowl ware 17 was Intel :20,00O. IS Yea. Yoe. The separation ogreenent. NO. 19 20 0. You didn't talk about that? 21 22 O. Old he tell you there wets stung women suing 2) Mr. Epstein? Old he tell you that yesterday? 24 A. Ne. He mentioned to ma :het it was • lot of 21 lawsuit. against Mr. Epstein, crIninal drA civil sults. orii 912- ":" nest C007 arrOaTIM hamaCk. NW. osommrwm.meedommemnessee "*"."..".".....-4.'— /IIIreCriel ledemotre acme:0mm! 4rvaranattnicicAila OM) 112-'506 Page 160 1 And -- not yesterday, but whet he was In my home with 2 his secretary. O. NO% yesterday? A. Not yesterday. 0. when ass he was et your house with the 6 secretary? A. About two Maths age, a month and a half ago. • 0. TM can't look to hi. to &Muer. You've Mt 9 t0 10 A. 1 cannot remember MeCtly the date. but 11 would say it was about a month age. 12 O. Maybe f aisunderstood. Mas Mr. CrItton at IJ your house yesterday? 14 No. No called se yesterday. is No celled you yesterday? Id A. Yea, Mr. 17 Q. And you tal tad for about tan minutes yesterday IS on the phone? 19 A. No more. 20 0. 01d you tell me everything that you and 21 Mr. CrIttOn talked about yesterday? 22 A. Yes. 2) O. Now. he wished your house -- 24 A. Yea. 25 O. -- • month and a half or two months ago 061( $12.7100 PRO= COURT INPORTIM ACKACY, car maemamireesseammatemrimmi •••••••••••••ase. tc:, es:-nor. 3504-022 Page 20 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002634 EFTA00157587 Absolutely. -- with hit secretary? Yes. 4 Mid did she take notes? 5 Yea. she did. 6 Pardon me/ she did. 0. Shp took notes. Just by pen and paper? Pen and paper. 10 Not • ...hind like the court reporter? 11 12 Q. Were you taped? Did sormbody tap. record you: 13 14 D. Did he show you the notes that nut took down? IS 36 typed up and show yew the transcript? 37 II 0. NO? Now, how long was Mr. CrittOn at your 19 house then? 20 A. Tar about half an hour. 21 0. And Old you thew that he wee coming? Did he 22 call ahead of tint/ 75 yeah. 24 had. to, what did you *apart was going to 25 Page :61 hannen: 04:i i570 Mint COVIT areCO11110 ASCM:Y. :NC. 0611 112-1506 er ieaInlwanansta tw" . '"""""'`"'""Intiirtr.r....• gr. konstnisna aniniennemenmr rage 162 Me was going to Care In end elk questions 2 about fht0 C000. O. So that did he say? A. Sue questions that you guys are asking tn. 5 exactly the sane gist Ions. 6 0. Nothing mere? A. 8401Cally what you saw, what pfu did, what 8 your 300 description was, wiNst you did. his you start 9 your day, has we your day And how was -- Mat nee you 10 Started. what tare you finish and what you did, and what 11 was your rtsponsibilities. And that wee It. 12 0. Okay. And were you paid anything for that/ 1) A. Absolutely not. The only minty that I got, it 14 was free you for this S47 check for coming in Mn. IS O. Okay. 16 A. And 1 will take no money Iron nobody. I7 0. Okay. Vera there -- ware there any other It tines that you talked to either Mr. CrItton or anst0dy 19 from his office? 20 21 0. you described every tine that you've ever 22 talked to either Mr. CrIttOn or people from his *Ma? 2) A. No, sir. 24 O. You've described all those times that you've 25 talked to Mr. CrItton or people fron hi s office? I'm ISLII 512-7500 55001 Coon txtterIir. ACD.CY, 0•11 0,2-5500 Page 141 1 not asking the question clearly. 2 Ind you talk to Mr. Craton any other list/ 3 No. 1 talked to Mr. Critter. twice, once In ny house, ono. yesterday. O. Now, hew about Mr. Jock Goldberger, 6 Mr. Epstein's crtolnal defence attorney. did you over 7 talk to hist 8 A. 9 0. Did you ever talk to Alan Dershovits about any 10 Of these hatters? Me, sir. 12 O. Or Roy Slack? 13 A. Me, sir. 14 0. Now. l'n lei* going back Over Dome different IS things that you sent lead. 16 You laid that there we a POIndex that you 11 created of mints or women? le A. Not It was a nave lust woman. It was 19 companies, air condition COMpenlee. It W44 cleaning 20 corpanlee. It was suppliers. And It was It was • 21 aoltdex that i telt It there. 22 Old you have • list of girls on your /*laden? 21 MR. COITION: Pone. IS THE WITNESS: No. Me had a Inn of girls In 25 • -- In a -- In a sheet with plastic thst we hove 15611 811011.: 1008E coot DEPORTIMC ASMaCt. !MC. il•••••••••• ••••. , •••••••SAISSII ilbeireareWegiyi,....,••••••••• 104 .0.44•46.4 ion e. Oast 15611 8)2-1506 Peg* 164 all the message therapists. It vas too pales or 2 three pages el people in a plastic sheet that we had It where - Dy the telephotos. 'that was It. 4 eV NR. DERMA: 5 O. Mate the name!? 6 A. glans and phones. Q. Telephone neonatal. 8 9 Whet About addresses? 10 No, no addressee. 11 What about dates? 12 A. Wo. sir. I) 0. And who prepared the hot? 14 A. Either Mo. Maxwell -- It. Maxwell. 15 O. Was it typed? 16 A. Yeah. They welt typos. 17 O. Mo. Typo. 18 A. yeah. 19 O. Who typed It? 20 A. I don't know who type It. but It cane from Nea 21 York. 22 0. the list? 23 A. Yeah. 24 0. Did you -- did you give the information that 25 went into the list? (1011 102-7500 PhOMI COW* Kin:melt* ACEMIY. 0.. .......•••••••••••••••••••.••••••PONIS .1.•••••••••••••••.••••••••••SISIIPP•••••• •0a< tapnr..v... 00•064**intmOsen Oni 032-1)04 3504-022 Page 21 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002635 EFTA00157588 Page 165 1 2 O. where wee the Ilet kept? In any Plate,. It at. In Mr*. Maxwell's 4 desk. It was one in the kitchen, one in my *lace, one In my coon because aneana IWat in sty rare and I have to cell these people. It was one in the new hews when 7 they build the new house. It w0 all over. NM It win 0 also those -- those tiles for the house -- the house 9 running operation. 10 0. Vas It the ease Bet that was In ell thaw. placea7 12 A. Basically, yes. .3 CO. Vas the list updated? 14 Yes. 15 Did you keep a copy of the list? 16 A. Mo. I don't have a copy of the list. 17 0. when you left Mr. EpsteirOs employment. you 10 didn't take a copy with you? 19 A. Not at all. 20 O. And when you worked for Mr. Epstein, you 21 didn't write notes about what you did and what yOu eau? 22 2) O. 007 24 A. Ito. I had too such to do. 25 You cildn•t put anything in a oorchter about 041) 412-7500 rain COSPI Rrfleerrfln ACCMCY. :NC. mwerwiarremastaNewnwarntaase oessome w won aware ouresoruflawo 061. Int -,544 POO, 166 whet you saw at the house? 2 A. Ito. sir. O. Dld you ever talk to your ate about whet you ass at the house? A. la ke what? Sew about what? 6 0. About the ditellos. About the message.. Did you ever talk to your wife about that? 4 A. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons that : never send my K1(0 after -- this hap -- those dtldos end 10 things like that happened right at the end of wry stay 11 thene. It never happened before. Right at the lea 12 couple banns before I left. And that -- 13 O. and that's when young gtrL - It IS. CRIlION: Let hit finish his answer. IS Tat INIMESS: Amity ray' worry about wee 16 that sty wife will panic. And 1 newer send her up there to clean up the rooms or anything else. 19 BY MR. BERGER: le 0. Is that when young One Stetted Ceiling to the 20 bean? 2/ MR. CRITICS: FOOD. 22 TIM ININCSS: One girl that I can think of. 22 BY MA. BERGER: 24 O. Just oho? 21 A. One gsrl. That Niel that she show a the 4141) Cl:- tl:C 'soot coo raCetia NOMMC7. cane an'e sissaiurosabammea int: a)1-'506 picture 2 - I Page 16? That's the only one that t can think she was 4 young, but I don't know how old. Q. Do you still have the transcript Iron -- icon 6 the police in front of you, iron the Mate Attorney's 1 01f1e0 It'. below that. it's at the bottom. Kamp 9 10 You see? Torn to page 9. II Page 9. Nom, look at we. It says. page 10. 