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Case TASECIOOS8O- EEL TBOOUEA AN o40 Fil@d@W2ea/22gePaged 22 of 67 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., February 15, 2012 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - diract Page 121 | C2FFDAU4 Conrad - diract Page 123 1 Q. Do you regard water as a medication? A. It calms me down. Sure. Q. Besides water, what other medications do you take? A. Tylenol for PMS. Q. Do you take any prescription medication? A. Not at all. Q. At any time in the last, say, two years have you taken any prescnption medication? A, No, sir, Q. Now, did you tell the judge that, after he reminded you that a subpoena had just been served on you on December 20, did 12 you tell the judge, "I reject the subpoena. I reject it and 13 you're going to have to arrest me because nothing is going to 14 change." 15 A, Idon't specifically remember that, but I'm sure I told him 16 that if it's in your record. 17 Q. Would you agree with me thal that is uncommon conduct for 18 an Officer of the Court? 19 A. I'mnotapsychologist, [don't know what common conduct 20 quote-unquote, what your terms mean. wor naw &® ww oe Fo 21 Q. So you're not really in a position to judge whether | 22 something is common or uncommon, correct? 23 A. I'm not a judge, like you just said, 24 Q. And you're not in a position to judge whether something is =) Q. Would your conduct be sane if irrational? A. I'm not going to answer that. Of course not. Insanely? Ts that what you said, sir? THE COURT: Why don't you put another question? Q. Was your conduct in rejecting the subpoena that the judge ordered served on you and saying that you were not going to appear and the judge would have to have you arrested, was that conduct irrational? A. Absolutely not. Nobody wants a subpoena served on them. Q. Now, have you ever witnessed an officer of the court in your career as a lawyer, have you ever witnessed an officer of the court telling a judge that the judge would have to have them arrested because they weren't going to appear as ordered? . I don't know how to answer that. I don't know. Do you know what your own experiences are? . If you're asking if I did it? You just told me I did it. . I'm asking you -- are you able to understand my question? . Yes, but these questions are ridiculous. . Why are they ridiculous? . Pose it again, please. . Can you answer me why -- you just said my questions are ridicelous, What did you mean when you said they were ridiculous? A. How would I know whether an attorney, what another attorney wort nu &® WwW be HEE NH oO VN WON NPP EP EP BP BB Bw NH ow oA Aw oe we Pe FO rie 25 rational or irrational, right? /25 said to another judge? I don't understand your questions. C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 122 | C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 124 1 A. Common knowledge is common knowledge, sir. | 1 Q. Okay. Now, would you agree with me that a good part of 2 Q. Are you in a position to judge whether something is | 2 that hearing on December 20th was about Judge Pauley advising 3 rational or irrational? 3 you that you should get a lawyer. 4 MR. OKULA: Objection, Judge. We're getting into this | 4 A. Yes, sir, I understand the underlying reason why we're 5 rational/irrational. Different people have different ideas | 5 here is not lawyer or lawyer up, whether I did or didn't, it's 6 about it. 6 whether the underlying fact of the verdict. 7 THE COURT: And he's exploring the witness' view of | 7 Q. Did you understand that the hearing on December 20th was to 8 that. Overruled. 8 give you instructions which included instructing you about your 9 A. Can you please say that again, sir? s right toa lawyer? 10 MR, GAIR: Your Honor, can [ask that the court |10 A. I guess partly, sir. 11 reporter read back the question? 11 Q. Okay. And Judge Pauley told you that he would appoint a 12 THE COURT: Madam court reporter, would you kindly |12 lawyer for you if you qualified financially, correct? 13 read back the question for Ms. Conrad? 13 A. I don't recall specifically. I don't recall. 14 (Record read) 14 Q. Well, didn't you -- you don't recall whether the judge told 15 A, In what context, sir? 115 you that you would have to -— that he could only appoint a 16 Q. Inthe context of conduct of a lawyer appearing beforea |16 lawyer if you couldn't afford to hire one yourself? 17 federal judge, do you know what kind of conduct is rational and [17 A, Sir, I don't specifically remember that. 18 what kind of conduct is irrational? 18 Q. Did you say that you didn't have the money to pay for 19 A. Probably, sir. 19 counsel? 20 Q. Was your conduct irrational when you said, "I reject the 21 subpoena. | reject it and you're going to have to arrest me 22 because nothing is going to change"? 23 A. I consider it irrelevant. 24 Q. [beg your pardon? 25 A. Irrelevant, not irrational. 20 A. Oh, I don't recall. 21 Q. Did you have the money to pay for counsel? 22 A. No. (23 Q. Well, let me just ask you to look, there's a big black 24 binder in front of you, and I'm going to ask you about a 25 document in that binder, Exhibit 3. | bive-T -Sevigit SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS (31) Page 121 - Page 124 DOJ-OGR-00009244