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Case TAECIOOS8O- EAU TBOCUEA AN 44 Filed@2zea/22agePageé 33 of 67 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, y February 15, 2012 PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL,, C2frdauS Conrad - direct Page 165 | C2frdau5 Conrad - direct Page 167 1 A. Sir, are we still on 203? 1 Q. Because you suspected that it would stop you from getting 2 Q. Yes. 2 onthe jury, you made a deliberate decision, having sworn an 3 A. Allright. 3 oath to tell the truth, you made a deliberate decision to lie 4 Q. Actually, it goes over to 204. 4 to this Court? 5 A. OK, thank you. Yes. 5 A. I don't know if I was sworn at that point, but I did not 6 Q. Did you have any trouble understanding the question that | 6 reveal the fact that I had a JD and was an attorney. 7 Judge Pauley asked you? 7 Q. No, no, that's not the question I asked. The question I 8 A. Not at all. 8 asked is, did you make a deliberate decision to lie to the 9 Q. Did you know that Judge Pauley was going toask you that | 9 Court? 10 question or something very like it? |10 A. Are we getting into the semantics of omissions again? 11 A. Yes, because the prior day the same questions were asked of |11 Q. Did you make a deliberate decision to lie to the Court 12 the other potential jurors. |12 about your highest level of education? 13 Q. When did you make the decision about how you were goingto 13 A, Yes. 14 answer that question? Was it right then when he asked youor 14 Q. Did you do that because you believed that otherwise you 15 was it before then? 15 would not be permitted to be on this jury? 16 A. I think it was during the break between the two days. 16 A, Yes. 17 Q. Can you remember how you reached the conclusion that you 17 Q. So it was your idea to thwart the voir dire process by 1s should tell a lie in answer to that question? 1g telling the Court something that wasn't true about your ‘19 A. Because I knew that anybody witha JD or legal experience 19 background? 20 would be bounced. 20 A, I guess if you want to characterize it that way, 21 Q. That's because there were lawyers who were on trial, right? |21 Q. You said, "I have a BA in English literature in classics 22 A. I don't think the jury knew at that point that there were |22 and I studied archeology abroad," right? 23 attorneys on trial. ['m not sure. I'm not sure. |23 A. Correct. \24 Q. You knew, because Judge Pauley summarized the charges for | 24 Q, Did you remember at that moment that you studied law at the 25 you before the voir dire started, that there were lawyers on |25 Brooklyn Law School? C2frdaus Conrad - direct Page 166 | C2frdau5 Conrad - direct Page 168 1 trial charged with tax fraud in connection with a tax shelter | 1 A. Of course. 2 scheme, didn't you? 2 Q. At any point after you told these lies about your 3 A. Yes, I remember now, yes. 3 residence, about how long you lived there, about your owning 4 Q. Now that you remember, you knew that there's no way thata | 4 your place, about your highest level of education, at any time 5 lawyer would be left on a jury to decide the conduct of lawyers | 5 did you think to yourself, wow, what I just did was wrong? 6 who were being charged with a crime, right? 6 A. Of course I knew it was wrong. 7 A. No, I didn't know that. 7 Q. But did you think to yourself, what I just did was wrong? @ Q. Didn't you just say that? s A. You just asked me that question. 9 A. I didn't know that for a fact. 9 Q. And I'm asking it again because I didn't get an answer. 10 Q. Did you strongly suspect that you would not be allowed to |10 Did you think that? 11 sit on the jury if you revealed that you were alawyer? |11 A. Yes, 12 A. Of course. 12 Q. How many times did you think that? 13 Q. That was connected, was it not, to the fact that there were [13 A. I really don't know, sir. 14 lawyers on trial here, right? 14 Q. Was it present in your mind throughout the trial that you 15 A. No, no. In any jury nobody wants an attorney. A jury |15 had lied in order to get on the jury? 16 trial does not want an attorney sitting as a juror. 16 A. Probably. 17 Q. If you were trying a case as a lawyer, you wouldn't wantan |17 Q. Did you tell other people that you had lied to get on the 18 attorney on your jury either, would you? 1a jury? 1s A. That's incorrect, 19 A. I don't think so, not that I recall. | }20 Q. So you're not included in the “no one" you just referred |20 Q. Did you tell other people that you had concealed things to 21 to? 21 ~~ get on the jury? 22 A, I'mnot sure, 22 A. I don't think so. 23 Q. Didn't you just say no one would want an attorney on their |23 Q. Did you tell other people you were a lawyer? 24 jury? 24 A, Idon't know how to construe your question. But if your 25 A. That generally seems to be the trend, yes. /25 question is did the other jurors know that I was an attorney, Page 165 - Page 168 (42) SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS DOJ-OGR-00009255