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CaasPAROAP UB ON SE 6GO FSCS DATOZP ab dtpegé Mat e767 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., February 15, 2012 C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct Page 201 1 been convicted of Count One and that a person should not have 2 been convicted of Count One? Do you see the contradiction 3. there? 4 MR. OKULA; Objection, Judge. Those are not the 5 facts. iP THE COURT: Yes, sustained. 7 Q. Now, in the letter, in the letter you say -- by the way, 8 did you choose the stamp specially for this letter that you put | 9 on? 1a A. What? 11 Q. Did you choose the stamp that you put on the letter 12 specially? 13 A. I don't know what you're talking about. 14 Q, Well, do you see the copy of the envelope? 15 A. That was, that was the eternity stamps or something like 16 that. 17 Q. Do you see -- is A, Oh-- 19 Q. Do you see what the stamp says? 20 A. Sorry. You're going a little too far here, Mr. Gair, j21 Q. I'm just asking you if you chose that stamp specially. | 22 A. I'm sure I didn't. 23 Q. So you didn't have any other stamps, this was just one that 24 was laying around? 25 A, A book of stamps is a book of stamps, sir. C2FFDAUS Conrad - direct Q. Now, in the letter in the second paragraph, you say, "I thought that you, Miss Davis and Mr. Hernandez did an outstanding job on behalf of our government." Do you see that? A. Yes, sir, Q. Is there anything unusual that you see with your knowledge of English literature in that sentence? MR. OKULA: Objection to the form, your Honor, T don't know what that means. THE COURT: Overruled. Okay. Did you capitalize the word "our"? Oh, yes. And did you capitalize the word "government"? Yes, . 1s it your opinion that in that sentence “our government" 1S a proper noun? A, Government is. Q. Is “our government" a proper known? A, I don't know. Q. You capitalized it not because you believed it was a proper noun, but because you wanted to emphasize that you were talking about his government and your government, correct? A. You're slanting that. No. Q. Well, I didn't use the word "our government" and I didn't capitalize it. Why did you do it? A. Idon't know. oon uv & WY HH rPeHR woH oO PPRPRHPE UO W & Ww OPrOFrO + H ao is 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 202 | C2FFDAUE C2FFDAUG6 Conrad - direct 1 Q. Did you believe that Mr. Brubaker was an idiot? A. Yes. Q. Did you believe Mr. Parse was just stupid? A. For the backdating, yes. Q. And do you believe that there's really no reason for this | hearing to be undertaken at all because these people are just fricken crooks and it doesn't matter? A. Is that a question? Q. Yes, it is. A. Well, the answer is no. Q. Did you tell the Court that you thought this was all ridiculous on December 20th because these people are fricken crooks? A. I'm not sure, MR. GAIR: May I have a moment, your Honor? THE COURT: Yes. Take your time. Q. Were you suspended in the Southem District of New York? A. Sure. | must have been. Yes. 19 Q. Did you know you were suspended in the Southern District of 20 New York when you testified at voir dire? 21 A. Yes. Yes. Page 203 wow nw & WwW Nh ay a 11 12 13 14 +5 16 17 18 22 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, | would move the admission of 23 several exhibits. PMD 1, 24, 25, 26 and 45. 24 MR. OKULA: No objection, your Honor. 25 THE COURT: allright. PMD Exhibits 1, 24, 25, 26 and Conrad - direct Page 204 1 45 are received in evidence. 2 (Exhibits PMD 1, 24, 25, 26 and 45 received in 3. evidence) 4 MR. GAJR: Nothing further, your Honor. Thank you. 5 THE COURT: Mr. Okula. 6 MR. OKULA: | didn't know if there were any other 7 defense lawyers who intend to question. 8 THE COURT: Any other defense counsel wish to inquire? 9 MR. ROTERT: Thank you, your Honor, no inquiry for | 10 Ms, Guerin. 11 THE COURT: Mr. Schectman? 12 MR. SCHECTMAN: Briefly, Judge. 13 THE COURT: Go ahead. 14 DIRECT EXAMINATION 15 BY MR. SCHECTMAN: 16 Q. Ms. Conrad, could you look at your letter to Mr. Okula 17. again, Government Exhibit 1, I believe. as A. Number 7, correct? 19 THE COURT: PMD 7. 20 Q. PMD 7. Do you have that? 72. (A:. Yes, Sit: 22 Q. And I think your testimony was thal as you sil here today 23 you don't recall why you capitalized “our government," is that 24 correct? 25 A. Yes, uli TpRRe SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS (51) Page 201 - Page 204 DOJ-OGR-00009943