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1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR TESTIMONY Federal Grand Jury 07-103 Federal Building U.S. Courthouse West Palm Beach, Florida Tuesday, April 24, 2007 APPEARANCES: Assistant United States Attorney Foreperson OFFICIAL nrnnnmTMr CVOU CE, LLC Exhibit 22 EFTA00223971 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The sworn testimony of was taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, Federal Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach County, State of Florida, on Tuesday, April 24, 2007. Paula E. Angelocci, Certified Court Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida, Official Reporting Service, LLC, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 33301 , was authorized to and did report the sworn testimony. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223972 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear that the testimony you give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? THE WITNESS: I do. THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be seated. EXAMINATION Q Good afternoon, Ms. Could you state and spell your name for the record? A Q And where do you currently live? A I live -- do you want me to give the address? Q Sure. A Florida Q Okay. And you are living with your parents now? A Yes. Q Were you served with a subpoena to appear before the grand jury today? A Yes. West Palm Beach, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223973 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And do you understand that an order was signed by a judge compelling you to appear and answer questions? A Yes. Q And that order states that what you tell the grand jury won't be used against unless you perjure yourself? A Yes. Q Do you understand that you are under oath, and if you don't tell the truth -- A I can go to jail, yes. Q Okay. Let's start with where you went to high school. A Q How old are you today? A Twenty-one. Q And what is your date of birth? A Q What year did you graduate from Royal Palm? Q And where are you currently working? A I currently am not working. Q But you are starting a new job? A Thursday. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223974 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Where will that be? A Fort Lauderdale, Coral Springs. Q What type of position will that be? A Waitressing. Q Have you worked since the time that you graduated from high school? A Uh-huh. Q Can you tell the grand jury what type of jobs you have had? A I worked at T's Lounge as a dancer. worked in a club up in Orlando as a dancer as well. I have also worked at a sports bar as a waitress. Q When you were in high school, where did you work? A T's Lounge and Olive Garden. Q And do you know Jeffrey Epstein? A Yes, I do. Q Can you tell the grand jury how you first came to meet Mr. Epstein? A I met Epstein through two acquaintances, and and I met them at a beach resort. They made a proposition to me. Later then I picked them up and they gave me directions to the house and that's where I was formerly introduced OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223975 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to Mr. Epstein. Q Okay. And let me just go back over that a little bit. You mentioned that you had two acquaintances, and and you met them at a beach resort, correct? A Yes. Q And you said that they made a proposItion to you. What was that exactly? A had asked me if I wanted to make money and she was working for this guy, Epstein, in Palm Beach. So I told her I was interested and she further went into detail about massaging him, that you would have to take off articles of clothing and there would be touching and fondling involved. Q How old were you when this happened? A About 16. Q And how old was A Same age. Q And how did you know A We went to middle school together. Q And she was in your same grade in high school? A Yeah. Q And you mentioned that had OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223976 7 1 2 previously worked for Epstein or was currently working for Epstein? 3 A Yes, that's right. 4 Q So they explained this proposal to you 5 and you said that you would be interested? 6 A Yes. 7 Q What happened next? 8 A Within a couple of days to a week I 9 picked them up and I went to his house to work for 10 him and I was introduced to who is his 1 1 assistant. She took me upstairs to Epstein's 12 bedroom and that's where the massage took place. 13 I was naked and he tried fondling me and 14 I wouldn't have it, so after the massage he gave 15 me another proposition to bring girls to the house 16 and for every girl that I brought I would make 17 $200. 18 Q All right. We'll go back over that a 19 little more slowly. I know this is a lot of 20 information. So let's go back to the proposition 21 that and made to you. 22 Did they say you would be paid for 23 massaging Mr. Epstein? 24 A Yes. 25 Q And how much would you be paid? OFFICIAL RFPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223977 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A $200. Q Now you said that they had told you that you might have to take your clothing off? A They told me that I was expected to take my clothing off and that there would be fondling. Q Okay. And what -- did they explain what fondling meant? A Just that he'd be touching me. Q Okay. And so you agreed to do that and you went to Mr. Epstein's home? A Correct. Q And where was that located? A Palm Beach, Brillo Way. Q B-R-I-L-L-O? A Yes. Q And when you arrived at the home, you said that you were driving with and A That is correct. Q Tell us how you got into the house. A we went through a gate on the side of the house that led to the back and we just rang the doorbell and answered the door and we were standing in the kitchen and then brought me upstairs. Q Okay. Now did you have any -- did OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223978 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 