12 but It also says page 9. I9 3o you got page 9? 14 Page 9 and page 10. 15 O. Okay. 16 A. e.. *key. Pam 9. Okay. 17 0. t want you to see page 9. Id MR. CRITIOS. Yu want the tranecript page 97 19 Mk. IWERGOR: Yeah. 20 In MR. BERGER: 21 0. Let me lest make sure you' r• on the right 22 page. Yeah. IY Look at line I). 24 It says. answer. 740. sit. Neatly no. Me 25 saw Oa or w0 youn0 ones In the last Year.' Oa: 407-7500 moor COOS? iniflerta aura% MC. ••••••••••••••••••••••nswriansame riemnasserman......uninaae nuerraw .....sreweerrs P tarn boxaflinthborobs .561) 02-7306 Page lte CC you see tl.at? 2 IS. CRITTON: Form. It's taken out of contest. There's no question. 4 BY M. BERGER: 5 0. DO you sag thine words? 6 A. 01d they sees -- did they seem young to No. sir. fleetly were no. Me saw two young ones in the 0 lest year. 9 O. well. It eetually says, *we saw one or two 10 young Omni In the lest year.' 11 A. we am one or two young ones in the last 12 year. Retor• that they wore all a0ults.° 13 0. The One Or two young Ones In the lest year 14 test you're referring to. who are they? IS A. One waoll end the another one was: 16 0. Don•t on that. Stay? Conn write on 17 that with your deo- 10 Loot at paragraph -- look et Ina 19. 19 20 Q. It says. quote, : zerreber one girl wa• young. 21 unquote. 22 Do you see that? 2) Yeah. 24 IS. CRIT704: torn. 25 0? NA. PEPCSR: Inn 412-n00 senor Odin AcrOOTIRC ACEar, la. rusw....sr• pa • mass ivenalimrnwsr.X.. I .541) 0)2.'5[14 3504-022 Page 22 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002636 EFTA00157589 Page ItO 1 Who were you referring to? 2 ■ And then you see undOr that at lir* 22. It 4 says, quote. but t imagine she wee 16. 17. In my 5 Judgment She wee 16, 17. unquote. 6 Do you ass that? 7 MR. CRIESON: Motu. 0 tilt WITNESS: Yeah. 9 BY MR. BERGER: 10 Mere you referring toll? MN. EltIllfg: torn. 12 7HE WITNESS: I think so, yeah. It Oh. can 1 road this again? 14 BY MR. SERGE*: 15 O. Sum, 90 ahead. Tate your tine. 16 A. • Euring the last year while you wet* working I? for him, what do you mean. they look young? Did they IS look like they were still in high school? Yes. And the 19 only one that 1 knew vas in high school was. 20 tememb*t one girl was young he Maw 21 she was. 1 never •skr.d.luate old she was. 1 think ail 22 was In the lost year of high school. 23 Right. Understand. 24 0.1eatich. 25 But I Imagine she woe 16. 12 I don't know. rata: 41:-//00 pane* Clue? Ran /ATOM ACKNCY, INC. 04:1 0/1-IIC4 Page 170 1 In any Judgment she wee 16, 17.. 2 f wee toning about, I was OOOOOOO ng about N. al that time. O. se at lint. 22. look at lino 22. 5 A. Yee. elf. *Aye. Peet* Out I inegine the ..es 16. 17. O You were referring to who? 9 A. tom 10 O. Okay. YOu can put that down. 11 You mentioned Jog Jo.. You said Joe Joe waa 12 the house man in New York/ 13 Y••. 1 Mat be Joe. 14 And do you know his full name? 15 A. Joe Joe work with has wife. they wet. 16 Puntanella iptoneticsl. rentanolla. ..104, Joe and Lynn 12 was his wife. Muntenia)... IS O. When I. the last time you talked to them? 19 A. Vow. Never talked to them again in over ten O years. O. Now. you arentithed in response to Ma. troll's 2 doettiOns. y.)../ sold sOmethIng aboutIlis father. De you 2) repeater talking about that? S Q. Now do you know that person yam her fathom( 1141) 532-7100 PSOSC COUNT RESORTING Pant MC. oesesuareeNellartaafeememaiseminenel lesedes•••••••••••Iensino.nalealen ral• Nuiliweediume 1 rein In., 1* USW ealuectuusinimolom• 061; 632.1106 Page 171 1 A. Because either she told re or He. MuftwIl told 2 3 And she -- I think he Is the one who bring her to the 4 house that afternoon. 5 6 Q. Moo. you said you know -- you knew who Alan 7 Dershovits or you know who Alan oershowitr ie. right: A. Many tames. 9 0. And he vas at the house? 10 A. He's been at the hogs. a lot of thaw.. 11 O. Was he ever at the house when there were natal 12 Wean at the house? 13 14 O. 50? 11 A. They were never noted wOman et the house. sir. 14 1 reemed>er One OnfavIOn when one English 1/ girl -- I think she was English or Conan girl -- ten* le to the house. And Usually in Europe they .100 tOPlegg. 19 they don't ever anything. But she was taking the sun 20 outside and site home to the house with nothing on and 21 cr.... thorn rut. I Berl, net In this Mute. you don't 22 do It. you go outside, put the towel and cone In here. 23 because she cote to get ...lathing floe the kitchen 24 wearing nothing. M0 I did not allow that. 25 0. But when Alan DarOhcorltt was there, were there 601 gt2.-../ ...mat COURT IMOWEIN4 AGENCY. IsC. 50e'eawrww WIVIIKOUNPOI0CIOPO 0411 012-3104 rage 172 1 any women that were legless, 2 A. NO, not that I Can remember. 1 O. that about whoa Prince Andrew was there? 4 A. Not that 1 Con remoter. sir. • O. Old you ever see AlOn DeTehOwItz welting 6 •rourel naked? A. No, sir. O. mow about Prince Andrew? Na. A. sir. 10 Il 12 II 14 O. Let me 90 back for a minute to the 15 confidentiality provision In the separation agreenont. 16 Ord you -- did you discuss with anybody why 17 there had to be a confide* tttttt y provision? Old you IS talk to somebody about that? 19 A. No. No. I discuss It with Mr. Epstein when 20 to told no, he finally caw out and says. John -- 1 Wm* 21 they were OOing t0 try to replace us. And -- rind we got 22 vp0et beceuatt 1 was not ready to leave yet. But at the 23 fame time we were eMeCtind t0 be lett Out. And I left 24 there before they decide t0 let we go. 25 AM 1 went to -- 1 remember very clearly. 1 .141t Ie2 r:44. ralar. Cot*, nrIonallm: ACtet—t. INC. n ebnue/eoidOrimee sena. en SIT•••••• Heeseelorenelesel neInlatemi nOlk Or/ • et Iwo WIUM.ICEIIttnInFOrOu• 1141) 432-7506 3504-022 Page 23 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002637 EFTA00157590 Page 172 went to his office in the pool house and it was -- I telt to bin and says. John. -- I went with ease faxes that Cane to Ay Office end they wets people interviewing • • for my Job. So I feel oily pissed about it. 5 And I went t0 his Office end said. Jeffrey. what is this? And what le this? And what Is this? Me says, well. that's Ghleilidne. I'. not involved Into that. And I says, okay. We're going to leave, 10 Jeffrey. That's it. We're done. And what you going to It do for flea 12 And he says, well, whet you want? 13 And 1 says, give a at least • years ** 1 ** v. 14 And thatit, what it turn out to be, around 15 $50,000, Plus the van. 16 And he says, okay, John, wish you good luck. And the lest day f was there we shake hands and we left. IS but relationship with his. It was gad. It 19 was friendly. At the beginning of the -- sq job roe 20 very friendly. Then he Changed When Ms. Maxwell cone 21 in. 1 didn't lite to work for her. She was a bitch. 22 AM she make us life hell. And that's ay we left. Out 23 it owl not with Mr. Epstein. 24 Q. to you know why there was • confident I. •i It y 25 provision in your •goosent7 lap. 013-7500 nalt COURT ntrOATING PdaICY. :PC. /561t. 552-7504 meawasweinewmamarearasaa seenaearioeoe".••7•4=rt=foreesowerm •pica cora m'anww•• ••••• edo 174 A. NO. Itel'a lawyer sluff. I dent know. 2 MA. BERGEA: Okay. That's ell I have. CR06.9fAMINATICW AY MR. COITTON: 5 0. Mr. Alessi, my name Is BOO <fatten, a> you 6 Baia and I represent Mr. Epstein. 