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FD-302 (Rec. S.S. Int -1 of 14 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION OrticiaL 14cconoi Date of entry 01/11 /2020 , date of birti was interviewed at Present for the interview was AUSA ttorney After being advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: When asked how felt about the situation as a whole, she responded that it has affected her life greatly. had a false sense of love at the time. felt that they (JEFFREY EPSTEIN and GHISLAINE MAXWELL) seemed to be the only people who cared about her. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL seemed to be family since she felt she did not have one. In her early 20's, realized how the abuse had affected her. personal and professional relationships were affected and her anxiety and depression has come in waves. has been affected in a multitude of ways including having trust issues, opening up, love and values in relationships. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL joked about believed them; EPSTEIN and MAXWELL showed her how life worked. EPSTEIN thought was grateful for how he helped her in life. stated, "When you get beaten into submission, sometimes you just start to believe that is how life is." • EPSTEIN and MAXWELL doing the same thing. saw everyone else around felt that she held a sexual value to them, but she also felt that EPSTEIN and MAXWELL liked and cared about her. Both EPSTEIN and MAXWELL would make her feel that she had to be grateful for what they did for her, Immtigationon 02/27/2020 at fin Person) Eden 50D-NY-3027571 muc-Ailed 03/02/2020 by This document contains neither reconummdations nor conelauom of tlw FBI. It la the properly of the Fill and is loaned to your agency; it and 14 contents are not to be distributed ouisule your agency. 3509-008 Page 1 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006970 EFTA00158500 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .On 02/27/2020 .Pag,• 2 of 19 but mostly it was EPSTEIN who let know that she needed to be grateful for all that he had done for her, including the lessons for which he had paid for Over time, realized the relationship was not what she thought it was. "crazy" boyfriend at the time had eventually helped her realize that the situation was not right. This was approximately in DARREN INDYKE, EPSTEIN's lawyer, called and said that she owed $10,000 for the apartment in -that-was subletting. boyfriend at the time told her to ignore EPSTEIN. boyfriend thought that EPSTEIN was her godfather. When learned about EPSTEIN's initial arrest (in the mid-2000s) felt alone and horrible. It was at that time that learned there had been a ton of girls involved. felt guilty that she had not said anything. Around this time, had a conversation with about EPSTEIN. may have called her when it was on the news. told that felt she should have known. was angry. was unsure if asked her questions about it but wanted to do something about it. felt at the time that it would have been a pointless uphill battle. This conversation with her sister helped to understand how was abused - it gave a better understanding about the whole situation. has been affected greatly, as has her relationships and her relationships with her family. still has to work through things. relationship been affected greatly and has gotten worse over the years. Now that , her relationship with has become worse. thought that'll, When was a child, felt that This may have affected how mother viewed EPSTEIN. mother told her to always be 3509-008 Page 2 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_0000697 I EFTA00158501 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .0, 02/27/2020 .Pag,• 3 of 19 grateful to EPSTEIN and that EPSTEIN wanted to hang out with her for a reason. As EPSTEIN's conduct became worse, in terms of the sexual abuse on did not have a sense that she could tell anyone. , and was taught that "we are supposed to do what we were told as a woman even if they are beating you". felt that she could not say anything. EPSTEIN's reminded her recently that when was 13 years old their mother smacked her for telling her guidance counselor about her The first sexual encounter with EPSTEIN, completely froze. EPSTEIN went about his business afterwards like everything was normal. thought that she could not tell anyone; had to bury it. stated, "It was horrifying, but they normalized everything so it was ok." MAXWELL helped a lot with normalizing everything and made it seem like "this was just what people do". Right away MAXWELL took on a sister role to , saying something like, "I'm like your big sister." MAXWELL made it all seem normal. MAXWELL and would have conversations; MAXWELL teased about boys at school. MAXWELL told , "Once you have a guy, he is grandfathered in." stated this was "cheeky big sister wisdom". MAXWELL also took bra shopping. At first, thought that MAXWELL and EPSTEIN were a couple, then she thought they were married, then she thought MAXWELL was EPSTEIN's assistant. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN's relationship was sometimes unclear. Some of the "grooming process" with them happened prior to when any sex act happened. There was bra shopping, going to the movies, hanging by the pool. MAXWELL was topless by the pool; she made it normal. This was early on when knew MAXWELL - approximately a month after meeting her. The first time witnessed other girls, who were older than her, topless by the pool was when she was 14 years old. The movie theaters where EPSTEIN and MAXWELL took was in it was a close drive from EPSTEIN's home. They were normal movie theaters but not 3509-008 Page 3 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006972 EFTA00158502 ED-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .on 02/27/2020 .Page• 4 of 14 nice movie theaters. They would go to earlier shows, around 5:00PM, and somewhat empty when they went. Sometimes other girls also went to the movies with them. EPSTEIN would not buy candy or popcorn; EPSTEIN was very careful with his diet and he pushed that on and others as well. knew she could not ask for candy or popcorn because EPSTEIN "fat shamed" people. could not recall how they bought tickets; EPSTEIN may have had the house manager buy the tickets ahead of time. had a memory of EPSTEIN handing out the tickets prior to them going into the movie theater. There were no couches in the movie theater. would not sit right next to EPSTEIN; EPSTEIN would be the one to decide where everyone would sit. The first sexual encounter occurred in the pool house. The next sexual encounter occurred in either the bedroom or the massage room. There was some period of time where the sexual encounters were only with EPSTEIN. After time, MAXWELL became involved in the sexual encounters; was not sure when exactly MAXWELL became involved. The first time MAXWELL was involved in the sexual encounters with EPSTEIN and there were two other girls there as well; it was all very casual. recalled two women, and IIII who would join in. In the first instance, MAXWELL guided it, but other girls knew the routine. Sometimes, it started with EPSTEIN wanting a massage then he would say, "You girls come with me". Sometimes the girls would make out with each other during these encounters. The average incident would be where they would go up to EPSTEIN's massage room. EPSTEIN would take a shower or would have just gotten out of the shower. EPSTEIN would be nude and get on the massage table face down. Some girls would be talking or laughing; it was very casual. Early on, they did not really talk to would be on "foot massaging duty" on EPSTEIN. wanted them to ignore her. MAXWELL would make out with other girls; she also taunted other girls. MAXWELL teased other girls, giggling and grabbing other girls' breasts, while directing another girl to get on top of EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was bossy; she would tell them all what to do. MAXWELL felt she had a big place in there; MAXWELL and EPSTEIN were a "power couple dynamic". stated, "You just do what you're told". stated, at first, everyone just took their clothes off except the underwear; clothes were just thrown on the ground. Other girls would massage EPSTEIN while MAXWELL directed the girls on what to do. Sometimes, 3509-008 Page 4 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006973 EFTA00158503 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .On 02/27/2020 .Page• 5 of 19 this lasted a long time; it was very tedious. At first, they would be talking and massaging for a long time. It was casual; they would be massaging for approximately 30 minutes. Then, EPSTEIN decided when he was over just chatting; he would turn around and decide who he wanted to grab or have grab him or who he wanted to have sex with him. When was asked if she saw these encounters end in sex, hand jobs, oral sex, and EPSTEIN masturbating, said yes, all these incidents occurred. The older became, the more she saw while with EPSTEIN. There was a progression, which generally started with EPSTEIN masturbating then leading to sex eventually. present for these incidents. ended in full on sex; This first started recalled witnessed this. in Palm Beach; MAXWELL was an incident in New York that This incident occurred in EPSTEIN's massage room. , a blonde girl, two other girls at the end, EPSTEIN and MAXWELL were all present. EPSTEIN grabbed the blonde girl very forcefully and had sex with her; the girl did not hesitate. MAXWELL was there and did not stop it; she acted like it was normal. EPSTEIN never used protection. EPSTEIN