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Case TAECIOOS8O- EAU TBOCUEA AN O48 Filed@W2ea/22gePageé 30 of 67 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, y PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL,, ome nw & WY HH PPR wh P Oo 13 14 15 16 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 1? 18 Lo 20 C2trdau5 I'm from there. I live there sometimes. I live at my Bronx address also. Q. Ma'am, my question is, did you say that you lived in Bronxville in order to portray yourself as living in a more affluent community than you actually live in? A. No, not specifically, no. Q. When you said a few minutes ago that the reason that you gave the Bronxville address was because it was a little bit more of an affluent community, that wasn't true? A. My statement was true, but you're twisting it, obviously. | 10 Q. Why don't you tell me why, having sworn to the bar |11 authorities on February 26th that you lived in the Bronx, you | 12 swore to Judge Pauley on March 2nd that you livedin (13 wow nau &w he eH Bronxville. Tellus why. 14 A. Iconsider myself living in both places. /15 Q. Why didn't you tell the Court that you lived both places? 16 A. Probably so I would be more marketable as ajuror. 17 Q. Have you done any jury trials as a Jawyer? 18 A. Nonjury. No, One a few years ago. 19 Q. Why did you want to be more marketable as ajuror? 20 A. Because I knew I could be fair and unbiased. AsIdid 21 mention a few minutes ago, I've been a plaintiffanda | 22 defendant on both the civil and the criminal sides, and] have 23 also represented plaintiffs and defendants on both sides, and =.24 been unemployed, out of the courtroom. And had neverhada | 25 C2frdau5 Conrad - direct Page 154 | C2frdauS Conrad - direct Page 156 1 tax shelter case or experience with tax law, and I knew T could | 1 be an unbiased juror. Q. Because you knew that you could be an unbiased juror, you decided to lie to get on a jury, is that right? A. Probably subconsciously. Q. Subconsciously, Ms, Conrad, you wanted to do something worthwhile, is that right? MR. OKULA: Objection to the form, your Honor, THE COURT: Overruled. A. I don't know how you can characterize "worthwhile." If |10 it's sending a -- rendering a verdict which I felt was just, | 11 then I can agree with you. But if there's something ulterior | 12 to your question, I don't know how to answer that. /13 Q. When you started just then to say "sending a" and then you | 14 stopped, were you poing to say sending a criminal to jail? Is | 15 oan u & Ww bh that what you were about to say? 16 A. No. 17 Q. You wanted to be part of the process, didn't you, ma'am? | 18 A. Sure. 1s Q. You wanted to be part of this process so badly that you | 20 February 15, 2012 Conrad - direct Page 153 | C2frdau5 Conrad - direct Page 155 A. I did not wake up in Bronxville that day, probably not. Q. So you told a deliberate lie that day, correct? A. No. Q. Was it an accidental misstatement? A. No. Q. Was it an oversight? MR. OKULA: Judge, we have been through this several times. THE COURT: Overruled. A. No. I consider myself having two residences. Q. Then why didn't you tell the truth when you were asked that question? A. I did. Q. Did you say, I have two residences and, by the way, I've been on both sides of criminal cases? Did you say that? A. I wasn't asked that, sir. Q. We'll come to that. Did you say that you had two residences? A. No, Q. Did you tell the disciplinary authorities that you had two residences? A. They know. Q. Did you tell the disciplinary authorities in your affidavit that you resided in Bronxville? A. Not in this one. Q. Not in this one. Do you remember that a couple of years before this you were sworn to give a deposition under oath? A. March 24, 2009. Q. You do remember, don't you. A. Yes, Ido. Q. You were asked where you lived, weren't you? A. Probably. Q. You said, truthfully, that you lived on Barker Avenue in the Bronx, didn't you? A. [don't recall specifically. Q. Ma'am, you've lived on Barker Avenue in the Bronx for many years, isn't that true? A. Sure, Q. And every one of your neighbors on the third floor knows who you are, don't they? A. Probably. Q. Because you and your husband are constantly, every day and night, engaged in screaming and fights and insults and threats, right? MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. Relevance. 21 made yourself look like a different juror than you were, 21 THE COURT: Overruled. 22 different person than you were? 22 A. Probably. 23 A. That's not for me to judge, |23 Q. Yeah, probably. The police are there all the time, aren't 24 Q. Can we agree that you lied about where you resided on March | 24 they? las 2nd? 25 A. No. Vliet Ser) SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS (39) Page 153 - Page 156 DOJ-OGR- 00009252