8 0. You've tan -- this Oep00itiOn Started et 9 10:00. It's almost -- It's closing in On 2:00 but for It about 45 lariat! Or an hour that we took for lunch. l'n tf going to try to be relatively brief to we can get you 12 out el here. fikey? Il A. okay. sir. 14 O. You've been asked gasttene by five different IS lawyer* who represent various Plaintiffs In this ease. 16 A. Yes, sea. 17 In age instances you've beer, asked the sea IS question multiple times? 19 A. Yid. sir. 20 O. The tesaneny -- you've also been asked a 21 number of questions abut your separation free 22 Mr. Epstein sonatina. at the end of Oiasdler Of '02 and 2) the entrance Or your entering Into e elipatatiOn 24 agreewant with him? 25 512.7103 ia00E COURT PEPOcala areal. lilt. meameaaa r....awrisimmee eauescamanimaie int: ill2-/a06 Page 125 Q. Correct? 2 A. Yes. Q. And abaequently there was an InCidant in 2002 4 that you•vo described in scam detail, based on the questions that have been asked. end you and its. Epstein 6 resting an ratable agreement: you repaid his the mass 7 that you had token and you petted? 8 A. Yes. • 0. Is that a fait statement? 10 A. And I will have to add something to that. 11 Ron we talk at the lunCheOnette, we have Coffee. he 12 aye. John, If you were at sly best emplOyee that I ever 13 have and that you would not take Cafe Of fly nether, I la would have put you sway. And that's the way he car Out 15 to me. 14 And I says. I like you and let's -- Just pay 17 so beck in one or two weeks. because I send the natty 18 back end it get lest. So he give me another --ant hid. 14 but ha lawyer says, you got another month to ay. Se 20 between I got the sonar -- the sorry order was lost in 21 the mail. So 1 send at beet. I pay everything, 56,110. 22 I think it was 6110. And that was It. 2) Q. And I'm moor interested, not so nich in the 25 detail', Mr. Alen'', but the Color. 10 t0 speak, the 25 lawyers 3eve put on this. is. is that as a result of '5611 822-7500 most COORY REPORTING AGENCY. INC. 12611 012-7504 •••••••••••••••••••••••••••mornIanalip mm ~ei enteanatiedeclai Page 176 your aparation from Mr. Epstein in late-2002 and the incident in 2001, that somehow y0 ha colored our testteony to help Mr. fisSain today. Rol my question to you Ito Nave you told us the truth today a to every question that's been asked and the questions that are going to be sake0 of you? 7 A. r0 every one of you. MR. WILLITS: Object I. the form of the 9 question. 10 DR IC. CRITTOW: ll O. And with regard to the agreenents that you 12 entered Into with Mr. Epstein. In particular the I) confidentiality agreement, you were asked a question bi ll Ms. Ezell whether you understood that you're not bound 15 by anfidentiality today. And you responded in the 16 •fflrmative, tight? you tag/rasa that you're to all 17 us -- to answer every question fully tO the best Of your le knowledge? 19 Absolutely. 20 O. Pal that you have dons today? 21 A. Yes. 22 0. Okay. 23 10.. IIILLITS: ObBlet to the fore Of the 24 quablOn. 27 BY MR. CRITTOM: (Rai 03-I5.14 rate Car anuartm. M2IEY. MO. One•SeireVeallen•••••=e4.41, 1•74.61=61 aatemeameaemawa•=taimi fiermoiNeemee'rele Co, I •eeen. GII.A.COIM.CW:WMOKSU 0.61$ 822-75.26 3504-022 Page 24 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002638 EFTA00157591 8 10 0. And, so, we -- you've done great. You've 11 prObobly done better then the lawyers today. but you'd 12 lite to get this over today are finished? Il A. I NT* 4^. 14 0. All right. There have been a IOC Of questions 15 about your 30bdeSCCIP410.1 end OinieS at Mr. Epstein's. 16 And If I understood It correctly, is basically, SACO you 17 became the full-time house manager. you were responsible 10 for all aspects of the °per:ND:n0f the VI Drill* 19 residence? 20 A. 1 was. DI PM. WILL170: 00)4Nt to toe torn Or tne 22 goNdliOn. 2) BY MR. CRITTCP: 24 0. And during the tine that you were responsible 25 for ell aspects of the Cl 811110 residence, that 5411 831.25po flu= tour eXIMITINC ACIART. INC. (561) 412-7506 amemonswoomesphos a sowawmn•namams nuemsall imertMORIMIPAIIIIka isawdecomemoigram twomecogoasimmesemem PbOe in • Included not only maintenance and repair, but 2 appropriate stalling. laundry. cleaning, shopping. 1 cooking, whatever -- whatever needed to be done at the 4 Ns? That's correct. MR. WILLITS: (elect to the Ions of the question. SY MR. CRITTOM: And during the tine that you were there as the 10 as the house manager Iron 1892 up until December of 2002, you did all those dofferent types of 12 responsibilities: is that a fair etatoment2 Yes. 14 KR. WILLITS: Cblect to the form of th. IS question. 16 ST MR. CRITTCAM I/ And at some point -- let no strike that. fe The Original 0061. so to speak, that you Cut 19 was with Mr. Epstein: that is. when you beCams the 20 full-tine house riknagOti Is !Not true? 21 A. That's true. 22 0. And cone point within -- what? o year or 23 so, I think Kra .. Ara .. 24 25 (561/ 5 /2.7500 PAOS1 MORI arPORTION ACRIOCY, INC. •••••••••••••••••••......MMOnall.M. essineser PPM% •••••••••••itest•PHPSONI rOmmasmoonwromoommes ohms 0.• Wiese WAWASSOCRe MIN ISAII 8)20546 Page 179 1 L444. 2 0. -- was no longer Mr. Epostmin", -- Dr. Eva Anderson was no longer Mr. Cpatosin's girlfriend, -- • A. That's correct. 5 0. -- and a nw girlfriend ease In and that was • Chi•laine Maxwell? A. /hat correct. 8 0. And when Ma. Maxwell can in, she, in essence, • took over as your immomdkale supervisor? 10 A. /hat'. correct. 0. During the tins that you worked for 12 Mr. Epstein. did you have • good, excellent. fair. whet 13 was -- how would you describe your relationship with 14 him? 15 A. Good, excellent or (air. 16 I will think .200d. I/ And did yew interact with him very much or 18 doer he interact with anybody very ouch? 19 A. Be doesn't Interact very mach. At the early 20 years. yes, he did Mme to the kitchen and we used to 21 sit dawn In the kitchen and he would discuss my kids, my 22 family, hie family, and he will talk to me. 21 At the end of my stay there, it was -- 24 was -- we were told not even to look at his face. Mot 25 even to -- this was done by -- this. was even done by, 04 -5. ,5:50 Pa0:4 CCVIN loterisr. KAMM INC. www-ws,o-RahlwolialiwwomMilaarniagen Pee..............441.•••••••••••401.fleeSieeN ddiPPPOIPPIAPISC444.01. 11411 81205:6 Page 180 1 they hire a Countess (COM Europe to write this book are 2 to write ideas Of how the house of royalty should be. And that's the way Ms. Mammal' wanted the hokum* to run, 4 es • royal house. And I woos pissed off at that are 1 5 never agreed with that and I never went with the book. 6 I threw the book away. And that was it. 7 MA. CA:TTCM: tat it rove as con responsive to my question. Move to strike. M. WILLITS: He shOUld allowed to finish what 10 he thinks Is responsive to your question, even if 11 you don't agree. 12 RY NR. C111411010 1) 0. Mere you finished. sir/ Yes, 1 finish. IS M. CR111620: See, he's (inosw-d 16 M. N1LLITS: Me wasn't, but okay. IT BY St. CAlITCM: 18 0. I'm trying to -- listen carefully to ny 19 question because l'n trying to get you out of Pare 20 sooner rather than 21 if I IIII4eflit001 your testimony Is. 15 22 you had -- you considered your relationship wits 23 Mr. Epstein to be good during those years) 24 25 Q. And would you describe your relationship with (561) 812-7700 PkOst COURT SSPOR/INGSAINCY, INC. 134i1 412-15:y •••••••••••••••••••••=erStleynanale. emenseriars•••• easa4vOSIPInsael Sak••••••••••••••••Sill. roe ltd.