pulled the girl onto him on the massage table. was not sure who the girl was. thought nay have been present for this incident. After this incident, either went back to her room in EPSTEIN's house or was driven home; could not recall where she was staying. This scene stuck with so much because it was somewhat violent. was not sure if this was the first time she had watched him have sex with someone. EPSTEIN had a "thing" for blondes. that ended in sexual activity. It was years went on because the abuse became one else in the room other than EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was present for the massaging common but not as frequent as the more directed to just with no When was asked if there were times where it was only EPSTEIN, MAXWELL, and her in the room, was not sure. As EPSTEIN progressed incidents sexually with , it being solely with and going present. recalled that described blonde hair. would go back and forth between just back to the group setting. was husband at the time was a as being tall, thin, with nice legs, and recalled a red headed girl as well. recalled a girl who felt could back up what had 3509-008 Page 5 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006974 EFTA00158504 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD—NY-3027571 c ominuaii„ FD,302 (U) Interview of 02/27/2020 .Pag,• 6 of 14 talked about regarding MAXWELL. described as being a model, who was older than and knew EPSTEIN and MAXWELL before she did. The first time saw MAXWELL nude was in Palm Beach in a massage scenario. When asked if MAXWELL made comments about body, was not sure if she had, but recalled that EPSTEIN had made comments. EPSTEIN took Polaroid photographs of EPSTEIN took photographs of her, telling her to face away. EPSTEIN talked about ass getting fat. was approximately 15 years old at the time. This was in Palm Beach. MAXWELL may have helped with this; she sided with EPSTEIN or would giggle. EPSTEIN hired a personal trainer for would work out at EPSTEIN's Palm Beach mansion. Both MAXWELL and EPSTEIN made feel that she could not eat a lot. thought she went to New Mexico with EPSTEIN approximately three times, but was not 100% sure about the total number of times. that MAXWELL always went with her and EPSTEIN to New Mexico, while also accompanied them. EPSTEIN going with them to EPSTEIN's private plane to They traveled there for a weekend and and MAXWELL had meetings and sure why they took her to New Mexico; impress her. At the time, EPSTEIN would brag about his properties; he wanted to be a mentor. did not recall if MAXWELL had talked up the ranch. recalled EPSTEIN's brother, New Mexico once. The first time New Mexico, it was just EPSTEIN was was somewhat told to go hiking. MARK - felt others went on and MAXWELL. ignored. EPSTEIN was not thought that EPSTEIN wanted to did not care nor was she impressed. While fly. • would let her go. The first trip EPSTEIN wanted her. Ordinarily, EPSTEIN asked to go, and but sometimes EPSTEIN would have female assistants was living in Florida, she did not need her license to would tell that she wanted to go and to go on, he asked she would ask call. The first time flew on his private jet was to New York. On first trip to New Mexico, a driver picked her up at her house and drove to EPSTEIN's Palm Beach house. Once at his house they traveled to the airport together from there. was not sure who drove to the airport. recalled that when they typically arrived at the airport they would drive right up to the plane. She recalled sitting in the 3509-008 Page6of14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006975 EFTA00158505 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 cominuaii„ at:D-302 (U) Interview of .0„ 02/27/2020 .Pag,• 7 of 14 back seat of the car with EPSTEIN. On at least one occasion EPSTEIN sat in the front of the car and was not driving, while MAXWELL sat in the back with Typically, EPSTEIN would just get out of the car and everyone was just expected to follow him. was then asked about flight records and her first flight on his private jet. thought it was to New York, and several people were on this flight. was pretty sure that EPSTEIN's brother was on this flight, and maybe his mother. Others on the flight she did not know. was then asked the names of people that were on these flight records and if she recalled knowing them. Her answers were as follows: -yes ? -no -yes...she was his ex-girlfriend and they stayed friends. her a few times and was not sure if she was part of the massages. was then asked if she recalled the next private jet thought that it was to New York. She thought that the have been to New Mexico. met flight. 