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Case PAE CIOOS8O-EAELITBO CUA A NT O50 FiledW2/e4/22gePaged 32 of 67 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,, February 15, 2012 [C2trdaus —Ss«Gonrad-direct = s—=<“‘<=*ér gE TG «CS «=| CCOnad-direct = =OOC*~=<“‘*‘“‘*‘*«éQ CNS 1 Q. Had it occurred to you when you were telling these lies | 1 that date? 2 that it was an odd way to start service as a juror, tolieto | 2 A. Maybe 25. I'm not really sure. 3. the Court? 3 Q. What was the truthful answer to "What is he retired from," 4 A. Idon't know, 4 ma'am? 5 Q. You don't remember whether it occurred to you or not? | 5 A. Being a businessman. 6 A. It's a weird question, sir. 6 Q. When was the last time he was a businessman? 7 Q. It's a weird answer, ma'am, 7 A. I guess maybe 20 years ago. 8 MR. OKULA: Objection, Judge. & Q. What he was actually retired from was being a criminal, 9 THE COURT: Sustained. Please put aquestion tothe | 9 right? 10 witness. 10 A. Please. 11 Q. Ma'am, was it a deliberate lie? Did you know you were [11 Q. Well -- 12 lying when you said it? 12 A. I don't understand your question. 13 A. Yes. 13 Q. What has your husband done since he left the New Jersey 14 Q. Then the judge asked you "Who are the other members of your |14 penitentiary in 20047 15 household?" You said, "I live with my husband, He's retired |15 A. He's been a very faithful, good husband. 16 at the present time," correct? 16 Q. Has he had a job? 17 A. Yes. 17 A. No. 18 Q. That was true, that you lived with your husband, correct? |18 Q. Did you think that you were misleading the Court by saying, j29 A. Yes, 19 in answer to the question "What is he retired from," "He owns 20 Q. But you never lived with your husband at the address you 20 some bus companies"? 21 had given, correct? 21 A. Owned. 22 A. I didn't give any address on voir dire. 22 Q. That's not what the transcript says. But let's say you 23 Q. You never lived with your husband at your parents' house in |23 said “owned.” Did you think you were misleading the Court when | 24 Bronxville, did you? 24 the judge said, "What is he retired from?" and you said, "He 25 A. No, no, 25 owned some bus companies"? C2trdaus Conrad - direct Page 162 | C2irdauS Conrad - direct Page 164 1 Q. So, you created a false impression that you and your | 1 A. No, of course not. 2 husband owned a house there, correct? 2 Q. That wasn't misleading at all? 3 A. I don't know what the judge's impression was, 3 A, No, 4 Q. You were trying to create a false impression that youand | 4 Q. Did you apply that same standard of what is or is not 5 your husband were homeowners who owned a house and livedin | 5 misleading in acquitting your function as a juror? 6 Bronxville, correct? 6 A. I don't really know what your question means. 7 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. I don't think | 7 Q. My question means you have an idea of what is misleading a there is anything mentioned about a house there. 8 and what is not misleading, right? 9 THE COURT: Overruled. 9 A. Of course. 110 A. I don't know. 10 Q. You think that what you said here about the bus companies 11 Q. You told the juror that he was retired, and the Court said, |11 1s not misleading, correct? 12 "What is he retired from"? 12 A. Notatall. Maybe it's a transcription, "own" or “owned.” 13 A.. Yes, 13 That's it. 14 Q. You said he owned some bus companies? 14 Q. In fact, did you apply that same standard in your mind of 15 A, Bus companies, yes. 15 whatig or is not misleading in evaluating the evidence in this 16 Q. What bus companies does he own? 16 case? 17 A. That was 30 years ago. My husband is 21 years older thani |17 A. Of course we had to, and I had to, and I did. 18 am. Somewhere in Jersey. 18 Q. Then the Court asked you, "Do you work outside the home?" 19 Q. Do you know the name of a bus company? 19 And you answered, "No, I'm a stay-at-home wife," right? 20 A. Chinese ones that explode on I-95. Tdon't know. No, not |20 A. Correct. 21 «really, 21 Q. Then the Court asked you, "Do you have any children,” and 22 Q. You said he owns some bus companies, Did he own any bus |22 you said, "No." 23 companies at the time of the voir dire? 23 A. [should have said that I know of. But no, you're correct. 24 A. Oh, no, no. 24 Q. Then the judge said, “What is the highest level of 25 Q. He had not owned any bus companies for some 30 years before | 25 education you have attained?" inet SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS (41) Page 161 - Page 164 DOJ-OGR- 00009254