% Ira • •410Sal WairmamocretooMOSOra 3504-022 Page 25 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002639 EFTA00157592 raga 181 Ms. Maxwell as not being as 0000? A. Its. O. When -- you ware -- you had an OppOrtunIty • over lunch. Mr. Berger gave you a copy Of a Statement 5 that you gave to the State Attorney's Office on 6 Mohnalfla 21, 200$. we've wetted as eahibit. I think. • ExhIbit M. rAITTONI What did we mark it is. 2? Ter 1,1710$5: At whet page? 10 IS. WILLITS: Yeti. It was 2. 11 M. CRITTON: Thank you. 12 AY NA. CR1TTOM: 13 0. no, 3ust st•tanent, the weal,. st•wmant. 14 You had an opportunity to look at it over 15 lunch? 16 A. Yea. I/ Q. And that'. • at•tenent you gay• back on Is November 21st of 2005? 19 A. Uh-huh. 20 Q. IS that correct? 21 A. That's Correct. 22 O. And at that tine you wore there with 23 in. Murrell. who was your attorney. And you gave • statement and I think as well your wit* spoke with the 25 St•t• Attorney's Office? 061) 412-1100 Pnara 0:001 PRPOPriltd ArfloCY, 1MC. eeweeaeMMMY~ __ •-vatemane rig - 0411 632-750i Sege IS? A. That's correct. 2 O. And whatever questions the State Attorney asked of you at that time. T segues you fully answered; 4 Is that correct? 5 A. Absolutely. 6 O. Md then page 9 when Mr. Barger took you with • regard to the questions -- and before I get -- going to cone back to page 1 in a chute' gut if : understood your earlier testimony In 10 response to one of the lawyeis who asked you inflations, 11 la, thaw wee a Tauber of European women, ell who you 12 deesed to be 20-plus years old, !hat would travel with 13 Mr. ['whenn to various piece., and am well would cow to le the bowie free time to tine? 15 A. That 'a cox rect Id O. Md I think you testified In response to 17 Mr. Mager's queatioas today, is that the only female IS that you understood that Can to the house Outing the It time that you were the house asnager who you knee to to 20 under the age of 18 21 A. That's correct. 22 Md you knee she was under le beci.fle 23 24 A. That's correct. 23 0. And teat's • young <AEI who I think you (3611 • 12- I)cO PROW Cann' WPOInING ACINCY IMC mflanaseentimetememennee•tweiti inateewinsweekewmatiranemare n31•1/4 .0.0.0 t...1.401041 lb** knee nVM mauwwwwswewmar 0411 811-1506 Page IS? • A. 16, I?. And 1 think you said she never was involved in giving any ma/wages to Mt. Epstein? A. 1 don't think so, never. And the tine, teat you e.g her. Mr. Epstein • was 8 9 A. I think so. Yeah, that was the main purpose. 10 0. And on multiple occasion. when she would be over. she would be over there at Kr. Epstein's homeM 12 la that correct? 13 A. Yes, that's correct. 14 O. Md of the girls that can or the woven that 15 calla to give Minfleges to Mr. Epstein over the years you 16 were there, t think you've described on page 9 of your 17 deposition that you nay have seen a hundred or 200 IS different neseage therapists? 11 A. It could be les*. I don't think It's more 20 than 200, but it could be less than 200. yes. It was -- 21 lr waa IL ware or 12 years or 13 years or constant 22 People going in and out and people that were coning to 23 the house, he will bring foe another state, he will 24 bring in 1110 planes. People that it Came ttOre Curer, 25 message therapists, there were men and wen. They live 15611 4)2-75OO NOE COURT nEPOWINC AGENCY. 10.1. 0611 On."). IIISIMMItOONOOMISISSIONIINallSIO eassoweenosmatemmeweieninime, .1.10•INSION404 IC.C.Mankl ...........isseerm tonna...a Canatountrommenei Page 184 1 in Miami. we -- so it was so nany that I cannot remember 2 how many. 3 O. Okay. And I Understand that. I'm lust 4 referring back to your statement where It says at page 9. line 1, the geesition woe: "Yeah. Yeah. Not the 6 Sara girl. t *man. during 11 years l pzobably say a hundred. 200 different na•hige therapists." $ Co you see that? 10 Q. All right. And It I understood your testimony 11 is, the ones the -- that to. of the massage therapists. 12 as you've lust described, you saw some non? Men 14 Q. You sew more hound 15 A. More wrist 16 Q. AM all of the wonen. at least from your viewpoint. were 10, 19 or older? IS A. Yes. 19 M. CRITIOM, Why don't you change your taps 20 fight new. 21 TIOCCalteletelt: Orr the record at 2354. 22 (Brief removers.) 23 VIDECCAAOMER) Mere back on the record et 24 2:55. 25 BY IS, CRITIOM: 061) 812-1100 PROCR WNW RIPOrnin AGulh- t. INC. wavflawmflartenameanionainemes tmoweavereatmeineemiltglaarlininsbomemumaparampasommmiteseieweennainiamem chtnadohyrtnitttleht• tatll $11-1106 3504-022 Page 26 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002640 EFTA00157593 Page 185 1 Q. Mr. Alessi. In the 11 years that you worked 2 for Mr. Pastan, with regard to the menage 3 therapists -- and 1'r inking about all of them, women, 4 Awn, the ones that rem IS. 19, 20, of the ones that 5 were older -- did you ever see -- or, first of all, did 6 you ever hear any complaints about -- Iran the manna. • therapists about the manage they had given to • Mr. Epstein? 9 10 Q. Old you ever ne a manage therapist during 11 these 11 years that appeared to you to be distraught? 12 A. Never. 13 0. TO be in some torn or a shock? 14 A. Never. 15 O. TO be Stared? 16 A. I never eve anybody 'Cared. 12 O. Old you ever ne atone who 1OOA44 like they IS were upset or crying? If A. No. sir. 20 0. 1 thank you, In response to Mr. -- well, not 21 sure who one the question -- but they you were 22 asked whether you ever note to the individuals -- 23 21 O. -- when they cars down. And 1 think you and 25 from tine to tine you mlobt have some small talk with 11611 02-1500 rang CON' AnGairim5 Marl. :NC. 1561) 422-,506 OSIgedisele•••••••••TeasSOSJOISSO 50-.P weave .stasis ele.eVOWLMOMSNIMI rage ilk 1 them afterward? 2 A. Yeah. O. Did you taually See then if they Came down? 4 A. Yeah. • O. SO you Would hake had an Opportunity t. 6 Observe their appearance. Correct? • A. Theta Gennt. O 0. Have you nen people whoa loot <115tfe........ht• in 9 shOfk, nand, upset, angry In the pest -- not message 10 therapietel -- have you seen people In your nee 11 experience'? 12 A. Ob. yeah. Yes. 12 MR. MERNELATEIN: Object to the Torn. It DT M. CRITTOM: 15 0. So if -- all, let no ask it this way: In 16 your life experiences before you worked for Mr. Epstein, I] and, In Caul, during the tan you worked for IS Mr. Epstein, have you seen Individuals not associated 19 with Mr. Epstein who Appeared to be distraught, in 20 shoot, sued, upset, angry or 1nfeNi 21 22 MR. NEWEISTEIN: Object to fore. 2) DT MR. CRITTON: 24 O. Have you seen people who appeared to you in 25 have been traumatised by a particular event? 061) 012-7100 MME COURT REPORTING AGENCY. otc. ...et -it tat-. • t—eot--emettint..... • " "" " '" " ' "" ""1"7:O42.11=tten.... ince. taws auM et ...et ...en.. 0611 a12-7506 MR. I€RMEL$TEIN: Object to form. TEE WITNESS: Tee. 3 DY MR. CRITION: 4 O. Nave you even people who see. to De well. I 5 asses you've seen people who have yelled Or 'Craned as 6 • result or some event that had occurred in taut presence? 0 Yes. On the ransage therapists that you Saw at 10 Mr. Epstein'is house non 1992 up until the time you left 21 In December of /02, did you ever see any type or 12 reaction. distraught, shock. scared, upset, crying. II disheveled, Injured. disoriented, yelling or screaming 14 for help at any tine? IS 16 0. Once the menage -- once -- let use *trite IT that. IS If 1 understood your testimony. you helped set 19 up -- either you set up the rocs or you helped set up 20 the menage room? 21 A. 22 Q. Ara you might be the person Or It might be 23 someone else who would lead the massage thenplets or 24 the tonle up to the coon, the mete or the female up to 25 the town. 1541) [)2.1100 rh3:t Can PRPORT:aN St23Ct. INC. onnenoweetanesmnunanasn 'INQININATEMW/fn Co manna at ftaCiri...4 Mee a 11611 0J?