3rd flight may was asked if she remembered flying from New York to New Mexico to which she answered yes. There was a couple other people on the plane. The chef may have possibly come with two other men. was asked about if the time that she flew to New Mexico with just EPSTEIN and MAXWELL could have been from New York. responded "yes". was asked if she remembered how she got to New York first. stated she may have flown up from Florida to New York for the New Mexico trip. Although she was not totally sure of that. was asked about her first New Mexico trip and what activities she did. recalled there being horses around. She recalled going hiking. She remembered not doing too much and just sitting around mostly. She did not recall specific abuse that may have occurred. did not remember if EPSTEIN had a massage room in his New Mexico home but thought he probably had one. was asked if she recalled any specific abuse that occurred in New 3509-008 Pagc 7 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006976 EFTA00158506 ED-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .0„ 02/27/2020 .Pag,• 8 of 14 Mexico and she stated she was not sure. The place was dark and she did not recall many details of this location. If there was abuse that occurred there it wouldn't have been a group thing, but she cannot recall anything specific. had her own room in New Mexico. New Mexico was the foggiest of memories for was asked if there was ever a time when EPSTEIN came into her room while in New Mexico and she responded "no". was asked if she remembered how she left New Mexico the first weekend she stayed there. said "no" but on at least one trip home from New Mexico she flew commercially. had to be driven to the airport. would have had to be home in time for school, she recalled travelling all day on Sunday. was asked about a flight that she took on a Friday in 1997 from New Jersey (Teterboro) to New Mexico. She was asked if she remembered leaving at the end of the weekend. She stated that there was a driver who brought her to the airport. recalled that EPSTEIN had a driver in New York who was originally from Tibet. Her first trip to New York was to just go and have fun. This may have been the trip that she went to see The Lion King. There were some other people on this flight who may have just been "catching a ride". On this first trip to New York MAXWELL and EPSTEIN picked out an outfit for her which was comprised of penny loafers, a Ralph Lauren sweater and plaid pants. was asked if she recalled a flight she took from Florida to New York on a Monday. She said that this did not stick out in her mind specifically. EPSTEIN did not typically want to miss school. was asked about a flight from New Mexico to Florida that she took in 2001. stated that this is probably the last time she saw him. It was shortly after this that she had "that boyfriend". At the time, she was living in She may have had time off from work to be able to travel. EPSTEIN was coming to -with a bunch of people and told she had to come with him on this trip. felt she was being treated as an adult that did not need to get involved 3509-008 Page 8 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006977 EFTA00158507 ID-3023(Rev.54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 c onhnuaii„arD-302 or (U) Interview of .0, 02/27/2020 Jaw 9 of 14 anymore. They flew to New Mexico fro on his jet, or perhaps a charter - was not sure. Then they flew from New Mexico to Florida. felt as though EPSTEIN may have been showing her off. They only spent about a day in New Mexico and then about two days in Florida. After this trip, flew back to on her own. was then asked if she knows the following persons: ? -sounds familiar ? -no was asked about a flight that she was on in May of 1998 from Florida to New York. She was asked if the following persons were on this flight: GLEN & EVA DUBIN? -maybe -yes, I think so. then stated that she liked They hung out and she was nice. thought she was so cool. was a friend of and they would all sometimes go out drinking together. introduced to the drink the White Russian. was involved in the sexual conduct with EPSTEIN. may have worked was not sure if she was involved in the sexually from both EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. impressive breasts that recalled seeing. This happened in either Florida or New York. MAXWELL told what to do but was not exactly sure what she was told. for EPSTEIN's company but abuse. took orders had very large, nice and was asked if MAXWELL would tell her what to do. thought MAXWELL may have coached or taught her what to do. was asked how specific were the instructions given to her. believed the instructions were given physically and not as much verbally. She was guided as to where on EPSTEIN's body she should massage. was asked if MAXWELL was present for the "4 options" (masturbation, hand job, oral sex and sex) that EPSTEIN would do with other women