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Case TAECIDOS8E- EEL TBOOUEA AN O36 Filed@W2ea/22gePaged 38 of 67 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, y PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., February 15, 2012 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 105 | C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 107 1 Q. Did you know that you were under court order to appear in 2 court today? 3 A. Yes, sir, 4 Q. And did you know that a United States — 5 A. Well, there was a subpoena. Q. Did you know that a United States district judge had the power to subpoena you to court today? A. Probably. Q. Well, you're a trained lawyer. You know that the Court can 10 issue a subpoena, correct? 11 A. Yes, sir. A. I believe so, (12 Q. And you were standing in front of Judge Pauley when the Q. And did you understand that the government had prepared an 13 subpoena was served on you on December 20th, is that right? (13 order of immunity that when conferred by Judge Pauley would A. [don't know how to answer that question, I'm sorry. Q. Do you understand what rational behavior is? A. I'm not a psychologist, but yes, I understand you. Q.. And you don't know whether that was a rational thing for you to say or an irrational one? A. I don't know how to answer you. Q. It might have been either one? A. I don't know how to answer you. Q. Okay. And did you further tell the deputy clerk that you would not be testifying today? woo 7 ray oO wWU DWAR OF WH ailad Ne j14 A. The 20th, yes. 14 require you to testify? 115 Q. Okay. So you knew you were under court orderto appear 15 A. No. 16 today, correct? }16 Q. So you had no idea that you were going to receive immunity 17 A. Yes, sir. /17 when you came here to testify today? 18 Q. And you knew that court order was lawful. In other words, |18 A. That's correct, sir. 19 you knew by your training as a lawyer that Judge Pauley hadthe |19 Q. You're represented by counsel? 20 power to issue that order to you, correct? 20 A. Yes, sir and it was -- yes, sir. 21 A. Yes, sir. 21 Q. And it's your testimony -- have you had a chance to meet 22 Q. And yet you told Judge Pauley's clerk that you were not |22 with your counsel? 23. coming today, did you not? 23 A. Yes, sir. 24 A. Yes. 24 Q. Can you point her out? 25 Q. And you would agree with me that that is irrational |25 A. Right to my left. C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 106 |C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 108 1 behavior, is it not? 1 Q. How many times have you met with Ms. Sternheim? 2 MR. OKULA: Objection, objection. 2 A. Six. 3 A. I'm not University of Chicago trained -- 3 Q. And in the six times you met with Ms. Sternheim -- strike 4 MR. OKULA: Objection. 4 that. All those times occurred before today, correct? 5 THE COURT: Sustained as to form. 5 A. Yes, sir. 6 Q. Interesting question. How did you know I was University of 6 Q. And you came into this courtroom today not understanding 7 Chicago trained -- 7 that you were going to be immunized so that you could testify 8 A. I Googled you after the trial. 8 here today? 5s Q. After the trial, is that correct? 9 A. You're correct. 10 A. Yes, sir. 10 Q. Would you agree with me that telling the Court I'm not ray H Q. You didn’t Google me during the trial, is that correct? 11 coming and I'm not going to testify shows a lack of respect for A. No. Yes, you're correct, 12 the judicial process? Q. Okay. Now, Ms. Conrad, can you explain how a person with 13 A, No, not at all. PH ww 14 legal training recognizing that they are under court orderto $14 Q. Can you explain to me your thinking and telling the deputy 15 appear could call a federal judge and say "I'm not coming"? (15 clerk "J will not be coming today"? 16 A. No. 1s A. No. 17 Q. There's no rational explanation for that conduct is there-- |17 Q. Is that because you do not wish to or for some other 1s A. Object -- |18 reason? 19 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. What kind of |19 A. I don't know how to answer you. 20 question is that? 20 Q. What was the reason for your saying to the deputy clerk I 21 MR. GAIR: May I be heard, your Honor? 21 will not be coming today? 22 THE COURT: On this question I'm going to overrule the |22 A. I don't know. 23 government, All right? She can answer that question. |23 Q. Do you know if you had a reason? 24 Q. There's no rational basis for your having stated tothe |24 A. I'm not sure. 25 deputy this moming that you were not coming to court, correct? |25 Q- Do you find yourself at times doing things that you do not ue SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS (27) Page 105 - Page 108 DOJ-OGR-00009240