-710t Page 155 A. Yes. sig. 2 O. Once that person was upstairs. you then would 3 Coin ban damn and as one your multiple duties downoteln? 5 A. Absolutely. 6 0. As to what occurred during the course of a sanaMmh do you have any personal knowledge during the 6 11 years you were then? 9 A. There was absolutely no way to know Or to lot ID Into CM fine. The windows were what they hove, ti-ose 11 automatic electric shutters. They were completely dark, 12 fOnpletely • hundred percent dark, the (Vona. And It 13 was -- nobody Now It. 1 Lome it when 1 was at the house 14 that I never saw anything win ring on "aide. IS O. So you have no personal knowledge what 16 occurred during any particular menage> 17 Nothing. le 0. And I think you said -- well, lot rm strike 19 that. 20 In other individual. whom you have done work 21 for at bag houses an palm beach, did those people from 22 time to tine have manages. too? 23 A. I never work In • house Inside es I did mark 21 for Mr. Epstein. 23 0. Routs an outside sksintenance work? Inli 0)2-ISO? :POSE 00:44 PIMPING AGENCY. INC. ilammtnemorenwhemensinsisse sass TteMle l61•n •05 aevw $4•Carmerfwers44 061) 6,2-/504 3504-022 Page 27 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002641 EFTA00157594 2 3 that. Peg. 169 I was the maintenance guy outside. All right. And if -- well, let a. atnke You're aware that there'. alt aorta of spaa. • The breakers? PGA7 Trump? 6 A. AbOOlutelY. • 0. The Ritz Carlton? The Pour Seasons? And $ probably a thousand other places la Palo Beach County? 9 ebb. V1LLIIS: Object to the form of the 10 questIon. 11 BY NI. COITTON: 12 Vali, let ye strike that. 11 Ara um: ewers that therm'. norm them ran 14 plated that sOmmicie Can get a naelage in Pain Reach 15 County? 16 A. Of COurse. I? 0. Are you aware that there's probably more than 16 a hundred places, saybe a thousand places In Palm Pooch Ig County true Boca Raton up through Jupiter and all the 20 way out west where people can get a therapeutic or a al tesseister 22 A. Yes. 2) 0. And I assume you more aware, that -- or are 24 you aware Of that during the tine period that you worked 25 for Cf. EpfteIn? 0611 8)2-7500 COOS? APPOWfirh AceriCr. INC. Rierwiteromeireamserrammeranerrene Maw ..n ammrarnmal mouraewmarcresemee 0617 012-7504 Page 190 1 A. Yes. 0. And I think you told us that you were aware that there were nstMege SChCele? 4 A. Yes. 5 0. And IS It your Ondertitendleg that generally 6 massages an given in • -- Ina room with a table where the lights are generally turned dorm? A. And music on. yeah. 9 0. All right. You were asked • question about 10 vibrators or I think that the word was sex toys. 11 If you'll turn to page 20 of your st•torent, 12 sir. 13 rf sou look at page it you juat glance at 14 line 9 -- IS A. Okay. 16 O. -- through limo 22. Lie a chance. If you'll 17 just leek at that. then I'll ask you a couple questions. 10 Road to yourself, p10460. Others:1Se, the 19 court reporter will have to take down everything you 20 say. 21 A. Yeah. 22 0. And at least the stetenent that you gave beck 2) in -- on NOverber Ilet of 2005, almast &boost four 24 years ago no., you describe that there ver• -- that you 25 •sw two [Kase of meaner, or vibrator.: is that 111.11 el2-7500 11.04C COuRT IMICATitIC OCINCS. memembarramarammomacameverema eammareramm gam. now...am Imams rbrornmoomernr•omer . Irma reva ear eausemearsarommose :5411 1112-7504 Page 191 Correct? 2 That•• correct. And la that your boot recollection. AM you ail 4 here today> A. That . * the best recollection. 6 0. And one of the vibrators, you said was. as you described earlier, looked like a 01100? Right. 10 O. KILLITS: Onyeet to the form of the 11 question. 12 BY IR. CRITTOSI 0. well, le t me ask you this: Nos the item that 14 you described, that's described at lines 12, II and le. IS and IS -- 12, IS and 14 on page 20. is that what you 16 described, is that what you were talking about es the dlldo? 1$ A. Yes. 19 0. And I muse you're familiar with chat a cliblo 20 15? 2: A. I know that it's One Of these -- 22 0. YOu don't have to describe it. Just are you 21 familiar with whet one is? 24 A. No, I don't. 1: n not really bmiller with 25 that type of instruments. But what did I wen it end IR 1141: 432- ):7 ' ;moss cast essconisr. Apricot, INC. Immwernewen moo. uovamenananalme ' —teettSCIPtIllik.. , .6 ,...... .luccrlott tttet•Cr Wel 1$611 0)2-7506 Page 192 I It true now. Is It true When I make this statement. It was a big rubber oan• -- I Penis? 4 A. -- looking penis, with double heed, two head,. 1 6 A. And I don't klICS. haw Is It even called. Rad I sorry. It's a little unpleasant. Q. That . . all right. The second Item that you described was a neck 10 and heck vibrator; is that Correct? 11 A. Yeah. They neve this vlbrotOrS, they have the 12 cordless and they hare these bells and they have it different types of these vibrator*, tog. 14 P. Like you man get then at Brook:atom or IS stmethIng like that? 16 A. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. sir. 11 0. So at least when you were at Kr. Isabela's. 16 and I think as you described in response to lawyer's 19 questions today, so during the last couple of mOritha 20 that you worked at Mr. Epstein's you sew these two 21 vibrators? 22 A. Yes. 2) 0. And On those. two occasions you'd take those 24 vibrators. If you went up to clean aftetwords, you'd put 25 on your gloves, pick then up with • to-el avM you'd 1561, $12-7500 Pio= COURT SEPON7INC Kent, INC. fle:••••••••••••••••••••••eadreeel•ISNMe ilim••••••••••••••••••••••••teleleerearel 0,1•Ce•••••Crimne•Phieene, . On • 51610Sel 01070C4M•Cra:KnOC• 1561: 012.1506 3504.022 Page 28 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002642 EFTA00157595 Pale 195 clean them off and you'd put 'Mum back In 2 Xis. Maxwell's A. Closet. -- closet in her bathroom) NA. MILLMA: Object to the form of the queptIOn. 7 VIE WITNESS: I put It beet In the Closet and 8 Inside the closet there was a laundry basket that 9 Is Mere she had those. 10 BY M. CRITTOth 11 Q. And as to whether or not sorm.one actually used 12 those itena or hot they were used. all you know Is you 13 found than -- 14 A. 1 flog It in the Oink. IS MA. BERGER: Objection. Mr. Britton is IG Metifying. beading. MA. WILLITS: Objection. also. to the fora. 18 BY MR. CRITIC*: 19 O. Lot i.e ask you thin no you know. if : 20 uml aaaaa nd it correctly, you toyed the, tea vibrators. II One IOC the neck and Yet and Eno Other One tnet you 22 described at a 01100. yew 10tt4 then In the sink on 23 those few occasions near the end of your sopleynent? 24 25 NA. AIROGA: Objection. TeetIfYln0. beading. 15611 elI-7500 mddr cove? netmct, INC. :54I, e11-15414 elialteettledletveeetweielvelenaleell. mweellteid04.MIBUd ewemus ammommattowatme• 1 2 3 4 reg. 194 Tat 1417MASS: I find it in the sine. BY RN. Chirnhi: Q. And then you would clean up and put it bock in A. I will put try rubber gloves, get a towel, put than under the sink. run the meter and put then in the 7 closet. And you put the. back In Ms. Maxwell's closet/ 9 Closet. 10 O. Why? fl y Into her closet? Because they were always kept there. 