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CaasPAROAP UB ON ee EGS] | FeSO DATOZP ab dtheg® St e767 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v February 15, 2012 PAUL M, DAUGERDAS, ET AL., \C2FFDAUS Conrad - direct Page 189 | C2FFDAU6 Conrad ~ direct Page 191 A. I understood that, sir. Q. And did you know in March of 2011 that your husband had been in fact arrested and convicted a number of times? A. Yes, Sir. 1 voir dire commenced a year ago on March 1, because that was his 2 birthday. 3 Q. Now, another question that was asked of the whole panel was 4 whether you or a close relative had ever been involved in or Q. And did you know that he had been sentenced to prison in | 5 appeared as a witness in a variety of types of investigations 6 7 8 9 1980 for receiving stolen property? A. No, not 1980. including investigations by licensing authorities. A. Yes, sir. And in retrospect, I should have mentioned the Q. Did you know that in 1981 he had been convicted of disciplinary committee proceeding. I didn’t just connect the possession of a controlled substance? two at that time. And that was obviously a pertinent issue 1o A. Sir, I don't know the dates. I thought it was in the '70s. |10 that should have been raised. j12 I'm not sure. 11 Q. Isee. So on March Ist or 2nd, you didn't think about the 12 Q. Did you know that he had been convicted of a probation |12 fact that you'd participated in a disciplinary proceeding? 13 violation and of making terroristic threats? 13 A. Please say it again. 14 A. That might have been '93. Vaguely Iremember. |14 Q. When you were testifying as a juror, potential juror here 15 Q. Did you know that he'd been indicted for check fraud and {15 on March | and 2nd, you weren't thinking about the fact that wor aue wb 16 unlawful possession of weapons? 16 you had participated in disciplinary proceedings? 17 A. That was in Manhattanville, Kentucky in like 1976 when he |17 A. No. I thought about testifying in my mind about having my 18 tried to board an airplane with a gun. 18 personal injury case and more along those lines. No, it didn't ‘19 Q. So that’s not the incident in August of 1985 in New Jersey? |19 occur to me. 20 A. Sir, 1 was ten years old probably then. I don't know. I |20 Q. Even though you had filed your petition for reinstatement a 21 can't tell you. 21 day or two before that? 22 Q. Was he indicted a second time for receiving stolen property |22 A. I just didn't look at it that way. 23 and burglary? 23 Q. You believed that by serving on this jury you could get j24 A. Sir, I don't know, 24 some measure of vindication for yourself, didn't you? 25 Q. Didhe get 18 months in prison in 1993 for harassment, 25 A. Not at all. Vindication for what? C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct Page 190 | C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct Page 192 | 1 burglary and terroristic threats? 1 Q. You believed that you could somehow vindicate yourself as 2 A. I don't know, 2 having done something worthwhile after a career that was in 3 Q. Did you know that he was convicted for auto theft and | 3 disgrace at that point? 4 served, got a ten-year prison sentence for that? 4 A. Are you trying to say that serving three months on a jury 5 A. No. Seven years, seven months. 5 is akin to some sort of penance? I don't understand really | 6 Q. Served seven years and seven months, 6 what you're trying to tell me. It was my civic duty, which I 7 A. Paroled out, yes. 7 performed to the best of my capability and ability and I 8 Q. Did you know him while he was in prison? 8 believe I did it fairly, justly and unbiased. 9 A. No. 9 Q. Was it your civic duty to perjure yourself in this court? 10 Q. You met him afterwards? to A. It's nobody's. 11 A. Yes, sir. 11 Q. So you didn't really do your civic duty, did you? 12 Q. And he disclosed his criminal history to you? 12 A. Ofcourse. Rendering the just verdict in an unbiased 13 A. Yes. 13 fashion, I certainly did. 14 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor, to marital |14 Q. If you were on trial for a crime, would you want to know 15 communications. 15 that one of the jurors who was judging the credibility of 16 THE COURT: I'll sustain any further inquiry along |16 witnesses and had your fate in his or her hands had perjured 17 that line. 17 themselves repeatedly at voir dire? Would you want to know 18 Q. And you concealed your knowledge about your husband's [18 that? 19 criminal career in order to make sure that you would get a seat |19 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor, 20 on this jury, is that correct? 20 THE COURT: Overnuled., 21 A. Yes, I concealed his career. 21 A. Probably not, if 1 was a good criminal. 122 Q. Does your father work for the Justice Department right now? |22 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, this would be a good place to 23 A. Yes, sir. 23 break, 24 Q. How old is he? 24 THE COURT: Allright. We're going to take a 25 A. On March | he'll be 80. And I remember specifically that |25 ten-minute recess and then we'll reconvene and endeavor to | —— Page 189 - Page 192 (48) SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS DOJ-OGR-00009940