S 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 tell you anything about what you would do when you got upstairs? A No, she never discussed that with me. Q Did she say anything to you about taking your clothes off? A No, she never discussed that with me. Q Okay. When you arrived upstairs, you said that you went into a bedroom? A That is correct. Q What was in the bedroom? A It was a bedroom that had a door that led to then I want to say a bigger more than just a bathroom. It was a bigger room with like a pretty large size walk-in closet, a shower, a steam shower, and then two sinks on the right, and in the middle laid the massage table, and then to the left there was two couches. Q And so the massage table was already set up when you arrived? A That is correct. Q Okay. And after led you up to the bedroom, what did she do? A She had left and that's when Epstein came in. Q Okay. And when Mr. Epstein came in, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223979 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 what was he wearing? A He was wearing a towel. Q Okay. And nothing else? A Nothing else. Q And what did he do? A He laid on the table and that's when the massage began and later on he -- when he got in, i took off my clothes and I was just wearing my bottoms, and he later tried to touch me and he grabbed my butt, and that's when I had a problem. I told him that I didn't feel comfortable. So later he took the towel off and he was laying on his back and he started to masturbate asking me to squeeze his nipples really hard to ejaculation and then after that everything was done. Q Okay. So when Mr. Epstein ejaculated then the massage or whatever was over? A Yes, it was. Q And once that happened, what did he do? A Just got up and dried himself off and then walked me downstairs. Q And you got dressed as well? A That's right. Q And when you got back downstairs, what OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223980 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 happened? A I went back into the kitchen and he pulled and aside and then we just left. Of course, I got paid. Q Okay. And tell us where you got paid, who paid you, and how much you received? A Epstein paid me. I received 200, but I cannot recall if it was upstairs that he paid me or if he waited until I got back downstairs. Q Okay. And when he paid you the $200, was it in small bills, large bills? A Big bills, 100s. Q Okay. So two 100 dollar bills. And you said that he pulled and aside. Do you know what that was about? A He would never pay them in front of me. He always was funny about that. So I'm sure it was just paying them for bringing me. Q Okay. And you mentioned that you told Mr. Epstein that you were uncomfortable with him touching you? A That's correct. Q And what became of that? A Later on before I left he had addressed me to not massage him anymore, but asked me if I OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223981 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 could bring girls over and for every girl that I brought to the table he would pay me $200. Q Okay. So you weren't comfortable with him touching you, so you weren't going to do any more massages? A No. Q He wanted you to find other girls? A That's correct. Q And he wanted girls that would let him touch them? A Uh-huh. Q After that first massage, did you perform any other massages at his house? A Absolutely not. Q Did you bring girls? A That's correct. Q Tell us how you started to bring girls to Mr. Epstein's house. A Just girls that I met in high school, acquaintances, people that I just said hi and bye to. A lot of them actually heard about it through a couple of girls that I brought and they were interested. Some of the girls asked me about it. Just girls in school I'd talk to, just get on the OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223982 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 subject. They had no problem with it. Q Okay. So when you found a girl that you thought would be interested, what exactly would you tell her? A I asked them if they were interested in making extra money and that I knew an older wealthier man in Palm Beach who liked to have massages and they would get paid $200. The more they did, the more they make, and I would explain to them in detail what was expected of them when they showed up at the house and I also told them that if they are under age just lie about it and tell him that you are 18. Q Let's talk first about what you said that you tell them what was expected of them. A Yes. Q First of all, why did you tell them that? A Because that's what I was told. Q By whom? A and Q Okay. And did Jeffrey Epstein ever address you about don't bring girls over here if they don't know what's going to happen? A Absolutely. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223983 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. So all the girls were supposed to know that when they got there they would be undressing? A They would be undressing. There would be touching. There would be fondling. He was very big on that. He told me never to bring a girl over unless they knew what was expected. Q Okay. And did you also tell them that he would be masturbating? A I didn't really talk to them about that. I didn't know if he did it with everybody or it was just with me that he did that. Q But you told them that they all would have to be partially naked or fully naked? A Partially to fully naked and there would be touching and fondling. Q Okay. How many girls do you think you took to Mr. Epstein's house? A Seven, between seven to ten. Q Okay. And were there any -- in addition to this rule about the girls had to know what was expected, did Mr. Epstein have any other rules in terms of what the girls looked like or what he liked? A No. OFFICIAL RFPORTTNC SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223984 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. Were there girls that you brought