12 Q. All right. You tut/ fled earlier, is that if 13 IC either be you or Y. Itivarel I, It understood you IS correctly? 16 A. Yeah. 17 0. Okay. 18 A. At the end -- at the end of my nay was also 19 another girl, that Call. And then she was 20 handling everything, as far an cells to these girls. SI 050 nr. spatean ever mete %Mee raised 22 I never heard. 23 If Kr. tyst•in was not In residence. that la, 24 If he was in Mew Tort or non place •Ise other than rein 25 Beach. did you and your oleo etlli stay at the hole or 15611 8)2-7500 MOSE Ohne: erfOR/1106 A40CI. INC. tvonmettweedVimItinpme•Ww.04e0Setet eaSZORI•teenelen 1561/ 112-5804 Pelt 195 MUM you go to One of your apartment] 2 A. Y. Ye went to our apartment. 3 0. And then when he wasn't there. would you hive pretty mom regular house around the haute? 5 A. such. such, yeah. That wan the 6 days that we had to have the cleaning crew, 1 evil, too to go to the house end oversee the cleaning operation, 8 oversee the gardener beceuee there wee not, when they 10 so we have to take case of the pool, the chlorine and 11 all that stuff. 12 Q. So you would still do your regular but you 13 could finish pretty such 5:00 to 5:00? 14 Yes. 'Mat was much easier. 15 And when he woe -- Mar often would he 16 generally be In Palm Beath? 17 A. TOO much. 10 O. All right. But If -- would he be here at 19 least a couple -- 20 A. I would says. at least three tines a year -- a 21 month. three 'inks • nonth. three iiiii nd• • month. 22 Usually they come in on a Thureday. erten they left a 23 Monday or Tuesday. 24 Q. And then they go wherever else they were going 25 end then things would get toot to mere of • 9:00 tO 5:00 15611 0)2-1500 MOOG =el POI:MING ALOFT. 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[sell used -- she referred to • Tony -- KS. ELELL: Santiago. OWE WITNESS: Monaco. 10 BY It. COITION: 11 Have you ever beard of • 12 KS. EtELI-1 Thank you. You're right. 1) ME WITNESS: I know that hid nand was Cony. 14 but 1 don't know if it was Santiago Of I 15 don't otmembet the last MM. I never *poke TO 16 hire. except ask his to Mee his CM Ond tine. 17 BY KR. COITTON: 14 And Old Mf. got It wrong -- did 19 bring to the Pp hem• en more 20 thon one occasion? 21 22 0. And did you consider her, at leant Iron nos: 2) viewpoint. tom um one of the individuals who Ca to 24 give 005504103, 25 A. She Wes 'supposed to en a massage therapist. 1561/ ekk.15P' Ri ccoil ItarOPMe MAKS, INC. relealrreeser, Peen. 'eekenernerenale• leinemerreen• ere-. 'eereeeminerrieene rem reerereeren ferre..Poe len P. tweak, eInelKetneinneCIOnin (1411 422.15:c Page 230 1 O. And, so. Kr. ..ct least Mr. - 2 Tony -- asmming, if I asked you to •••Line Me nano nes 3 was he *mars that Was 4 coming to Mr. Epstein's house to give him • message? 5 A. t dent knee if he was aware of it. No was 6 welting Outdid*. 9 10 It 12 I) 14 IS 16 I, IS IS 20 21 22 21 24 2$ (yet, tit.1500 MOSS CtosT StrOMPM MOOT. Imp. Ommemmememmemmawammm ' e'er adm" Slarateo saunas C4 near fereaers 15411 8)2-1506 3504-022 Page 30 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002644 EFTA00157597 Page 201 1 Q. With regard tea did it ever appear to you 2 that she mac forced to cone to Nr. Epstein s home? A. I don't think so. I don't know If it was 4 forced between them, but I never nos force. I never saw -- 1 was there the first time Ms. Maxwell net Mr immediately that she went Into the ape s who.: she was 7 walking into the spa. And 1 was surprised to see tow: 0 afternoon she was et the house. 9 0. Did you ever see anyone fiitClilg= onto 10 the Opsteln: s poem sssss that is. either by grabbing her by the armor by the hand and dragging her in? 12 A. me. Either her or nobody else. 13 o. Did you ever see whorl she Cue to 14 the MNa where she appeared to be -- that is, when mt. IS arrived at the hone to be tweet or angry or dratFought? 16 17 10 left on those occasions where you saw her in person 19 eeeee the house, did she appear to be In the mine, I : d 20 say, overall deipenner and mood when she left as she had 21 been often new none, 22 Yeah, normal. She was normal. 23 Did she smile, 24 Yeah. )5 Say hello to yowl No. And spectElcally with regard to= when she THU 412-7,00 Mat. COURT REIORTING AGENCY. IBC resesebroeeseareaueeetarrams• " s arisn lednArvrialeraeasiorre Aber. tune •••••••••• (341) 0)2-7104 10 11 12 I) 14 15 16 17 IO 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 702 1 A. rimy all smile after they got paid. 2 MR. CAIITC44: All right. that's all I have. Thank you, Mr. A . THE WITNESS: You're welcome. 5 MM. N1LL17S: I don't have any questions. 6 MA. StilfdA: Okay. MS. EZELL: 1 do. RECROSS CUM:NATION 9 BY 05. UCLL: O. Sorry. Let ne find ny place, here. First of all, forgive re . I didn't neon to mislead anyone. It is not Santiago Noy head is not going very cell n0w: so... Do you need to take • break? A. Please. Not I err fine. I M line. Q. Well. It was my head that waiin't going very well then. You mentioned that your wife, I believe you said that let Me V•r. 1561) 412-7500 TKOS RAM itertairinD MEMOS DK. teNeeeleeteeed••••••••••••414144•1010 IeneeteRideeddleSteeekenetenefelee e004•1000.0 Tineenheasees dna Ort • ease Wileendedearnelenl 061) 412-7506 iig. 203 8 9 10 12 13 14 IS 16 0. Old she •ver conplain to you or saes elleturbed 17 by what she thought wes going on there? 10 A. No. 9M humor saw anything. 19 0. Was there ever 4 Idlest these by the nen* of 20 Today Hat0147 21 A. Teeny Motels? Na. Not when I His there. 22 0. YOu mentlOned tae nOrning that there ware 23 soma visitors who were very InpOttant men. Noble Prise 24 whiners> 25 A. 7••. na•at. 15411 012-1Saa PPOSE COURT RCOCOTING AGENCY, INC. enemesedemditedieleadeellehneme h•-etia .t mamarn".••••••"" then S32-75O6 Pate 204 Are you -- de you recall • Martin Nowak? I think that soenda familiar. If he Is an old guy. old man? 4 I think so. Methematicien? Yee. 6 Q. Biologist? A. Yes. Nis rime Martins I recall the., yes. 0 0. And do you recall • guest, Murray Gell-Mann? 9 A. Mary Gell-Nalm7 10 MA. MILLETS: t think you said -- 11 its. EZELL: Murrey. 12 KR. WILLITS: -- Murray and he said wry. 1) BY MS. [BELL: 14 0. Murray. Morey Gell-Mann. And. again. Pm 15 spotting of these -- these -- 16 A. le that a man Or a woman? 17 0. I believe It's • nen. Ie A. Murray Coll -Mann. Could be, but I don't If recall. 20 Co you recall the name Jerry Edelman? 21 22 O. What about -- can't reed my own wrItsny 2) here -- henry 41204441 1pholustIce17 24 Moray Rlsorski. yes. Yes. 25 was he • frequent visitor or -- 061) *12-i500 !MT! CC414T Igrivrr:ms AUTACY. IWT. deeeeteelledetedetteesseSedain endl eeefeleleeneelebelhand44,40N. roNt Or Pteeshrtes Ora Geese Or Int diteCteitli Cede 15411 532.1)':4 3504-022 Page 3Iof35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002645 EFTA00157598 Taw 205 at la frequent. But. also, he was 2 Selena -- I think so. he was into the rielenCe 0. And Larry Saner.? 4 A. Larry Vowsere. Yes. Larry Sugars ea: S lawyer? 6 O. I think peal*, he was the president 01 a 7 4711•00? 4 A. 1 don't knOah 9 0. DIO? 10 A. Mon 11 0. Well. then emOng those that you recall. 12 Mr. Nowak, the biologist and Mr. itiscasa, did they ever I) have Lampee that you an recall? 14 A. I cannot recall. ea. IS O. Was It your Irpression that Mr. Ipiawirs Ilawg 16 to surround himself with sssss ordinarily bright people? I? Tee. 14 10. CRITTOM: rem. 19 BY MS. EZELL: 20 O. And la it your lyrsaslm. also. that he's 21 rather bright and brilliant havelf? 