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Case lee atiadlmeia Ga -7 1-7 a enaeenaeneel of 67 February 15, 2012 C2frdaus 11 }12 13 j14 15 16 \17 ‘18 ‘19 20 21 22 |23 \24 25 4, oonwaon ww &® WwW C2irdaus UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., Conrad - direct Page 181 A. I was at that time, yes, I was. Q, Now I'd like you to look at Exhibit 21, which is your petition, and specifically paragraph 24 of that petition. This is the petition you filed at the end of February 2011, right? A. February 28, correct. Q. Under oath, You said that you had not been arrested, charged with, indicted, convicted, tried, and/or pleaded guilty to the following violations, misdemeanors, and/or felonies during the period of your discipline, correct? A. Correct. Q. An outright lie, correct? A. Yes. Q. Because you were arrested not once but twice in shoplifting cases, Were you not? A, Yes. Q. You were shoplifting very small items from convenience stores, correct? A. They obviously weren't that convenient. Q. Is there something that you think is funny about these proceedings? A, Not at all. Q. Do you know that you lied your way on to a jury and your conduct could send people to prison? MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. THE COURT: Sustained. Conrad - direct Page 182 Q. Why did you steal envelopes and newspapers and greeting cards from a convenience store? A. I didn't. It was a bag of shrimp. Q. So, if the indictment said that you were stealing greeting cards, you never stole any greeting cards, you only stole a bag of shrimp? A. Yes, Sir. Q. In both cases, did you steal two bags of shrimp, one in each store? . I don't recall what the other one was. Why did you steal a bag of shrimp? I was drunk. Was that during the period of your abstinence? . The question sort of doesn't make sense, right? Do you even remember what you stole from the other store? . It might have been a videotape. . The whole venire was asked questions at jury sélection about whether or not they had ever been arrested for or convicted of a crime, correct? A. I remember, correct, Q. You knew at the time that that question was asked that the truthful answer was that you had been arrested and convicted of crimes, correct? A. Yes, Q. You had been arrested and convicted for driving under the OPO>PO>O> Page 181 - Page 184 (46) C2frdau5 Conrad - direct Page 183 1. influence, correct? 2 A. 1997? 3 Q, In April of 1998 you were convicted of DUI, correct? 4 A. That was the second one, yes, sir. 5 Q. Inthe first incident you were charged not only with DUI 6 but with assault, correct? 7 A. Either the first or the second. I'm not sure, 8 Q. Inthe one where you were charged with assault, who did you 8 assault? A. I believe I punched the cop in his stomach. But that was dropped. Q. That conviction for DUI that involved an arrest for assault, resisting arrest, harassment, and leaving the scene of the accident, do you think that would have been something that was responsive to Judge Pauley's question about arrests? A. Yes. Q. Did you make a deliberate decision to lie about that? A. Lomitted deliberating, yes. 19 Q. That's the same as a lie, right? 20 A. If it has to be folded into that characterization. 21 Q. In your mind, in your norms, does that have to be folded 10 il 12 13 14 15 16 17 16 22 into that characterization? 23 MR. OKULA: Objection to the form, your Honor. 24 THE COURT: Overruled. (25 A. Yes. C2trdauS Conrad - direct Page 184 1 Q. So, you lied about that first arrest and conviction, and | then you lied by not revealing that you had another arrest and conviction in September of 1998, correct? A. Oh, no. It was I believe April of '98 was the second DUI. Q. So you had two DUI convictions? A. Yes, sir. Q. You also had a conviction for aggravated harassment, correct? A. Yes. Q. And criminal contempt? A. I believe so. Q. That was because you had violated the protection order and you were threatening a romantic rival? A. Tt was phonecalls. Q. You were threatening her over the phone? A. Correct, Q. Would you say that that was rational behavior? A. Not when one is drinking. Q. It's not even rational when one is not drinking, correct? A. Ican't be the judge of that. Q. Did you think that you should have revealed that answer in tesponse to the Court's question? A. Yes, Q. You made a deliberate decision not to do so, correct? A. Yes. oonrnun&® Ww BH Ee NoHo 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 rr /23 in (25 SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS DOJ-OGR-00009259