that he didn't like? A There were a few girls he wasn't crazy about. He didn't really like. He didn't favor. for instance, 23, he thought she was kind of too old. Q Okay. So you brought a girl named who was 23 years old? A Yes. Q And you were told that she was too old? A Yes. Q Did you ever bring her back? A No. Q What about any other girls that he didn't like? A This other girl I went to high school with, she was maybe a year younger, and him and her got into an argument about money. I told her in detail what was expected and she, to me, was all for it and then when she got there, decided she didn't want to perform what was necessary. So they got into an argument about money and after that I never really brought her back. Q Okay. And did either Jeffrey Epstein OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223985 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 or say anything to you about what happened with 7 A He had made a comment just about -- I had asked -- he had asked me for someone to come over and work and when I suggested ill' he kind of nodded, not really interested. He told me to find somebody else. So I assumed that meant he really didn't care for her. Q Okay. Now the -- you mentioned who was 23. What was the age range of the other girls that you brought to Mr. Epstein's home? A High school, 16 to 18. Q Were there any girls who were younger than that? A Yes. Q who was that? A Q And how was she? A She was 14. Q Okay. Now you were interviewed by the Palm Beach Police Department? A That's correct. Q And during that interview, you told them that there were two ways to make money with Jeffrey Epstein. Can you explain to the grand OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223986 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 jury what those two ways are? A The more you did is the more you make. Basically, the more clothes that come off, the more you let him touch you, the more you just let him have his way with you is the more that you would make, otherwise, you would be demoted down to bringing girls over and just making money that way. Q And that's what you were doing? A That's correct. Q Was bringing girls? A That's correct. Q If you could explain to the grand jury how you would go about making an appointment for a girl to come and give a massage? A His assistant there would call me either before they got into town or while he was in town and either she would ask me for a particular girl, preferably one that he favored, or if : couldn't get a hold of that girl just bring somebody over to work. it. I would call the girl. She would okay I would call back, confirm it, set an appointment, and then the next couple of days we'd go. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223987 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And was the person that you always made the appointment with? A Always. Q Do you remember ever talking to Jeffrey Epstein on the telephone? A Never. The only time I talked to him was physically in person at his house. Q Okay. was really the person that you had to -- A Deal with. Q Okay. Now you mentioned that sometimes would request a specific girl? A That's correct. Q Did she give you any reason why he really liked this girl or just is this girl available? What would happen on those calls? A If it was a specific girl, she would call me and just ask: Can this girl work? She would never give me a reason. She would never go into detail. It was just: Can she work, yes or no? Q And was saying to you can she work? A I can't recall if those were her exact words. I can't remember if it was: Can she come OFFICIAL rFPORTTNG SFRVTCE, LLC EFTA00223988 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 over and massage or can she work? I don't recall the exact words. Q Okay. And once you made those appointments then who would normally take you and the girls to the house? A I would. Q Okay. And you would drive? A I would drive. Q And were all -- was this always taking place at Mr. Epstein's home? A Yes. Q On Brillo Way? A That's correct. Q When you spoke with on the telephone, did you -- were all of these conversations about setting up these appointments? A When I would talk to Q Yes. A Yes. It would be pure business whenever I talked to Q So you didn't have any sort of friendly relationship? A No friendly relationship, never socialized unless I was at the house. It wasn't like that at all. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223989 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. Now when you would bring a new girl over to the house, what would you do? A Walk up the same way towards the back of the house. They would let us in. I could sit in the kitchen with the girl. I would.either wait for to come in or Jeffrey. Most of the time it was would bring the girl upstairs while I waited downstairs. After the massage, the girl would come downstairs. I would get paid and then we would leave. Q Tell us how you would get paid when you were the person who brought the girls. A What do you mean how I would get paid? Q Who would pay you? A Jeffrey Epstein would pull me aside whether it be in his, I guess, living room slash office. He would just make sure that when he paid me, it was just me and him, nobody else was around. Q And how much would you get paid for each girl? A $200. Q And again with the two 100 dollar bills? A Always 100 dollar bills. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223990 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Did you ever see the girl who actually did the massages get paid? A No, I never saw them get paid. He never paid us in front of each other. Q Okay. Did the girls ever tell you that they did get paid or how much they got paid? A Most of the time. Q Okay. And how much money would each girl get paid? A It ranges. Q From? A It ranges from 200 to some got paid 300. Like I said, the more you do, the more you make. There were a couple of girls that got paid 300, 400, and then there were a couple of girls that got paid 200 maybe even 100. Q Now you mentioned that usually would take the girl upstairs? A That's correct. Q Were there ever instances where you took the girl upstairs? A Very rarely. I think it happened once or twice where was doing something or she would need me to go upstairs and set up. I would just go upstairs. I would show her where the OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223991 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 massage table was. I would set it up for them. I would show them where the towels were, put the towels on the massage table and then I would tell them Jeffrey would be in, in a minute and then I would walk back downstairs and wait in the kitchen. Q Okay. And when you were in these other instances where you led the girl upstairs, besides the massage table, did you ever see any other implements that were used during the massage? A I think there were maybe a few occasions where I would walk upstairs to show the girl or maybe it was even when I first massaged him, there was like a white massager on the table or a white vibrator. Q And can you describe that to the grand jury? A What it looked like? Q What it looked like, yes. A It was like a cylinder. It was really big. The head was bigger. It was white. I think the top of it was maybe like pink. It was big, that's all I remember. Q Okay. And did any of the girls ever tell you that that was used on them? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223992 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Yes. Q Okay. Now I'm going to run through the names of some girls that you brought just to confirm with the grand jury that you brought them. A Okay. Q A That's correct. Q A Correct. Q A Correct. Q A Yes. Q A Yes. Q 7 A Yes. Q And then there is another girl, A never, ever, ever worked for Jeffrey. She accompanied me to his house I think once or twice and waited in the kitchen with me, but she never worked for him. Q Okay. But she was somebody that you brought along with you? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223993 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A That is correct. Q On visits? A Yes. Q Okay. In addition to those girls that who I just named, you mentioned a woman, who is 23? A Uh-huh. Q Were there any other girls that you recall bringing to Jeffrey Epstein's house? A I cannot recall bringing anybody else. Q Okay. Now one of those girls that we mentioned was , correct? A Yes. Q And you told the police that Jeffrey the best? A Yes. Q How old was A She was around the same age as me, maybe a grade lower than me. Q Okay. So she was under age? A Yes, correct. Q And all of those girls who names I read were under age when you brought them there? A Except for Q Okay. What did look like? OFFICIAL REPORTING SFRVTCE, LLC EFTA00223994 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A was Hispanic. She kind of looks Korean, but she's Hispanic, Hawaiian, maybe. She had a dark complexion. She had hair down to the middle of her back, long, highlights. Q Was she thin or heavy? A No. She was maybe -- she had a boxy type figure, maybe a little lighter than me. Q And how tall do you think she was? A About 5'S, 5'6. Q Okay. And you knew that Jeffrey liked because he would specifically request her? A There was a few occasions that he would specifically ask for her, correct. Q Okay. And you mentioned that some of the girls told you about the massager being used, correct? A Yes. Q Did some of girls tell you what happened inside of that bedroom? A A few of them did. Q Let's talk first about A Okay. Q Did she tell you what happened? A All that she really told me was that they got into a money fight. He had tried OFFICIAL RFPnPTTNf sPiniTCE, LLC EFTA00223995 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 fondling her. She wasn't having it, and then she only got paid $100 and she felt like she was being ripped off. Q Okay. What about , did she tell you about what happened? A Yes. Q What did she explain to you? A , on the way home, had told me she got paid $300, and basically let him insert fingers in her and use the massager on her. Q Okay. And she told you those things? A She told me those things. Q That he had digitally penetrated her and had used the massager? A That's correct. Q Okay. And that was -- when did she tell you that? A Right when we got outside into the truck. Q As you were driving away? A That's correct. Q Do you remember which other girls told you about the massager being used? A I can't recall. I know there was another one that said something about the OFFICIAL FpnwTrmn ArnviCE, LLC EFTA00223996 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 massager, but I wasn't really paying attention. Q Now when you first went and gave Mr. Epstein the massage, did he ask for your telephone number after you were finished? A No, did. Q did. And she took down your telephone number? A She took down my name and my telephone number. Q After that, how was all contact made with you? A Q Directly to you? A Directly toward me. Q Okay. So were there any more instances where she went either through or to reach you? A Absolutely not. Q Okay. Now when you brought girls over was it the same thing where they would ask for the girl's name and number? A Yes. Q And when that happened, would they continue to go through you to set up appointments? A Most of time they went through me. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223997 28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Actually 99.9 percent of the time they went through me. On a few occasions, the girls that they liked the best, for instance, , after a while me and stopped contact with each other and Jeffrey just went strictly through her. Q Okay. And when an appointment was made directly with the girl, you wouldn't necessarily know about it? A I would not necessarily know about it. Q And when the appointment was made directly with the girl then you wouldn't get paid, correct? A Correct. Did you hear or do you know whether some girls that you brought, brought more girls? A Yeah, I'm sure of it. Okay. When did you first meet Was it that day that you went to give the massage? A That's correct. Q And how did you first meet her? A Just walking in the kitchen and waiting for somebody whether it be Epstein or came and introduced herself as and I learned that she was Epstein's assistant. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERV CE, LLC EFTA00223998 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And you said that she was the one who took you upstairs on the first day? A That's correct. Q And we were talking earlier about how appointments would be made for you to bring additional girls, correct? A Yes. Q How far in advance would call you to make appointments? A It depends. Sometimes she would call me a few days in advance. Jeffrey is going to be in town tomorrow or this weekend, have a couple of girls lined up or have a girl lined up. So it would be anywhere between a couple of days to a weekend. Q Okay. Did you ever talk with or did ever tell you anything about what Jeffrey liked to do with the girls? A Absolutely not. We never discussed that. Q Did you ever talk with her about a rumor that you had heard that a girl had intercourse with Jeffrey? A One day I was talking on the phone with and I addressed her with it, asking her OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00223999 30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 about a rumor I heard of a girl sleeping with Jeffrey, having intercourse, and making $1 ,000, and she denied it and said that he doesn't do that kind of thing, he just plays with them. Q Okay. So she said that he didn't have intercourse, he just liked to play with the girls? A That's correct. Q And when you spoke with the police, you said that Jeffrey liked to masturbate in front of the girls but not have sex? A That's correct. Q What led you to believe that? A He just did it. I just learned that Epstein just started masturbating in front of everybody. It was like the new thing for him, and it just started happening and more and more girls were making comments. Q So did know that he was masturbating in front of the girls? A Not that I know of. I didn't say anything and I don't think she had an idea. I think she knew there was playing going on. I don't think she knew of what sort. Q Okay. So she knew that something sexual was going on, but not necessarily what that OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00224000 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 entailed? A Correct. Q Okay. Did Jeffrey or or anyone else who worked for Mr. Epstein ever ask you for proof of someone's age? A Never. Q Did they ever specifically instruct you that you shouldn't bring girls who were under age to the house? A Never. Q And when you spoke with the police department you said that at some point Jeffrey said the younger the better? A That's correct. Q And even after that he never said to you but make sure that they are over 18? A We never discussed age. He never made a comment about age except for that one time about her being too old. He never told me to go find under aged girls, but at the same time never said make sure they are over 18. It was never discussed. Q Okay. All right. I'm going to ask you to step outside for a minute and I will find out OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00224001 32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 if the grand jury has questions. Thank you very much. (Witness exits the Grand Jury Room.) * * * (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) BY Q Ms. I have to remind you that you are still under oath. There were just two follow-up questions. The first one is something that I think you spoke about earlier, but who first asked you to find other girls? A Who first asked me to first other girls? Q Yes. A That would be Epstein. Q Okay. So Jeffrey asked you himself, Jeffrey Epstein himself asked you? A Yes. Q Okay. And then the other question was: Are you currently in contact with anyone who works for Mr. Epstein or himself? A I don't talk to any of the females that I once brought over there. I haven't been in contact with Epstein for years. He tried contacting me a few times. I haven't contacted him back. I refuse OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00224002 33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to talk to him. I refuse to talk to any of the girls that were involved. However, I did live with one of the girls in Orlando for a couple months to a year. I haven't spoken to her in over a year either. Q Okay. So after -- and just so the grand jury has a sense here, we are talking about the 2004 to 2005 period is when you were bringing girls over? A That's correct. Q So since then A I don't -- to be honest with you, I think it was more 2003, Q Okay. A My junior senior year. Q Okay. But anyhow it was a couple of years ago? A Several years ago. Q Okay. Is there any follow up on either of those points? Yes, ma'am. A GRAND JUROR: Was it Jeffrey Epstein himself trying to contact you or THE WITNESS: I don't know if it was him directly. I know that his number showed up OFFICIAL rFPC)RTTNn ,SPIRV CE, LLC EFTA00224003 34 4 6 7 8 9 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 on my house phone. I'm assuming because was there, I'm assuming that she is the one that has been trying to contact me in the past years. Epstein never talked directly to me on the phone. Any other follow up? Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you for coming. (Witness was excused.) CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER I, Paula E. Angelocci, Certified Court Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the transcript is a true and correct transcription of my stenotype notes of the testimony of taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida. PAULA E. ANGEIjpCCI, CSR Certified Court Reporter OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00224004