22 A. Yes. 21 HR. WILLITS: Fan. 24 BY MIL EZELL: 25 O. Ord -- did you eves gain the lar•aslon that nal; el?-7500 PAWS COUP? eateria Acme... :MC. Oa) On-7506 OISM•ertelmeleImi lelellenneli ele•••••••••••••••••flemimnellnePs/eee 10•14.0.4.11.eneflealiChdlit*••040414atfl 0111.1efent•SMIPOSNMel l'47a be was sone wart of brain scientist? 2 MO. CIOTTOW: Form. ?WE WitaMS: MO. No. Mo. 1 know hla 4 backgrand. And 1 -- over the years I learn tow he Lose up and into the business and how he make his 6 fortune. And 1 don't think he was a brain 7 scientist. BY MS. 9 nobody ever told you that? 10 11 0. If you take a look again et page 9 01 the 12 transcript, Exhibit 2? 1) A. Okay. 14 O. Let a call your attention to line 2, which 15 begins with the question: 'Did he have girls come over 16 to give massages?' 17 A. Yes. 16 fad you Maid: 10 Yea. 20 0. The next question is: elaw many anages 21 would he hart in one day?" 22 fad 1 think you said earlier, maga -- 2) sOallas they'd have three a an , 21 A. Mo. No. That an not the question. 21 Scnetaes he had one, two or throe a day. (S41; 677.10:e PROSE COURT Itianlin atECT, INC. ileleseYerene••••••11•••••••••ninennaill l•••••••••••••14 Owes leameneleltalee rgenYeaftelea.elPtoimellirete saki Megan. CIJSYSJC.MOOSPORMIODSIO Oki, 412-750e Page 207 1 Q. Teat's what I wanted to ask you. Up to three 2 a day wometimal 3 A. Up to three a day. 4 Q. And did that happen often? 5 A. Very often. Or he had yoga in the meriting Or 6 In the afternoon It was a massage. I don't know that 7 again. When it was yoga, it was in the pool house. When it was massage, It was upstairs. So I don't what 9 they did when closed doors, you know. But it was • 10 couple of these girls that were yoga experts end they 11 were massage therapists at the sae time, so 1 don't 12 know. But there were -- may tines there are two. 1) three Nosaarpea a day. 14 Also. she had a massage PAS{ about every day. IS Meaning, Gaetano? 16 A. Va. I? O. Then On line 12, the question was: 'Did the 14 massage therapists nor young to you?' le axe you and: 'Mostly, no. You maw one or 20 two young pens in the last year.' 21 yeah. 22 Tan. again, still -- 2) M. CRITION: Oblect to MOT. 21 BY M.S. EZELL: 25 Q. -- still talking about the massage therapist. (Sall 832.1'1. PROSE 00501 PEPORTia Adval. reema sra ania—.:—ra=fare.... ....... to., 4.41•••••1 C4PXKOLatIROPIRIOM) ibOli 032-7500 Page 706 1 they asked you: 'What do you mean, when they looked 2 young?' On line I/. 3 Do you see that? 4 M. CRITIVOI: Porn. 5 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 6 BY MS. EZELL: 7 Q. Then you go on to ear - 1 reaeMer oo. girl wee yang. Me never asked how 014 sine was. It was not ay job.. 10 And the fraestiOner said: 'Eight. 1 11 understand.' 12 And you said: 1 livela she was 16 or 13 It That's correct. IS 'Sr. sty ludgmont. e 16 Yes. 17 HA. China: fora I think. 14 BY MS. EZELL: 19 O. mare was -- the only people being discussed 20 in all of this conversation were the massage therapists. 21 right? 22 MA. CEITTON: Form. 23 THE anCESS: Well, we discuss aboutill, this 24 girl thin 1 Matton in here. I thinking about her 2s because -- what's her nano? 15611 a)2-75n: iscet tour LISCIIT I Ile• ACIACT. lee. 1,61) 512-7506 dnnMan4a emeassaaa T••••••••• .04 it.1••• pia., ., , Cae•SinbaflememeN, Se Cashews 010...COmaTrtitx 'COY 3504-022 Page 32 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002646 EFTA00157599 Page 201 1 BY MS. EZELL: 2 Q. Et A. me I think she was a assa0e therapist for 'sore, because we set up the tables for ber. But et tine -- 6 MS. EZELL: Let ne lust -- excuse me. Just a minute. 'Att i e aske It= That's all. I . CRIT1:10 Okay. l'n THE WITNESS: MI Arid I loet 10 Concentration. 11 HR. CMITTOM, enhy don't you reed Pile response 12 to inn? Ii She can read It back to you. 14 'Previous answer woe read.) IS THE SITMES0: Yeah. I was -- In this 16 •tatenent 1 was thinking of her.- - - no. • I? BY NIS. EZELL: 18 0. 19 A. Sorry again. 20 It war= that 1 knew she was undone". and 21 knew IC because 22 El 23 0. Out Ohl' wee net a balmier therapist. -- 24 P. W. she was not. 75 0. -- as far se you know? 457-7500 MOd6 COstil rlytOliTleC ACteCT, Mkt. imeremeeraws•wwwweneransoese reewir~s.easoriseinsessimi OISLOICenterri90•Neel. 45611 512)520 Page 210 1 As far as I knew. she was not. 2 0. And you were tel thiewohowt this peg* 3 about triode girls that Cone to give nefs41.3? 4 MR. C14151040 Form. 5 BY MS. EZELL; Correct? MR. CRITION: ?GM. Azgenentralve. Asked end answered. THE 10111195, No. If I say, she was e russeile 10 therapist, i would says, no. But. then ageln, 1 11 don't know If she was e ner0age therapist. TOO. 12 BY Ma. EZELL: 12 0. Okay. You do mention. On page 21 Of yOur le st•tørent. 15 If you look at line /, you mention a yoking 16 girl, but aha on not • sonar therapist? 17 A. tet ne take a look. Pepe 21. 114 Q. At about line 7. 19 A. Lino T. 20 NM. 041:704b but It In the context of your 21 answer - 22 MS. EZELL: Sure. 21 MR. PILLI19: NO the gmestiOn. t00. 74 IhIC NITSMSS: West ion: - Pee- -- let me start 25 It Iron the beg Inning-- from the end. 15011 $32-7500 teel LOOS htidflhMC ASmier. :WC. eleir~TrOsreereflemele~1/70SIONI rheee.atrenearrel.•••••••••••••Wenallel romoNeeshopeoheeeenemomnsamer hilliSql.eabeflite0810. 0611 412-7504 Page 211 Many of the been a whilw. it was II 2 It was. It id. It wee so many._ lt was 3 ao 'many nave., that 1 think al yes hone -- If 4 you any girl 'a name, she's been there probably. 5 6 It wee else • Young girl but she wee not • 7 'assess* therapist. She c••• to the house es a friend. I talking aboutIllbecause I knew shoo was not 10 a manage therapist because ahe went to high school 11 end she vas • singer, an opera singer and she wee 1I brought to the house by her nether. So I knew they 13 had nothing to do with massage.. They were friends 14 end they mite going to the none with her. dinner 15 with her. And she had -- I think she travelled 16 with her, too. They travel. I? O. Its only point Is. that on page 9 you were IS talking *beat the massage fhtroplete. AM you said that If you remember that there were • couple of young ones the 20 last year. 21 And, so, linen, the young mesas.* therapists 22 boa you night remerber in the lent year. reovIclaw. 23 that person or 24 NH. CIIITTON, Yore 25 BY MS. CULL/ £541( rot caber ?Type/ Etc acne's, le:. (5411 4,32-i504 eemose.-~wiewer•sewausarisame ..«.""....`-'n 's.'n.”&frahlgtmernere ROW, 0 beer ". Gglara..ttaaSCS , Page 212 1 -- would be the young au*? 2 A. Yeah. 3 0. You state0 that Ma. Maxwell was very hard On 4 you and you pot blamed for everything. and that you -- 5 you liked th0 job and you liked Mr. Epstein. bat you 6 didn't like working for Kr,. Maxwell? 1 A. That's correct. 0. Can you tell or why. Other than that ar, 9 bland you for everything? 10 A. She cane Crow a very wealthy tally and She 11 was luet ny opinion? 1 give ty persons] Opinion - 12 that she was rotten Spoiled and she tiled to arise the Il house Ilk, it palace sen not a none. 14 I was -- I discussed It with her, many. eeny IS times we have 4111Cue$1011$. And ffiemelblies I even re/tune le to de her orders. kneeing trot : wee going to be beck's 1/ kip by Mr. Epstein or de the right thing. eg thinking bl 11 running the how.