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Case TAECIOOS8E- PEUTIC NE GS Filed@2z/e4a/22gePage 47 of 67 February 15, 2012 C2trdau7 Conrad - cross Page 221 MR. OKULA: Let me have one moment, your Honor, Q. Ms. Conrad, a few more questions. I'm sorry. Are you ready? A. Yes, Q. At the time that you were selected to serve as a juror in this case, your status was a suspended New York attorney, correct? A. Yes. Q. You were not working, correct? A. Correct. Q. Is it fair to say that even though the daily witness fee that you received for your service was rather meager, it was not irrelevant to you in your service as a juror? A. Yes, that's correct. Q. After all, you were basically out of work, correct? A. Yes. Q. You referred earlier during Mr. Gair's questioning toa motivation that you had in the form of intellectual curiosity with respect to tax shelters, is that correct? MR. GAJIR;: Objection to the form of the question, your Honor. MR. OKULA: I'll rephrase it, your Honor, THE COURT: All right. woorwrtoauw ts WwW WH He i10 |i \12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Q, You remember in Judge Pauley's initial instructions he 25 described in general terms the subject matter of the case, in C2frdau7 Conrad - cross Page 222 particular tax charges, correct? A. Yes. Q. You heard certain things about tax shelters in the introductory instructions, correct? A, Vaguely. Q. Is it correct that the subject matter of the case was of some interest to you when you were answering questions during voir dire and considering your motives for serving on the jury? A. Yes, it piqued my curiosity. I had no experience ever with tax work, Q. Had you ever sat as a juror in a federal criminal case before? A. No. Q. Was one of your motivations a desire to see a trial through with this complexity from beginning to end? A. Partially. Q. One final question, Ms. Conrad. Is it correct that you waited until Judge Pauley told you it was appropriate for you to begin your deliberations and the consideration of the evidence based on his instructions, and that's what guided your verdict in this case? A. Yes. MR. OKULA: I have nothing further, Judge. THE COURT: Redirect examination, Mr. Gair. REDIRECT EXAMINATION wowrtnn & wh He ra Ho NNN N NH NP PHY HP PRP PP nr WwnrP ow Oat Hi ew Page 221 - Page 224 (56) UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., Conrad - redirect Page 223 C2frdau7 BY MR, GAIR: Q. Can you explain to us how it is you can remember the substance of many specific jury instructions that you received 84 months ago when you cannot remember things that you said to Judge Pauley on December 20th when you appeared in this court? A, Because I'm familiar with the PJI and they are sort of basically the same IN state court as in federal court. Q. Did you have any trouble understanding my questions when I was asking you questions earlier? A. To which are you referring? 11 Q. Any of them. 12 A. I don't have the transcript written in my head. 13 Q. You certainly didn't have any trouble with Mr. Okula's 14 questions, correct? 15 A. He's pretty straightforward. 16 Q. You didn't find anything that Mr. Okula said that you 17. disagreed with, correct? is A. Correct. 19 Q. Did you know what Mr. Okula was going to ask you today? 20 A. No, I don't. This is the first time I've ever actually 21 spoken to Mr. Okula. 22 Q. Mr. Okula asked you about whether or not you wanted to sec 23 through this trial as a juror, Do you remember that question? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. You did, right? won na oe Ww NH re o C2frdau7 Conrad - redirect Page 224 A. Yes. Q. You did that in the context of just a day or two before the trial having filed a petition for readmission or reinstatement to the bar, is that correct? A. That's the correct chronology, yes. Q. You believed that by seeing through this trial, by serving as a juror for a lengthy trial, you could help demonstrate your stability to the bar authorities, correct? A. No. It's apples and oranges. The two thoughts never crossed, Q. Never occurred to you once that seeing this through might | be something that would be helpful to you with the bar authorities? A. Not at all, It was my civic duty. Q. Which part was your civic duty? The part where you lied? A. No, of course not. Q. Mr. Okula asked you some questions about the instructions that Judge Pauley gave you. Do you remember those? A. I remember both. Q. You said that you had followed Judge Pauley's instructions, correct? A. Yes. Q. But the truth is you only followed those of Judge Pauley's instructions that you wanted to follow, correct? A. I don't know what that question means, sir. ray womontwnau fF WwW Ww NHPH HHP HP eH PP ep owos nu PF ww we YP Oo 21 22 23 25 SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS DOJ-OGR-00009269