in the massage room and answered yes to all. asked if MAXWELL was present for when any of these "4 options" were performed on her and she responded "I can't remember". MAXWELL's role was was then 3509-008 Page 9 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006978 EFTA00158508 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of 0, 02/27/2020 Jaw 10 of 19 to normalize it all. MAXWELL wouldn't talk about the sex acts before or after. In the beginning, was on the foot massage duty so she could watch and learn how to do all the other stuff. was asked if MAXWELL knew that EPSTEIN was having sex with her and she responded yes. MAXWELL was witness to all the instances that happened in the room. MAXWELL was never present when EPSTEIN had sex with cannot remember if MAXWELL was ever present for instances of oral sex or hand jobs with EPSTEIN and recalled that MAXWELL was present for when was pinching EPSTEIN's nipples while he masturbated. At this time EPSTEIN was touching on her breasts and her butt, although she does not recall if EPSTEIN touched her vagina at this time. MAXWELL may have been present when EPSTEIN used a vibrator on vagina. MAXWELL may have given a vibrator in a box for Christmas. threw it out because she was living at home, was in high school and was embarrassed. This happened while she was either living in was asked if MAXWELL ever touched or kissed her to which she answered, "I don't think so". said "know your audience" on why MAXWELL may have kissed other girls and not . Certain girls didn't have a problem with it as much as some other girls. This may have been based on their sexual experiences, background and willingness. EPSTEIN was mildly sexual with • including MAXWELL. Maybe, at most, front of others. in front of other people, put her hand on his penis in MAXWELL bragged about who she dated and her conquests. MAXWELL was the female version of EPSTEIN. MAXWELL talked about her sexual interactions with other people but not about her sexual interactions with EPSTEIN. did not notice any sexual energy between EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. They seemed to be like partners in crime. MAXWELL in general would be direct, although cannot remember specifics. 3509-008 Page I 0 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006979 EFTA00158509 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .0, 02/27/2020 .Page• 11 of 19 was asked about the New Mexico trips she took and if she recalled any specific abuse that occurred there to which she answered she did not remember. MAXWELL would have been present for oral sex that occurred with other individuals. was not sure, but it was possible that MAXWELL was present for oral sex with EPSTEIN and MAXWELL was present for occasions in Florida and New York in which others performed oral sex on EPSTEIN. recalled a group massage instance that occurred at SHUTTERS ON THE BEACH in California. One of the girls was upset and did not want to give a massage. She cried because she had a boyfriend. MAXWELL was not present for this. There may have been another incident in which a girl got upset or was apprehensive about getting involved with the massages. [Agent note: In previous interview, there was mention of a girl who was upset in New York. This was clarified in this interview to reflect that the girl was upset in California.) met HARVEY WEINSTEIN at a Golden Globes party while with EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN introduced to WEINSTEIN and stated "hands off my girl". EPSTEIN and WEINSTEIN laughed. was asked about INTERLOCHEN, and how she turned 14 that summer that she met EPSTEIN while attending the academy. She was asked if it was possible that she met EPSTEIN after she turned 14 to which she responded yes. stated she based meeting him at 13 years old because it was the summer and she was at summer camp. nd she thought that it was before her birthday. was still living in and still 14 years old when a fair amount of the abuse happened to her. At some point MAXWELL and EPSTEIN came to house prior to the abuse. While still 14 had the interaction with the photographer. was 14 when the group massage abuse happened involving MAXWELL. While still 14 the pace of things moved fairly quickly with EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN had touch his penis right after the pool house visit. It started to be expected that something would always happen when would go to visit EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was usually present for this in the beginning. EPSTEIN would usually just grab and say "come with me" when he 3509-008 Page I I of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006980 EFTA00158510 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation at:D.302 0r (U) Interview of .O7, 02/27/2020 .Pag,• 