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Case E2GGFDORSE PME BOCANGEL es of 67 February 15, 2012 C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct Page 205 1 Q. You also say that you fought the good fight, correct? | 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. And that was your way of telling Mr. Okula that you were fighting for his side. A. Not necessarily. After all of the evidence and deliberations, the jury felt that we reached a fair verdict. Q. I'm not asking about the jury, I'm asking about your writing “I fought the good fight." That was your way of telling Mr, Okula that you were fighting for his side. io A, At one point. 11 Q. And when you say you threw in the towel, I take it that's 12 also asports image? 13 A. I can't answer that. 14 Q. At some point you stopped fighting the good fight. is A. Meaning? 16 Q. That's when you threw in the towel, 17 A. That was probably an incorrect way to describe the taking 18 into consideration all of the evidence at the end of the day, 19 Q. What did you call it? An odd way? A what sort of way? 20 A. I said at the end of the day, ry 5 6 7 8 3 21 Q. You said some sort of way, improper way? I couldn't 22. remember the objective. 23 MR. GAIR: Incorrect. 24 Q. An incorrect way. That was an incorrect way of saying it. 25 A. Maybe I said improper, I'm not sure. C2FFDAUB Conrad - direct Page 206 1 Q. So when you said you fought the good fight and you've thrown in the towel that was just an incorrect way of saying you were unbiased. over, Q. When you say numbers don't lie, what numbers were you referring to? A. From Dr. DeRosa, the expert. Q. His numbers. A. Sure, and, to not get specific, but the lack of economic substance in the transactions. Q. So that's what you were referring to, Mr. Parse's knowledge of the lack of economic substance in the transactions? A. No. Not at all. Q. So what is it you were referring to? A. It was one component of the whole big picture. Q. Isee. Now, I think you told us earlier today you were asked whether your husband is a convicted felon, and you said so are most lawyers. And lots of people laughed. Do you 20 remember saying that? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. And was that being, I think your word is smart a-s or smart oeowwtna wi & Ww & He HP HY HY PH BP Pp EP wat oauwhwuwvy eto 23 A-blank-blank? 24 A. Sure. Mr. Gair was asking me things about my husband that 25 I'm finding out right now today. Page 205 - Page 208 (52) A. At the end of the day after all the evidence was pored | UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, vy PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., C2FFDAUS Conrad - direct — Page 207 1 Q. Well, you knew most of that stuff, 2 A. I don't even know if I knew most of it. 3 Q. You knew when you married him that he just finished a seven 4 anda half year sentence, 5 A. We got married three years after he finished his sentence. 6 7 8 3 Q. And you knew he was unemployed. A. Yes, Q. And you knew he hadn't owned a bus company since 25 years? A. About that. Q. And so when you said today “so are most lawyers," that was just smart ass. A. Sure. Q. And when you were asked and the jurors were asked whether you had any unpleasant experiences with lawyers, accountants, financial planners, you didn't raise your hand on that question or in voir dire, did you? A. That's correct, Q. And you had had unpleasant experiences with lawyers, hadn't you? A. I don't know what you mean. Q. Well, I mean, two of them referred you to the Bar Association for disciplinary action. A. [don't look at it that way, sir. Q. That was a pleasant experience? A. It's just an experience, I don't have my endorphins go 10 11 12 13 }14 jas 16 17 |18 19 20 21 |22 23 24 25 C2FFDAU6 Conrad + direct Page 208 1 wild over it, so I don't really know what you're getting at. 2 Q. So you didn't feel you had any obligation to tell the Court 3 when the Court asked whether you had any unpleasant experiences 4 with lawyers that two had referred you to the disciplinary 5 committee, that the disciplinary committee brought charges 6 7 8 3 against you and that a panel of judges, indeed two panels, right, suspended you? A. A job's a job, sir. That's how I see it. Q. So you didn't think you had any obligation to tell the Court any of that because a job's a job. A. I don't think that was your original question, but -- that was another omission, sir. Q. That was an omission? A. Yes. Q,. Now, I take it that one of the things we've learned today, Ms. Conrad, is that all of your omissions and lies, whatever you call them, were done to make you more marketable as a juror, is that correct? A, Those were my wards. 20 Q. And that would be correct, right? 21 A. That's what said. Whether it was correct or not, that's 22 not for me to decide. /23 Q. No, that's totally for you to decide. Are those words 24 accurate? Were you trying to be a more marketable juror? 25 A. I said this, yes. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS Viv iyvt DOJ-OGR-00009265