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C ESRB ARON ORRES EAGAN Dann UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct 1 Q. Okay. | 2 A. I don't live an extravagant lifestyle like Mr. Daugerdas. 19 C2FFDAU4 1 the federal court? A. However that's relevant, but yes. Q. Now, when you were asked back on December 20th if you owned won Hh uw es wh 10 iL 12 13 14 15 16 a? Q. Would you consider that Mr. Daugerdas was a financially successful lawyer? A. Sure, ripping off the government. Q. And would you consider that -- A. And this was only after the trial, might I add. Q. Would you consider -- A. In keeping with the verdict that myself and eleven other jurors rendered against your client. Q. Would you agree with me that you have not been very financially successful as a lawyer? A. Tam fine, thank you. Page 137 | C2FFDAU4 2 3 4 5 6 = Q. Okay, How is it that you're able to pay your $800. a month |14 in rent? 15 A. You got that from the financial affidavit as well this | 16 morning. Yes, From savings, Q. And is that how you pay all your expenses, from savings? A. I don't have a lot of expenses, so, yes. I'm going to need [19 Q. a job soon, I'm sure your office is not going to hire me, but -- 17 18 20 21 Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, when you filled out this affidavit today (22 did you understand that the purpose of this affidavit wasto 23 A. Not specifically. allow the Court to determine whether or not you had the financial need for Ms. Stermheim to be appointed and funded by 24 25 ead FRED ORE ZE 22 Peake pays G26 f G76 7 February 15, 2012 Page 139 Conrad - direct correct? A. I don't recall. Q. And when Judge Pauley advised you that you should get a lawyer, retain a lawyer, you told him, "I'll retain myself or my husband, the convicted felon," is that correct? A. If it's written somewhere I probably said it. I don't specifically recall, sorry. Q. So you don't remember telling the Court that you would either retain yourself or your husband the convicted felon? . Where are you directing me to look at? . I'm asking you if you remember it, ma'am? . Not specifically. Do you have memory problems? . Certainly not. . Certainly not, Never had blackouts, I take it? A. ITremember every day of this trial. Q. Have you ever had a blackout? A. No, And you have no memory problems? A. No, sir, Q. And yet you don't remember telling the Court, “I'll retain myself or my husband the convicted felon"? L>rOro> Q. Is your husband a convicted felon? A. Yes, sir. Conrad - direct any stocks or bonds, you replied to the Court “none of your business." Is that correct? A. If it's in the transcript, I probably said it, sir. I don't specifically recall. Q. First I'm just asking if you remember it. A, No, not offhand, Q. So let's look at the transcript on page 12, You are asked on line 13, "Do you own any stocks or bonds?" And you said to the Court on line 14, "None of your business," Does that refresh your memory that when the Court asked a question about your ownership of stocks and bonds you said "none of your business"? must have said it. Q. But it was the Court's business, was it not? A. That I -- I don't know. Q. Why did you say "none of your business"? A. It's probably what I felt at the time. i8 i9 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Now, when Judge Pauley asked you or instructed you to take Page 138 | C2FFDAU4 ooerwAnuft wh HB 10 i1 12 13 14 is i6 A. Not specifically, but I see it written in front of me, sol |17 18 19 20 21 22 23 the oath so that he could ask you questions about your 24 financial situation, you refused to take the oath, is that 25 Conrad - direct Page 140 Q. Did you remember that on March I and 2nd of 2011 or did you forget? A. Sir, I did not reveal that to the Court. Q. Did you remember it was my question. A. Well, I'm answering part two of your question that's not asked yet, but yes. Q. So you did remember that, right? A. To repeat it a third time, yes. Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, do you remember that at the start of the voir dire in this case Judge Pauley explained the purpose of voir dire? A. I believe so, yes. Q. Do you remember that he explained that voir dire means to speak the truth. Do you remember that? A. Yes, sir, Q. And do you remember that Judge Pauley explained to you and everybody else on the venire that that's precisely what you had just been sworn to do, to speak the truth. A. Veneer, yes. Q. Do you remember that he explained to you that the purpose, the purpose of voir dire was to make sure that we have a jury of citizens who will decide the issues in this case fairly and | impartially and without any bias or prejudice in favor of either side or against either side. Do you remember saying that? voit SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS (35) Page 137 - Page 140 DOJ-OGR-00009927