* should be. But se never had • good 11 relationship et All fro. the beginning, 1 don't think 20 ao. Out I was -- hare to he her driver and she will go 21 and shop ell over the malls and 1 will have to do behind 22 her, pay for It and bring the bags to the car. 23 Next day or the ana day she vell] do shopping 24 and buy and soy, John, go to this store end get It. It 25 was a lot or work. :t was a lot that she created and 1541? 1132-7,00 PROSE MIRY REPON7115 Afar, it. ener.weeierrewmasosaware 1541i (112.1506 .~. ~44:4=.4..~« or • on r vers's~"....a...."1""ms GrivW.berassenter.e. 3504-022 Page 33 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002647 EFTA00157600 Page 215 1 non Of this lobo that she c ***** d. 2 0. And one of those things nu and had to do 3 with her was to take her to different Spas? 4 A. Yes. Q. And there she would recruit young widen to 6 nee and do passage'? 7 A. Because she was COgInh. And she didn't knew the area too such es well as I knew. SO she -- She 9 says. John, mote a list of ell the nasssge -- the spas 10 In the area free Jupiter to Roca Ranh. And we went to 11 all the wain spas. AM then we went tO the '<Imola for 12 Minale therapists, and all the massage parlors, and 13 massage. the Small Miner. 14 So I make a list from the telephone book era 15 lee would go UFOS One to the another one. I would wall 16 in the car and she goes In. If And sometime she took a couple minutes end IS walk out with card•, bu ****** cards. And that -- she If did the recruit trig. 20 And Isom then. she pick up the girls and that 21 was the end of it. I neves did any reCrultin and I 22 never realty aid bin doing it. 23 0. You really never sus? 24 A. Omer mew Mr. Epstein recruiting anybody. 2) MS. All right. I haw no otter 1141t $12-7100 MDSE Cdair IMPOW/IM Anser, lit. wi *" ...".. taine n te eftweow Roe., dame emsame tmeemtee Ott" u: -tin Page 214 I questions. 'Blank you, sit. M. HIEMMLS7[10: I just haw* • couple follow up. 4 R[000453 EXPOUNATION 5 011 10. MERIMIAIIIM: 0. Kr. Ale'''. I'll be very brief. You testified that a peace as server Casa and 0 gave hag the subpoena to appear Mare today. Correct? A. Yes. 0. for your deposition? A. Yes. 12 0. Did you call anyone lifter you received the 11 subpoena to talk to them *ben thla? 14 15 O. You didn't Call anyone? 16 It 0. bid you -- how did you cone in contact with IS Mr. Penton's office to set up the meeting that you If discussed? 20 A. Nis -- his secretary left ne a monies on 21 sy -- In my machine. 22 had then you milled back? 23 then I coiled Diet. 24 0. And you set up the meting that y. .. new 25 A. And we set up a mettird for the Labor Day. ini) 4112-7500 Inn COURT IMPOSING Mann. IPM. 1)411 02-7504 -- N"'"" h”Olf Sege 211 Labor MAY. Monday. 2 Q. What about -- but you 'aid a month and • half 3 ago - on. this was before you were subpoenaed. Is when 4 you had the noting at your house with Mr. -- 5 A. Yea. before I was subpoenaed. 6 O. Mw did that noting con about? Now did that 7 get set up? We called who? A. Okay. before -- I an stuck on this question. 9 I don't know. I think it was Mr. Craton office. I 10 think It was Mr. Critton office. They call M. And 11 they left ne a mange that I must discuss -- Call Kr. 12 -- yeah. I had a message in ny phone that to cell Mr. <Mtn because he would like tO speak to use about 14 Jeffrey Epstein. That wee the messed.. 15 Ma : call It. Shen I abet* to him we set 16 up en appointment. 1 wa s sick at net tine. And he 17 came to my noun and we discussed it. 10 Other than Mr. Critter.. -- 19 Yee. 20 0. In the int few months have you spoken to 21 moan about the civil cases or your testinny? 22 A. No, not even my kids. 23 Q. Did you discuss this nth your wire? 24 A. My wife, yes. My kids. no. 25 0. What did you and your wife talk about? 15611 052-"i). motile :tar ettOlifixe ACMGr. INC. enentimeemn.....--numardisame ' sae* •••• ^ low,.. ratiernuatinecidel MAI) 414-7506 Sage 216 A. Van thing. what's Wing On. How bed the 2 situation was. 3 O. What do you Meat, 'Mu On the situation wasp 4 A. How -- I guess how he got Into this mass. 0. How Ht. Epstein got into this mess? Inds head." Can you be ware OpeCIIIC ke to what you end your wife said? A. No. It was just the publicity. you know, that 10 has age wee en the -- on the magazines and the paper II and tv. And : thought that that would newer happen. 12 0. had you and your wife felt bad for Mr. Epstein 13 because of that? 14 A. You know. after you know somebody end he 15 locund a friend of your. for ten years, I think you 16 feel bed, no matter how bad he ha. men. And I dmi't 17 know what he his done or what -- whet the final result' IS Of this will be. I still will feel bad about it, just 19 because the person that he was and how generous he was 20 with me and other people. 21 O. Just to be clear. Other than Mi. [Minn *Al 22 your wife, you haven't spoken to anyone else &Wet the 23 clan cases or your deposition teensy:my? 24 No, sir. 25 MM. MXIMEASSUBIt All right. Matta all 1 el2-7500 MOM court &storied 04micr. :we. •••••••••••••••••••••••••••INILTOMMI ...... " ..."...."" Milit=ana'rwla Oa 41,10C4..C,AP/C COM 041) 0,2.1104 3504-022 Page 34 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002648 EFTA00157601 have. MA. COITION: I have One last question. ROCROSSM(MMNAT101 Page 217 RI MR. PleSTMO: I want to just cIser up one thing, Mr. Almst. 6 CO to page 9. 7 A. rage 9, loots like the one that is Import:mt. That's right. Ne've belabored this one to 9 death. 10 Mt. WILL170: I think the Ink has sum off the Ii page by now. 12 by MR. COMMON: 33 Q. W. txhabit 2. This is the ototentat that II you gave to the State Attorrsy's Office on Ikkember 21st 15 Of •05. 16 Mr. Bargee asked you questions about the young 17 girl. MO. Ezell just eked yaw sone maestlons about )0 that. 19 So what 1 wont to do is Clarify. so that 1 20 an*. what -- to trusties no confusion, at least In the PI record. 22 On page t. lane 16, It says: 'During the last 23 year when you were working with hitt, Mu do you mean 21 they looked young? Did they look like they were still 25 In high '<hoot?' 15611 $12-1541 monMAT ',exactor; /alga. INC. eleaweeserearlisalesewilielaa010 '"PSIC=.........vt. sew 4100.WanenIMMareal 15611 (132-7506 the.' I need to sea. Sitnem excused.) cephaltion was cmel.d. I. 6 10 11 12 1) 14 If 10 17 IS 19 20 21 22 2) 24 25 ha0e 211 Ott, 1S00 MOSS COW' WPOPTINC taittr, :roc. '1611 e )2- tt4 loWasSolewlerieeneeeleariattelellW1 sWialialeedeskseelesessepOMPOislue tOWeesoseleauesaseennee etosoines1 017,071•10017e• Nom 218 And your answer was: *I remster one girl wee • young. We never asked how Old she was. It we. not Ry I yobs' 4 Old 1 reed that question and anSwOr Correctly? A. Tnet's correct. 0. If I understood your toetinOny In response to • Mr. Berger, the girt that you were OSSOtrIng to, because • there's • ***** lenge to high school, •••aM, O Yeah, that's: cermet. 10 11 Me. didn't leak to re like a IO year 12 old. I) S. wmcirs: All right. Thank you. That's le ell I have. IS O. SMUTS: YOU have the right 10 end and 16 sign this deposition If it ta typed up. In not 17 going to be ordering it: but if mmebody types it IS up you have the right to read and ohm it or you 19 can :sloe that right. It's up to you entirely. it 20 you want tO waive the right to road it, tell the 21 Mort reporter you want to waive the right. 22 TIM WIIMESS: Can you repeat that 0011n? 23 M. CAITMO: Why don't we go Oft the record. 24 (Discussion held eft the record.i 25 IRK WITNOSA: I waves that right. 1 don't (501) 412.1100 PROS COMM RKPOW INC MtaCY. 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