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CaasPAROAP UB ON mma) a1 FSCS DATOZP ab dtheg 236 e767 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., February 15, 2012 C2frdau5 Conrad - direct Page 185 | C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct Page 187 | 1 Q. When you did you make the deliberate decision not to reveal 1 Q. How did a judge in the Bronx come to nile upon whether or 2 your criminal arrests and convictions? 2 nota warrant was issued by a different sovereign was defective 3 A. Monday, March Ist, I believe was the first day of voir | 3 or not? 4 dire, and I was sitting in the third seat. Judge Pauley | 4 A. Because I was a plaintiff in a personal injury case, and 5 started the questioning the second day, I believe that was | 5 the defense, I guess ran, ran me, for lack of better terms, and 6 Tuesday, March 2nd, with me. It was probably thatevening | 6 they came up with this warrant and they wanted to bring it up 7 between the Ist and the 2nd. 7 at trial, and the judge said it's a defective warrant. 8 Q. You thought that you would get thrown off the jury if you | 8 Q. Isee. So the judge excluded it from evidence, correct? 9 told the truth, right? 9 A. Yes, sir. 10 A. Probably. 10 Q. Did the judge tell you that the warrant -- when was this 11 Q. That's why you lied about it? 11 hearing that the judge did this on? iz A. Yes. 12 A. July 2, 2010. a3 |\14 \25 16 17 18 19 20 21 [22 23 24 25 Q. You also lied in not disclosing the fact that you were |}13 Q. Now -- arrested in Winslow, Arizona, on August 4th of 2007, correct? A, [have no idea what the date was. Q. Do you know that you were arrested ina place called |16 you have reason to believe that there was a warrant for your Winslow, Arizona? A. Yes, where | was -- yes, pretty memorable incident, nght? A. Iremember it, of course. Q. Of course, because you called the police and told them that your husband was beating you, but you ended up being the one who got arrested, correct? A. Yes, sir. C2irdaus Conrad - direct = Page 186 ieee Conrad - direct Page 188 . For disorderly conduct, right? had been issued, did you think that would keep you off this 1 Q 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. You were released on a recognizance bond, correct? 4 A. There was no bond. 5 Q. Do you know what a cognizance bond means? 6 A. know ] was ROR‘d, 7 Q. OR'd? 8 A. ROR‘d. 9 Q. So you were let go on a bond that was simply your promise 10 to appear for the next hearing, correct? 11 A. I'm not sure. 12 Q. Did you appear for the next hearing? 13 A. Oh, no. 14 Q. Have you ever appeared for the next hearing? 15 A. I've never subsequently been in Arizona. 16 Q. So you have never appeared for that next hearing, correct? 17 A, There was a defective warrant. is Q. There was a defective warrant, what does that mean? ig A. I believe there was no date or time or address on it. 20 Q. So you knew a warrant was issued for you? 21 A. Not really. 22 Q. How do you know it was defective if you don't know if it 23. was issued? 24 A, The judge in the Bronx deemed it that. iS uw (Continued on next page) }18 A. Just because | know what happens to people who don't show Q. When you were arrested in Winslow, Arizona, that wasa {19 up for court, but besides that, no physical proof, no. {24 Q. Did you think that that is something that if Judge Pauley 14 A, Somewhere about, 15 Q. Atany time between August 4, 2007 and July 2, 2010, did 17 arrest? 20 Q. So although you did not physically have a copy of the 21 = warrant, you knew that people who do not show up for court get 22 a warrant issued by the Court, correct? 23 A. Yes, sir. 25 knew about it that you had skipped on an OR bond and a warrant J jury? A. I'm not in a position to answer that. Q. Why did you hide it, then? A. | wasn't really thinking about that specific instance. Q. Had you -- when Judge Pauley asked those questions about your being -- you understood what the word "arrest" meant? A. Yes, sir. Q. And you were arrested in August 2007 in Arizona, right? A. If that's the date, yes. oe Do fF Ww HoH Ho Q. Had you forgotten about that incident? A. Of course not. 13 Q. Sodid you make a deliberate decision not to disclose that 14 incident to Judge Pauley? 15 A. No, It was part of the larger decision not to mention any 16 of the arrests, sir. 17 Q. Now, you recall that Judge Pauley also asked whether 18 anybody's spouse or family, close family member had any arrests 19 orconvictions. Do you recall that? 20 A. He addressed the chosen pane] that was sitting there, yes, 21 correct. 22 Q. And you understood that that included you. 23 A. And my husband, 24 Q. You understood that you were being asked has your husband 25 ever been arrested or convicted. vr N ist SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS (47) Page 185 - Page 188 DOJ-OGR-00009939