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Casasé 2k Oreo aiites PAE camel yar a FED ORS ZED 22 Pekepeye 26 f G76 7 February 15, 2012 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct 1 Q. So my question is, did you understand at that moment that | there was a logical connection between the question Judge Pauley was asking you about your finances and the matter he was discussing with you, that is, appointment of a lawyer? A. Yes, sir. Q. You did understand? A. Yes, sir. Q. And yet you refused to answer those questions, correct’? A. At that time. Q. And in fact, you said your personal finances have nothing to do with this, correct? A. And had nothing to do with the guilty verdict I rendered against your client. Q. But it did have something to do with what you were being asked about, that is, your right to a lawyer, correct? A. I guess if that's what it says. Q. Now, it turns out that you do have some cash resources? A. I'm not discussing my finances in open court, sir. 19 THE COURT: Fm directing you to answer questions that 20 are put before you. 21 Q. Ms. Conrad, isn't it true that you have cash on hand or 22 money in savings or checking accounts of approximately $12,000? 23 A. If that's the affidavit of financial statement you received 24 from my attorney this morning, then that is correct. /25 Q. Well, I'm not -- I didn't make any reference to an wow nu Fw Ww HPP pe *& WwW FP SG 15 \16 \17 \18 Page 133 | C2FFDAU4 wont auwu fs we 16 17 18 Lo 20 21 22 23 24 25 643 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., Page 135 Conrad - direct A, She's the only person that I care about whose opinion matters to me. Q. Do you know whether you are a financial success as a lawyer? A. No, Ihave no idea. It's a sliding scale. Q. How much money did you make as a lawyer the last year you were practicing law? A. Could I make? I have no idea. MR. OKULA: Judge, relevance. THE COURT; Overruled, Q. How much did you make practicing as a lawyer in 20077 A. I wasn't a practicing lawyer. Q. What were you doing in 20077 A. Being a suspended lawyer. Q. How much money did you make in 2006 as a lawyer? A. Idon't recall. Q. Was it over $4007 A, An hour? Q. No, $400 total in the year. A. Probably, sir. Q. Probably. And were you self-employed? A. Yes, at that time. Q. When was the last time you filed a tax return, Ms. Conrad? A. 2008 or 2009, Q. 2008 or 2009. Didn't you tell the Bar in a sworn affidavit C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct affidavit -- A. I didn't have to, sir, How else would you know that? Q. Ms, Conrad, my question for you is a simple one. Do you have $12,000 cash on hand? A. Approximately. That has nothing to do with the guilty verdict I rendered against Mr. Daugerdas, your client. Q. And do you also have about $2,000 in stocks and bonds? A. You can read my affidavit very correctly, yes. That you received this morning. Q. Is the answer to my question, yes, you do have $2,000? | me ood no ® Wf 10 11 A. I don't know the exact amount. Approximately. 12 Q. So all together you have about $14,000 in either cash or | 13 stocks and bonds, is that correct? 14 A. Correct. Much less than your client. 15 Q. You haven't been a very successful person, have you, 16 Ms. Conrad? 17 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. is A, I don't know what that means, Ask my mother. 19 THE COURT: Sustained as to form. 20 Q. Have you been a successful -- have you achieved financial 21 success as a lawyer? 22 A. Ask my mother. I have no idea. [ don't know what that 23 means. 24 Q. Ihave to ask your mother whether or not you have achieved 25 financial success as a lawyer? Page 133 - Page 136 (34) Page 434 | C2FFDAU4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 }12 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS Conrad - direct Page 136 | on February 28th of 2011 that you hadn't been -- the question attach your last two years federal and state tax returns the answer was none, not applicable. A. Absolutely, because that was the truth. Q. So you filed a tax return in 2009? A. I filed the document about which you are speaking on February 28, 2011. Q. When was the last time you filed a tax return? A. Either 2008 or 2009, I'm not sure. Q. Well, if it was filed in 2009, then your answer to the disciplinary committee question would have been untruthful, correct? A. If you want to parse semantics. Q. Well, that's kind of what we do in court, Ms. Conrad. MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. THE COURT: Sustained. MR. GAIR; Sorry, your Honor. My apologies. Q. Ms. Conrad, do you know whether you gave a truthful answer to that question on the disciplinary committee affidavit you filed on February 28th of 2011? A. I believe I did. Q. Now, can you give us an idea, just to go back to finish off this issue, would you characterize yourself by your own standards as a financially successful lawyer? A. I don't know what your question means. DOJ-OGR- 00009926