12 of 19 was going to abuse her. was asked if MAXWELL would ever follow her up with EPSTEIN when the abuse occurred. stated probably about once. There were times when MAXWELL was present and EPSTEIN took for abuse upstairs. There were also times where MAXWELL told that EPSTEIN "wants to see you" which then led to abuse. There were times when was directed to the massage room by MAXWELL when there was someone else already there. Oral sex with EPSTEIN took about a year to happen. This happened when they were still in Florida. was 18 years old while attending the The rape incident happened in New York. was not sure where she was living at the time. thought she was staying with EPSTEIN at the time. She was visiting him and recalled going back to her room after the incident. did have pregnancy concerns since EPSTEIN never used a condom. did not talk to anyone about this. At one time did not have her period for about six months so she bought a pregnancy test. EPSTEIN never used protection and was not on birth control. This type of assault (rape) continued while was living in III was not sure if MAXWELL or EPSTEIN ever visited her while she lived there. They visited one to two times at her house in Florida. This was about a year or two after meeting him. From when met EPSTEIN to when she moved to she lived in the same house in This house was in a gated community called- It was a 3-bedroom house. During the summer of attended INTERLOCHEN summer camp. During the summer of IIII she attended The summer before her senior year spent all of it in New York. She was 17 going on 18 years old this summer. stayed in one of EPSTEIN's apartments during this summer. She also stayed in his mansion for a bit before moving into prior to her starting school. This summer it was her responsibility to find her and her other a place to stay. was not sure if EPSTEIN was going to pay for this apartment or not. She just looked for the cheapest place to live 3509-008 Page 12 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_0000698 I EFTA00158511 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .0, 02/27/2020 .pas, 13 of 14 that had two bedrooms. Eventually told EPSTEIN that she found an apartment. was not sure how she found this. EPSTEIN may have had someone help her out but she was not sure. was asked about MAXWELL making threats. stated that these were scolding, stern phone calls for being ungrateful. MAXWELL would set up appointments and make travel arrangements. MAXWELL would talk about when and how they would travel. MAXWELL would discuss logistics. MAXWELL would make travel arrangements for commercial flights that would take. would hear MAXWELL on the phone booking flights. was not sure exactly who MAXWELL was talking to but she did make these calls. MAXWELL would talk to about upcoming trips. does not recall word for word what these conversations were. was asked if she recalled when travelling from one place to another if sexual abuse occurred on the other end and she responded by stating "yes". stated that it always occurred on the other end. There were maybe one to two times that it did not occur. was asked if during her first trip to New York if abuse happened and she responded "yes but I don't specifically remember that abuse". was not sure how she got back home the first time. was asked if she recalled having any particular feelings on her first trip home from New York and she stated not that she recalled. was asked if there are any times that when leaving New York that she felt relieved to which she stated "every time". stated that generally every time she 3509-008 Page 13 of 14 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006982 EFTA00158512 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .On 02/27/2020 .Pag,• 14 of 19 traveled with them she was abused. Both 1-on-1 and in groups. MAXWELL was involved in the group sex that occurred in New York. was asked about the incident in which EPSTEIN was touching her breasts with MAXWELL present, and if she recalled where that happened. stated that it may have happened in Florida. was asked about when things escalated to oral sex with EPSTEIN. recalled that started with the 1-on-1 incidents. MAXWELL did not discuss the abuse afterwards, or ask how it was. was asked about if she was aware of a DONALD TRUMP allegation of sexual abuse. stated no. There was some saying that she was a victim of TRUMP but this was not true. stated that at first she was not afraid of EPSTEIN. Once she broke free from EPSTEIN, was not sure what he would do. After breaking free from him she did not learn of any additional victims of his. recalled reading some things about girls disappearing but this turned out to be hearsay from attorney. 3509-008 Pagel4ofl4 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006983 EFTA00158513