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Case TAECIOOS8O- EAU TBOCUEA AN 643 Fil@dW2/e4a/22gePageé 25 of 67 February 15, 2012 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 133 | C2FFDAU4 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., Page 135 Conrad - direct 1 Q. So my question is, did you understand at that moment that | 2 A. She's the only person that I care about whose opinion 2 there was a logical connection between the question Judge | 2 matters to me. 3 Pauley was asking you about your finances and the matter he was | 3 Q. Do you know whether you are a financial success as a 4 discussing with you, that is, appointment of alawyer? | 4 lawyer? 5 A. Yes, sir. 5 A. No, Ihave no idea. It’s a sliding scale. 6 Q. You did understand? 6 Q. How much money did you make as a lawyer the last year you _7+A. Yes, sir, 7 were practicing law? 8 Q. And yet you refused to answer those questions, correct? | 8 A. Could I make? I have no idea. 9 A. At that time. 9 MR. OKULA: Judge, relevance. 10 Q. And in fact, you said your personal finances have nothing | 10 THE COURT; Overruled, 11 todo with this, correct? 11 Q. How much did you make practicing as a lawyer in 2007? 12 A. And had nothing to do with the guilty verdict Irendered |12 A. I wasn'ta practicing lawyer. 13 against your client. 13 Q. What were you doing in 2007? 14 Q. But it did have something to do with what you were being |14 A. Being a suspended lawyer. 15 asked about, that is, your right toa lawyer, correct? |15 Q. How much money did you make in 2006 as a lawyer? j16 A. I guess if that's what it says. 16 A. I don't recall. |17 Q. Now, it turns out that you do have some cash resources? [17 Q. Was it over $4007 j1e A. I'm not discussing my finances in open court, sir. |18 A. An hour? 19 THE COURT: I'm directing you to answer questions that |19 Q, No, $400 total in the year. 20 are put before you. 20 A. Probably, sir. 21 Q. Ms. Conrad, isn't it true that you have cash on hand or |21 Q. Probably. And were you self-employed? 22 money in savings or checking accounts of approximately $12,000? |22 A. Yes, at that time. 23 A. If that's the affidavit of financial statement you received |23 Q. When was the last time you filed a tax return, Ms. Conrad? 24 from my attorney this morning, then that is correct. |24 A. 2008 or 2009, /25 Q. Well, I'm not -- I didn't make any reference to an |25 Q. 2008 or 2009. Didn't you tell the Bar in asworn affidavit C2FFDAU4 Conrad - diract Page 434 | C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 136 | 1 affidavit -- | 1 on February 28th of 2011 that you hadn't been -- the question 2 A. I didn't have to, sir, How else would you know that? = 2 attach your last two years federal and state tax returns the 3 Q. Ms, Conrad, my question for you isasimple one. Doyou 3 answer was none, not applicable, 4 have $12,000 cash on hand? 4 A. Absolutely, because that was the truth. 5 A. Approximately. That has nothing to do with the guilty 5 Q. So you filed atax return in 2009? 6 verdict I rendered against Mr. Daugerdas, your client. 6 A. I filed the document about which you are speaking on 7 Q. And do you also have about $2,000 in stocks and bonds? 7 February 28, 2011. a A. Youcan read my affidavit very correctly, yes. That you | 8 Q, When was the last time you filed a tax return? 9 received this morning. 9 A, Either 2008 or 2009. I'm not sure. 10 Q. Is the answer to my question, yes, you do have $2,000? |10 Q. Well, if it was filed in 2009, then your answer to the 11 A. I don't know the exact amount. Approximately. 11 disciplinary committee question would have been untruthful, 12 Q. Soall together you have about $14,000 in eithercash or |12 correct? 13 stocks and bonds, is that correct? 13 A. If you want to parse semantics. 14 A. Correct. Much less than your client. 14 Q. Well, that’s kind of what we do in court, Ms. Conrad. 15 Q. You haven't been a very successful person, have you, |15 MR, OKULA: Objection, your Honor. 16 Ms, Conrad? 16 THE COURT: Sustained. 17 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. 17 MR. GAIR; Sorry, your Honor. My apologies. ig A. I don't know what that means. Ask my mother. 18 Q. Ms. Conrad, do you know whether you gave a truthful answer 19 THE COURT: Sustained as to form. 19 to that question on the disciplinary committee affidavit you 20 Q. Have you been a successful -- have you achieved financial 20 filed on February 28th of 2011? 21 success as a lawyer? 21 A. I believe I did. 22 23 24 25 Page 133 - Page 136 (34) A. Ask my mother. I have no idea. [ don't know what that | 22 means, 23 Q. have to ask your mother whether or not you have achieved | 24 financial success as a lawyer? 25 SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS Q. Now, can you give us an idea, just to go back to finish off this issue, would you characterize yourself by your own standards as a financially successful lawyer? A. I don't know what your question means. DOJ-OGR-00009247